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Post by zenseeker on Nov 5, 2003 4:11:36 GMT -5
Jagr is the essence of what the wrong kind of player can do to a team sport. It has been devastating enough watching this team the last few years play with no heart, on an all too consistent basis. Jagr is the epitome of all i despise in a hockey player he has tones of talent yet he has absolutely no heart and his selfishness knows no bounds. I could not see BG acquiring a player that sticks his nose at exactly what BG stood for his whole career.
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Post by Doc Holliday on Nov 5, 2003 12:48:08 GMT -5
According to TheGuy over at HABFANS, Demers just added fuel to this rumor by saying it's a 3 way thing with Colorado...
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Post by Bob on Nov 5, 2003 14:07:59 GMT -5
According to TheGuy over at HABFANS, Demers just added fuel to this rumor by saying it's a 3 way thing with Colorado... If it's a 3-way thing with Colorado, I hope the Avalanche wind up with Jagr and not us. |
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Post by Rimmer on Nov 7, 2003 12:18:58 GMT -5
here's an article from a slovakian hockey site regarding this trade rumour: hokej.point.sk/spravy/?clanok=25301what's disturbing in this article is a quote from Jagr's personal trainer Marian Jelínek. he confirms Habs proposed an offer for Jagr (doesn't say what the offer was) and says that the decision is now McPhee's. I really hope the speculations of us offering Saku and PB for Jagr aren't true. R. p.s. there's a slight chance I might have misinterpreted the article as it isn't my native language. |
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Post by HABSLAND on Nov 7, 2003 12:54:26 GMT -5
I thnik for once, if we have a chance to get a superstar, we really should, lets make it a pure hockey decision, he doesn't like it in Washington maybe Montreal will be better for him.
He is still in my mind the most dangerous player in the league, why not give it a try. He's got a big contract but if the Caps eat up some amount, its not that bad of a deal.
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Post by MTLMan on Nov 9, 2003 11:15:36 GMT -5
This was posted today on Spectators
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RANGERS & CAPS TALKING ABOUT JAGR?
NY POST: Larry Brooks reports sources claiming Washington Capitals owner is willing to do whatever it takes to rid himself of Jaromir Jagr and the remaining $55 million on his contract. Apparently he'll "eat" between $4-$5.5 million per season of the $11 million he'll make this year and the next four seasons if the NY Rangers will take Jagr off his hands. Brooks claims the two teams have held discussions over the past ten days, but what's staying GM Glen Sather's hand is the risk that Jagr could grow as disenchanted with New York as he was in Pittsburgh and now with Washington, as well as his large salary. Sather may wish to wait until the Caps feel pressured to buy out Jagr (at $45 million) and then the Rangers GM could sign him to a short-term contract.
Spector's Note: Reading Brooks's article I'm amazed at the change in his tone since the summer. Back then, he dismissed the rumours of the Caps and Rangers talking trade over Jagr, but now he claims they've been in "regular communication". Obviously Jagr's claims of nearly being dealt to the Rangers last summer changed his mind. Anyway, I agree with his assessment that it seems more likely the Caps might decide to cut their losses and buy out Jagr, as dumping him via trade appears remote at best.
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So would you guys still not want Jagr if Washington will eat 1/2 of his salary?
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Post by Bob on Nov 9, 2003 12:25:38 GMT -5
So would you guys still not want Jagr if Washington will eat 1/2 of his salary? No... it would still be $5.5 million per year. And it doesn't change the fact the Jagr would buy into Julien's team first approach. We might score more goals, but as Washington has learned, it doesn't translate into more wins. |
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Post by MTLMan on Nov 9, 2003 15:02:43 GMT -5
No... it would still be $5.5 million per year. And it doesn't change the fact the Jagr would buy into Julien's team first approach. We might score more goals, but as Washington has learned, it doesn't translate into more wins. We are not Washington. So we don't know for sure how Jagr would perform in Montreal. And spending 5.5 million on a guy that could score 50 goals and have over 100 points is worth the risk. Christ we are spending 3 million on that tool Rivet. So if we can dump Rivet or Perrault to the Rangers (for example) and get Jagr for chump change then we would only be out of pocket 2 million for Jagr. Seems like a simple decision to me. |
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Post by Thomas on Nov 9, 2003 15:51:06 GMT -5
Jagr would be a nice addition to the Habs, were missing that goal scoring talent, but his behaviour is what would stop me from aquiring him. I wouldnt want Jagr around our prospects once they graduate to the NHL. He shows little effort when hes on the ice, as witnessed when we played Washington a few weeks ago. He caused several offsides because he was too lazy to skate out of the offensive zone and let the puck back in. He doesnt seem to be the type of player that would buy into a defensive system as well. He may have the talent, but I just dont see him fitting into the teams plans.
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Post by blaise on Nov 9, 2003 21:34:24 GMT -5
Jagr wouldn't exert himself in Montréal. What for? No real Cup contender, no realistic chance of a scoring title with the present personnel. He'd just clock in, take his bloated salary, and clock out. Besides, it would be constantly necessary for Julien and Gainey to baby him.
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Post by MTLMan on Nov 9, 2003 22:48:24 GMT -5
Jagr wouldn't exert himself in Montréal. What for? No real Cup contender, no realistic chance of a scoring title with the present personnel. He'd just clock in, take his bloated salary, and clock out. Besides, it would be constantly necessary for Julien and Gainey to baby him. You don't know what Jagr would do here. There were many years in Pittsburgh he wasn't competing for the cup but he still put up the numbers. I believe that if we have scoring we could be the Anaheim of last year. We have goaltending, we apparently have defence, but what we never seem to have is goals. Jagr could help fill that void which would in turn give confidence to the rest of the team. If we are down by 2 goals the team might know that it is still possible to win. I'm sure in the locker room now if we are behind by 2 or 3 they feel like we already lost. Jagr would be a nice addition to the Habs, were missing that goal scoring talent, but his behaviour is what would stop me from aquiring him. I wouldnt want Jagr around our prospects once they graduate to the NHL. He shows little effort when hes on the ice, as witnessed when we played Washington a few weeks ago. He caused several offsides because he was too lazy to skate out of the offensive zone and let the puck back in. He doesnt seem to be the type of player that would buy into a defensive system as well. He may have the talent, but I just dont see him fitting into the teams plans. Part of his behaviour in Washington is because he wants out. There have been many, many other games when he is unstoppable. He obviously won’t be a role model for too many young guys but you can’t assume that all our prospects will act like him just because he is on the team. With regards to our defensive system I don’t think you acquire a guy like Jagr or CZERKAWSKI for their defence. Some offensive players need more freedom than other players to allow for their creative natures. But you are right that he doesn’t fit into our plans, most games it looks like we are playing for the 0 – 0 tie. |
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Post by Montrealer on Nov 10, 2003 13:04:03 GMT -5
I would love to see him just because the guy can be so exciting with the puck. So he's not the greatest defensive player, I would gladly buy tickets to see #68 line up with Koivu and Zed any day.
He's poison in Washington but still manages almost a point a game. He would still be our #1 offensive threat, and imagine what Saku could do with a winger like that. Not a bad idea the more I think about it....
I mean, Lafleur wasn't exactly the holier-than-thou team player everyone seems to remember, from what I've read about his actions behind the scenes.
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Post by blaise on Nov 10, 2003 15:58:35 GMT -5
His salary would be indigestible and the Caps would want value in return.
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Post by BadCompany on Nov 14, 2003 9:46:28 GMT -5
What if Jagr is just a throw-in? Use the Capitals desire to get rid of him, to get something we really need or want. A massive, team altering deal.
How about:
Jagr, Zubrus, Doig, Ouellet
for
Rivet, Garon, Audette, Ribeiro
We take on Jagr's $11 million, but give up Rivet's $3 million (over 4 more years) and Audette's $3 million (over 2 more years). So in we would only be adding $5 million to our payroll, over the next 2 years. And maybe we can get the Capitals to eat $2 million or so.
The Capitals save $5 million over the next 2 years (less if they eat some salary) and then make a huge saving for the rest of contract after that.
Player wise, the key to the deal (for me anyways) is Zubrus. We get (back) that young, big, fast forward who isn't afraid of the dirty stuff. We also get a big, fast, and physical defenseman in Doig, to replace Rivet (and they both shoot right), a goalie prospect to replace Garon, and of course, an elite game breaker in Jagr.
The Caps dump salary, but they get some youth in return. Garon can replace Kolzig (when they deal him to Colorado, further reducing their payroll) and is more advanced and ready that Ouellette. Ribeiro is a stop gap solution, but might click with Bondra. Rivet is a still youngish defenseman, who could provide a veteran presence is the Caps decide to deal Gonchar and go for a full rebuild. Audette... well. He's still a throw-in. The Caps definitely lose out on the talent department, but they do get some decent players, and they are the ones desparate to get rid of Jagr, after all.
With this trade, we would still be taking on a lot of salary, but Jagr wouldn't be the "only" part of the deal. And we wouldn't be taking on as much as one would think. If Jagr doesn't work out, we still have Zubrus, Doig and Ouellette, and all it cost us was Ribeiro and Garon.
Then, our lines could look like this:
Ryder - Koivu - Jagr
Bulis - Zubrus - Zednik (the "Capital Line")
Hossa - Juneau - Sundstrom
Langdon - Kilger - Begin
(Perreault, Dackell)
Souray - Brisebois
Markov - Doig
Hainsey - Quintal
(Bouillon)
Theodore, Fichaud (or Ouellete)
Breakdown:
Jagr for Audette: Clear win for Montreal, but Washington saves $5 million in the total deal
Zubrus for Ribeiro: Clear win for Montreal, but Ribeiro's upside is still being determined
Ouellete for Garon: Clear win for Washington, but Ouellette's upside is still being determined. Frees up Washington to further cut salary by dealing Kolzig (for Tanguay?).
Doig for Rivet: Slight win for Washington. Despite his troubles, Rivet is still a better player than Doig, especially if he returns to last year's form.
Salaries:
Montreal gives up (apx) $8 million, takes on about $13 million (depending on Ouellette's contract)
I'd almost be tempted.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 14, 2003 21:53:56 GMT -5
I would say, no way José.
Jagr will play well when he wants to, or he'll dog it until he ends up with the linemates he wants or the team he wants.
I just have a feeling that this guy would destroy any chance at building any kind of team chemistry. Everything would revolve around him; like it has everywhere else he's played I suppose. Jagr would be THE marketable star in Montreal overnight and we would see his name on every jersey, stick, sweater and product.
Then when the team isn't anywhere near the playoffs in the spring, or if we take an early first-round exit, he'd dog it until we have no choice but to either trade him, or lose him. And of course, we'd see it coming; he's not producing, so we give him new linemates. He's still not producing so now Julien comes under media scrutiny. He's still not producing and with all options exhausted someone, somewhere prints that he wants out of Montreal ... go figure the odds.
Sure, we'd move some players to get him, guys, but the player(s) we'd get either at the trading deadline, or via trade I don't think would off-set the loss.
I don't have a crystal ball, but that's just the way I see this primadonna. Don't get me wrong, he would help improve any team he's on, providing he's happy. But, eleven million a year for a guy who holds himself higher than his colours or his teammates? Not for me guys.
Cheers.
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