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Post by blny on Apr 5, 2014 21:09:46 GMT -5
I left after the Wings tied it at 3. You're welcome! lol
More suspect officiating. The call on Briere against Smith was a whiff. Smith lost an edge, and it wasn't even close. Bouillon gets a questionable hook/hold penalty. On that kill, Datsyuk clearly cross checks a guy behind our net, no call.
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Post by 24in93 on Apr 5, 2014 21:59:36 GMT -5
Great night of hockey. The Habs win and the Loafs and Lightning lose. Can't complain.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2014 22:26:16 GMT -5
Didn't see the game, but how many times this year have we given up a 3-0 lead? Then again, the only game plan against us is to attack the defense.
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Post by blny on Apr 5, 2014 22:37:22 GMT -5
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Post by seventeen on Apr 5, 2014 22:51:59 GMT -5
BostonHabs, do you have the possession numbers for this game? I'd be interested in them, or knowing where to look them up. Shots were 37 -26, though I don't think that represents the scoring chances, but it's still a lot to be outshot by the Grand Rapids Red Wings.
Weaver was +4, which is unusual in itself, though I like Weaver, but the distorting stats are Cube at +3 and Bourque at +2. Anyone out there depending on +/- stats? Have I got a deal for you. Unfortunately, MT will play Cube and Bourque till their legs give out, citing the great game they had the day time before. Sigh.
We continue to win based on very good individual plays. Max's goal is a good example...simply outskating the Wings and scoring on a great shot. I'd rather be lucky than good, but I'd like to have talent too.
I'm liking how Galchy is playing lately. Lots of energy and he keeps making those tough plays. He's also gotten much better at clearing his zone when the puck comes up the boards on his wing. I think he's past the sophomore jinx now, just in time for the playoffs.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Apr 5, 2014 23:09:09 GMT -5
We have a playoff team ... great goaltending, a great first line, a strong defence corps ... and we're getting a few key calls going our way.
We'll need all of those in the playoffs.
Cheers.
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Post by CentreHice on Apr 6, 2014 0:00:26 GMT -5
Didn't see this game....but, again, glad for the 2 pts. and any confidence that may spill into the playoffs. Not over-confidence....just confidence.
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Post by habsorbed on Apr 6, 2014 1:39:19 GMT -5
Although all four lines scored tonight we need more after the DD line. Just don't see any magic with Pleks between the Gals. Much rather see if GEG can't find some of the early season magic and put Pleks back with Gionta and maybe Bourn as a checking line
Vanek has this reputation as being a scorer and everyone is amazed at his passing. Yet when you look at his stats, his first few seasons he was like Max and Kessel with way more goals than assists but his last 4 or 5 seasons he has been an all around point getter with good goal numbers but even more assists. He is a game changer. But we need a second line going!
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Post by jkr on Apr 6, 2014 6:05:13 GMT -5
I left after the Wings tied it at 3. You're welcome! lol More suspect officiating. The call on Briere against Smith was a whiff. Smith lost an edge, and it wasn't even close. Bouillon gets a questionable hook/hold penalty. On that kill, Datsyuk clearly cross checks a guy behind our net, no call. What about Sheahan selling that tap by Bourque with the flying glove. Ref sure fell for that one. Also not happy that Tinordi obviously didn't learn from the benching a couple of weeks ago & made another bad decision that leads to a goal. And why is Boullion playing when Beaulieu is around. He gets a penalty because he can't keep up that leads to a goal. He has to be watching when the playoffs start.
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Post by christrpn on Apr 6, 2014 6:22:17 GMT -5
I left after the Wings tied it at 3. You're welcome! lol More suspect officiating. The call on Briere against Smith was a whiff. Smith lost an edge, and it wasn't even close. Bouillon gets a questionable hook/hold penalty. On that kill, Datsyuk clearly cross checks a guy behind our net, no call. What about Sheahan selling that tap by Bourque with the flying glove. Ref sure fell for that one. Also not happy that Tinordi obviously didn't learn from the benching a couple of weeks ago & made another bad decision that leads to a goal. And why is Boullion playing when Beaulieu is around. He gets a penalty because he can't keep up that leads to a goal. He has to be watching when the playoffs start. Sheahan was cut on the play, badly. Marc Denis said when Sheahan got back to the bench there was quite a bit of blood and he had to go back to the dressing room for repairs. Penalty was deserved. So was Bouillon. Bouillons penalty was a dumb one. He didn't even take a scoring chance away, he just couldn't keep up. I can accept being scored on when on th PK for a penalty that was accidental(IE: White's high stick) It's something entirely different when the penalty was one where the player couldn't keep up with the play, thaat play by Bouillon was a clear sign that he is no longer able to keep up. Beaulieu and Tinordi should finish the season, get acclimated to the speed, then you make a decision in the playoffs when Gorges is healthy and 100%
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Post by jkr on Apr 6, 2014 8:56:47 GMT -5
What about Sheahan selling that tap by Bourque with the flying glove. Ref sure fell for that one. Also not happy that Tinordi obviously didn't learn from the benching a couple of weeks ago & made another bad decision that leads to a goal. And why is Boullion playing when Beaulieu is around. He gets a penalty because he can't keep up that leads to a goal. He has to be watching when the playoffs start. Sheahan was cut on the play, badly. Marc Denis said when Sheahan got back to the bench there was quite a bit of blood and he had to go back to the dressing room for repairs. Penalty was deserved. So was Bouillon. Bouillons penalty was a dumb one. He didn't even take a scoring chance away, he just couldn't keep up. I can accept being scored on when on th PK for a penalty that was accidental(IE: White's high stick) It's something entirely different when the penalty was one where the player couldn't keep up with the play, thaat play by Bouillon was a clear sign that he is no longer able to keep up. Beaulieu and Tinordi should finish the season, get acclimated to the speed, then you make a decision in the playoffs when Gorges is healthy and 100% Thanks for the info on the Sheahan thing. AT first glance, with the glove flying off, it looked like an overreaction to me.
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Post by Boston_Habs on Apr 6, 2014 9:02:27 GMT -5
BostonHabs, do you have the possession numbers for this game? I'd be interested in them, or knowing where to look them up. Shots were 37 -26, though I don't think that represents the scoring chances, but it's still a lot to be outshot by the Grand Rapids Red Wings. Weaver was +4, which is unusual in itself, though I like Weaver, but the distorting stats are Cube at +3 and Bourque at +2. Anyone out there depending on +/- stats? Have I got a deal for you. Unfortunately, MT will play Cube and Bourque till their legs give out, citing the great game they had the day time before. Sigh. We continue to win based on very good individual plays. Max's goal is a good example...simply outskating the Wings and scoring on a great shot. I'd rather be lucky than good, but I'd like to have talent too. I'm liking how Galchy is playing lately. Lots of energy and he keeps making those tough plays. He's also gotten much better at clearing his zone when the puck comes up the boards on his wing. I think he's past the sophomore jinx now, just in time for the playoffs. The overall even strength possession favored Detroit, with a 60/40 Corsi split. But when you track the possession stats when the game was close or tied, the possession was in favor of Montreal by about the same 60/40 margin. It makes sense. When a team jumps out to a 3-0 lead they tends to sit back and let the other team carry the play a bit. But when the game was close the Habs played better, which is what you want to see. Galchenyuk has been quiet most of the year, but he's such a potential weapon in the playoffs and we will need it. Also great to see Eller playing with a bit more confidence and getting rewarded with points. He's another guy who, when he's playing we'll, gives us a strong presence in the middle. Been a wacky couple of games with 12 goals combined, but lots of uneven play. I'll take it for now. Better to see guys scoring and getting some confidence going to the playoffs. We should be able to tighten up the defense. My big fear is that the playoffs will start and Therrien will coach "not to lose" by playing more dump and chase, playing Doug Murray instead of Tinordi, and not letting these guys do what they do well, which is play fast, share the puck, and make plays.
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Post by blny on Apr 6, 2014 9:43:00 GMT -5
I'm not going to blame Tinordi for the 2 on 1 goal. It's his job to pressure the point of attack, and DD's job to get back. DD fell and lost his man and that's what caused the 2 on 1. Tinordi played it the way he's being taught.
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Post by seventeen on Apr 6, 2014 13:34:27 GMT -5
His skill strength is winning one on one battles along the boards. I've seen several instances where he's pinned someone and then managed to move the puck along the boards to another Hab. It's a good place to start from, given how poor some of our other D are at that particular skill. He will get better, but the speed at which he improves depends to a large degree on how much patience Therrien has with him. He's still such a big awkward kid, but he is a willing backer of his teammates and he doesn't hurt us as much as Murray or a worn Cube do. Cube has been pretty good the first game back from a 3 or 4 day (or longer) rest. Give him 3 games in a row, though, even in a full week and he is distressingly worse the longer he's used.
It was really nice to see some of the nastiness back in Emelin's game, even if it was against Detroit. He was nasty against Boston too, so I don't think he's picking his spots. He had a couple of really hurtful checks yesterday. That one in the third, I was surprised the Wing picked himself up. He nailed Nyquist pretty good in the first, I think.
When you look at out D, while there are weak spots with each of them, overall, they're one of the better collectives in the league, especially if PK finds his overall game again. Markov has been better than solid and I'll forgive him being beaten to the outside occasionally. It's not nearly as often as it was late last season. Emelin is back to his normal self, Gorges can be a decent #4. Weaver has been an real surprise and is probably as good a 5-6 as there is around. That leaves Tinordi, Cube, Murray and Beaulieu fighting for that last spot. I'm biased and tempted to make Cube and Murray the last choices of the 4, but Beaulieu is still too raw IMO, but might be useful against a really quick team. Tinordi is my choice, as he can skate, hit and fight. The decision making will come as he plays more.
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Post by seventeen on Apr 6, 2014 13:44:34 GMT -5
BostonHabs, do you have the possession numbers for this game? I'd be interested in them, or knowing where to look them up. Shots were 37 -26, though I don't think that represents the scoring chances, but it's still a lot to be outshot by the Grand Rapids Red Wings. Weaver was +4, which is unusual in itself, though I like Weaver, but the distorting stats are Cube at +3 and Bourque at +2. Anyone out there depending on +/- stats? Have I got a deal for you. Unfortunately, MT will play Cube and Bourque till their legs give out, citing the great game they had the day time before. Sigh. We continue to win based on very good individual plays. Max's goal is a good example...simply outskating the Wings and scoring on a great shot. I'd rather be lucky than good, but I'd like to have talent too. I'm liking how Galchy is playing lately. Lots of energy and he keeps making those tough plays. He's also gotten much better at clearing his zone when the puck comes up the boards on his wing. I think he's past the sophomore jinx now, just in time for the playoffs. The overall even strength possession favored Detroit, with a 60/40 Corsi split. But when you track the possession stats when the game was close or tied, the possession was in favor of Montreal by about the same 60/40 margin. It makes sense. When a team jumps out to a 3-0 lead they tends to sit back and let the other team carry the play a bit. But when the game was close the Habs played better, which is what you want to see. Galchenyuk has been quiet most of the year, but he's such a potential weapon in the playoffs and we will need it. Also great to see Eller playing with a bit more confidence and getting rewarded with points. He's another guy who, when he's playing we'll, gives us a strong presence in the middle. Been a wacky couple of games with 12 goals combined, but lots of uneven play. I'll take it for now. Better to see guys scoring and getting some confidence going to the playoffs. We should be able to tighten up the defense. My big fear is that the playoffs will start and Therrien will coach "not to lose" by playing more dump and chase, playing Doug Murray instead of Tinordi, and not letting these guys do what they do well, which is play fast, share the puck, and make plays. Thanks BH. The stats confirm my gut feeling. Until the Wings scored, I never had the feeling the game was in any danger. It was good to see them pick it up after the tying goal, but disconcerting at the same time, that they let the Wings back into the game so easily. Even then we needed some fumbleitis from Gustavsson to help us take the lead. While we looked stronger and in control for much of the game, against a disciplined, hard working team, there is lots of room for improvement. We still get tied up in our end more than I'd like and the number of times, we 'almost' clear the zone, is really uncomfortable to me. Every team's going to be hemmed in, at some point, it just happens to us more often and for longer periods than I like. Gotta clean that up.
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Post by frozone on Apr 6, 2014 14:41:50 GMT -5
I'm not going to blame Tinordi for the 2 on 1 goal. It's his job to pressure the point of attack, and DD's job to get back. DD fell and lost his man and that's what caused the 2 on 1. Tinordi played it the way he's being taught. That's kinda how I saw it too. Especially in a team defence system, its DD's job to cover for Tinordi when he pinches. Overall, I think Tinordi had another strong game. Max's goal wouldn't have happened if it wasn't for Tinordi standing his ground in front of Carey moments earlier. Not to mention, JT's been pushing the play forward much more aggressively than I ever remember, even in the offensive zone. I hope the coaching staff allows him to develop this side of his game. Anyone else notice that Gionta has been our best PKer lately? He's looked his best in defensive roles this year imo. I might be willing to resign him for 3rd line defensive duty (and less $). I'm not crazy about his size or about him being captain, but we haven't had "clique" problems under his captaincy... just sayin. Good: Emelin, Eller and Glachenyuk all raising their games as we near the playoffs. Bad: Markov was used for over 28 minutes when we already have a playoff spot locked... Subban used for 18 minutes... Come on MT! PK needs to be finding his groove NOW.
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Post by stoat on Apr 6, 2014 20:35:54 GMT -5
This game put the Habs in a good position. The only way they can improve on it would be to put more distance between themselves and the Lightning. Of course I wouldn't mind them winning their remaining games and finishing third in the Eastern Conference. I'd also like to see Pacioretty break the 40-goal barrier. The biggest problem right now is to get Subban back on track. Too much minus, too little plus in the #1 Dman.
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Post by blny on Apr 6, 2014 21:23:18 GMT -5
It sure is nice to have the 4 point lead. We've got three games left and the Lightning have 4. Our final three: Hawks(a), Islanders(h), Rangers(h). Back to back for Hawks and Islanders. Lightning finish with Leafs, Flyers, Jackets and Caps. The last game is the only one on the road, and Jackets and Caps are back to back. 2-1 would be a strong finish for us. It's fair to expect the Lightning to beat Toronto and the Caps. If we can go 2-1 (101pts), even if the Lightning go and win all 4 (101pts) we'll still have more wins and would clinch home ice. Win two of the final three, and it's home ice in the first.
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Post by seventeen on Apr 6, 2014 21:34:21 GMT -5
We play one team fighting for a playoff spot, Lightning play 3 at least, maybe 4 if we include the Flyers, who are fading. I kinda like our opponents better than theirs. We only play the Rangers who have any real incentive to win. We supposedly have a tougher schedule, but don't include me in that opinion. I hope we lose one of our last 3. I don't like entering on a win streak (Law of averages).
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