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Post by blny on Jul 1, 2014 15:02:59 GMT -5
Given what Berg said in PC, it's fair to say this is the unit we'll be looking at in the Fall. So, the defense looks to be set.
Markov-Subban Emelin-Gilbert Beaulieu/Tinordi-Weaver
Markov and Emelin could easily swap. Do we assume 25 minutes a night for the first pair, 20 for the second, and 15 for the third?
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Post by seventeen on Jul 1, 2014 15:13:01 GMT -5
I see the 3rd pairing, especially as the year goes on, being able to handle more minutes so the other two can come down a bit
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Post by blny on Jul 1, 2014 15:49:37 GMT -5
I see the 3rd pairing, especially as the year goes on, being able to handle more minutes so the other two can come down a bit Definitely a possibility. If both Tinordi and Beaulieu show they can play, maybe you can give Weaver a night off, or even Markov here and there.
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Post by habsask on Jul 1, 2014 15:53:41 GMT -5
I would the 3rd pairing would play more as well. Markov's minutes need to get down to the 20 range whether it's on the first pair or the second. I also think Markov needs a bodyguard and Emelin fits that description nicely and I would rather not see Subban sidetracked into that sort of thing. Beaulieu didn't look out of place in the playoffs. Might he not play in the top 4? It would be nice to have Subban anchoring the first pair and Markov the second:
Beaulieu - Subban
Markov - Emelin
But it may be too early for that.
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Post by UberCranky on Jul 1, 2014 16:00:23 GMT -5
I can see the snarl on Pateryns face as you guys dismiss him......
Seriously, I think that the three amigos are going to fight for their spots more then some of us think. I can see all three push out Weaver and threaten Gilbert. Tinordi with a tough, shut down ability, Beau with offense and Pateryn with a mix of both.
Drop the damn puck already......
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Post by blny on Jul 1, 2014 16:12:28 GMT -5
Beaulieu and Subban is scary in our own end lol.
I'm not dismissing Pateryn. If he comes into camp and takes a spot from the other 2 kids, good for him. He certainly seems a hybrid of the two. At some point Berg will have to make a choice(s) about them all.
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Post by habsask on Jul 1, 2014 16:16:27 GMT -5
Beaulieu and Subban is scary in our own end lol. I'm not dismissing Pateryn. If he comes into camp and takes a spot from the other 2 kids, good for him. He certainly seems a hybrid of the two. At some point Berg will have to make a choice(s) about them all. I have to admit you got a point there.....a really good one.
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Post by habsask on Jul 1, 2014 16:19:22 GMT -5
Beaulieu and Subban is scary in our own end lol. I'm not dismissing Pateryn. If he comes into camp and takes a spot from the other 2 kids, good for him. He certainly seems a hybrid of the two. At some point Berg will have to make a choice(s) about them all. On the local sports talk show they have a segment when they discuss what's going on around the League especially in Ottawa's Division bringing in analysts from out of town. One of the criticism I heard of Tinordi was he made bad decisions with the puck & without. Any truth to that?
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Post by blny on Jul 1, 2014 16:22:21 GMT -5
Beaulieu and Subban is scary in our own end lol. I'm not dismissing Pateryn. If he comes into camp and takes a spot from the other 2 kids, good for him. He certainly seems a hybrid of the two. At some point Berg will have to make a choice(s) about them all. On the local sports talk show they have a segment when they discuss what's going on around the League especially in Ottawa's Division bringing in analysts from out of town. One of the criticism I heard of Tinordi was he made bad decisions with the puck & without. Any truth to that? The sample size is awfully small. I can't speak for Hamilton, but I was more or less pleased with his efforts as a young guy learning. He played a game down the stretch in Chicago, where I thought he was quite good. The pace of the game was playoff like, and he fit in pretty darn well.
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Post by PTH on Jul 1, 2014 16:24:36 GMT -5
Good enough defensive corps.
With Gorges, Murray and Bouillon gone, the 3 kids will have roster spots at various points in time, and their actual icetime might be more than we'd like if we get hit by injuries, but it's a safe bet that they'll get some games in.
Also, only 3 veterans (Markov, Emelin, Subban) have/will have deals that go beyond 2 seasons, so in short, when the kids are ready, they will have roster spots open.
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Post by Lord Bebop on Jul 1, 2014 16:26:32 GMT -5
I can see the snarl on Pateryns face as you guys dismiss him...... Seriously, I think that the three amigos are going to fight for their spots more then some of us think. I can see all three push out Weaver and threaten Gilbert. Tinordi with a tough, shut down ability, Beau with offense and Pateryn with a mix of both. Drop the damn puck already...... Pateryn might lack the speed to keep up with the NHL...... We could use his size and gritty game Emelin- Subban Markov- Gilbert Tinordi- weaver Beaulieau I think we still need some UFA depth.... Bergeron loves signing or trading for defensive depth(Murray, bouillon,weaver) Sami Salo is screaming out discount contract
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Post by blny on Jul 1, 2014 16:35:26 GMT -5
Any further UFA additions to the blue line will depend on moves made by Berg going forward, and how the 3 look during camp. Otherwise, I think that's the group.
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Post by Willie Dog on Jul 1, 2014 16:37:12 GMT -5
Found this on Hockey I/O
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Post by Lord Bebop on Jul 1, 2014 16:38:10 GMT -5
Any further UFA additions to the blue line will depend on moves made by Berg going forward, and how the 3 look during camp. Otherwise, I think that's the group. Sami Salo perhaps..... Always guys sitting in August / September in the unemployment line...... But you are right let's see what Subban and Eller command
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Post by blny on Jul 1, 2014 16:38:52 GMT -5
lol and a reporter apparently picked up on that and asked Berg if true Weaver's funny. If you're on twitter, he's worth a follow. He's already petitioning to have former, and new, team mater Gilbert cut his long hair.
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Post by blny on Jul 1, 2014 16:40:45 GMT -5
Any further UFA additions to the blue line will depend on moves made by Berg going forward, and how the 3 look during camp. Otherwise, I think that's the group. Sami Salo perhaps..... Always guys sitting in August / September in the unemployment line...... But you are right let's see what Subban and Eller command Well, I think they play hard ball with Eller. He's still got a lot to prove. His QO is $1.5 million. I wouldn't go much above that, and on a two year deal. I know it won't be music to his ears. He's likely looking for $2 million or more. My goal, between the two players would be to get them signed for as much under a combined $10 million as possible.
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Post by Lord Bebop on Jul 1, 2014 16:44:15 GMT -5
Sami Salo perhaps..... Always guys sitting in August / September in the unemployment line...... But you are right let's see what Subban and Eller command Well, I think they play hard ball with Eller. He's still got a lot to prove. His QO is $1.5 million. I wouldn't go much above that, and on a two year deal. I know it won't be music to his ears. He's likely looking for $2 million or more. My goal, between the two players would be to get them signed for as much under a combined $10 million as possible. I hope you are right.... I was thinking for Eller 2.5 or 3.... I like your number better lol and Subban for 7 million If your number is right that leaves 3 million and I'm pretty sure we are going to be close to cap....... Looking at our defensive depth...YUK!!!
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Post by blny on Jul 1, 2014 16:48:37 GMT -5
I just don't think Eller has done enough to warrant that big a raise. You can certainly argue from his camp that if he was playing center all along his numbers would be better. Still, I'd be playing hard ball on hit and term.
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Post by UberCranky on Jul 1, 2014 16:52:01 GMT -5
Weaver pushed Gorges out....adn I'm ok with it. I think that Weaver knows that he is a filler and a mentor to the kids coming up so he will be a lot less of a problem then sitting or limiting Gorges. Ergo, goodbye Gorges. As for keeping it quiet, well, it just proves that The Berg has stolen and implanted some of Pollocks hair follicles. Evil, conniving, ruthless, focused......pure music to my ears!
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Post by Willie Dog on Jul 1, 2014 16:53:06 GMT -5
MB needs to tell Larry that "its a bridge deal like the one PK got... Do you think your better than PK?" MB gives him 1.85 for 2 years.
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Post by seventeen on Jul 1, 2014 16:53:14 GMT -5
I can see the snarl on Pateryns face as you guys dismiss him...... Seriously, I think that the three amigos are going to fight for their spots more then some of us think. I can see all three push out Weaver and threaten Gilbert. Tinordi with a tough, shut down ability, Beau with offense and Pateryn with a mix of both. Drop the damn puck already...... Not dismissing him, but he's a rightie and the opening is on the left. If one of the other righties is injured it opens a spot (assuming Nygren stays in Sweden).
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Post by Willie Dog on Jul 1, 2014 16:55:59 GMT -5
Weaver pushed Gorges out....adn I'm ok with it. I think that Weaver knows that he is a filler and a mentor to the kids coming up so he will be a lot less of a problem then sitting or limiting Gorges. Ergo, goodbye Gorges. As for keeping it quiet, well, it just proves that The Berg has stolen and implanted some of Pollocks hair follicles. Evil, conniving, ruthless, focused......pure music to my ears! The only reason it was kept quiet was because MB wanted to move Gorges imo. I guess he figured if news got out Weaver was signed, we would have had a glut at defense (with Bo, Tim and Pat), he would have had to give up more to move Josh.
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Post by seventeen on Jul 1, 2014 16:58:41 GMT -5
In conflict the less your enemies know, the better.
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Post by franko on Jul 1, 2014 17:00:50 GMT -5
Beaulieu and Subban is scary in our own end lol. I'm not dismissing Pateryn. If he comes into camp and takes a spot from the other 2 kids, good for him. He certainly seems a hybrid of the two. At some point Berg will have to make a choice(s) about them all. On the local sports talk show they have a segment when they discuss what's going on around the League especially in Ottawa's Division bringing in analysts from out of town. One of the criticism I heard of Tinordi was he made bad decisions with the puck & without. Any truth to that? you could say that about just about any d-man.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jul 1, 2014 17:04:18 GMT -5
Beaulieu and Subban is scary in our own end lol. I'm not dismissing Pateryn. If he comes into camp and takes a spot from the other 2 kids, good for him. This should also apply to the other two "kids" as well ... Cheers.
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Post by Douper on Jul 1, 2014 17:04:25 GMT -5
Thankfully we don't have to listen to Gorges in post game interviews anymore.
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Post by seventeen on Jul 1, 2014 17:17:15 GMT -5
Someone else will take up the cliche banner.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jul 1, 2014 17:21:58 GMT -5
Beaulieu and Subban is scary in our own end lol. I'm not dismissing Pateryn. If he comes into camp and takes a spot from the other 2 kids, good for him. He certainly seems a hybrid of the two. At some point Berg will have to make a choice(s) about them all. Absolutely he job is there to be earned.
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Post by habsask on Jul 1, 2014 17:31:52 GMT -5
Weaver pushed Gorges out....adn I'm ok with it. I think that Weaver knows that he is a filler and a mentor to the kids coming up so he will be a lot less of a problem then sitting or limiting Gorges. Ergo, goodbye Gorges. As for keeping it quiet, well, it just proves that The Berg has stolen and implanted some of Pollocks hair follicles. Evil, conniving, ruthless, focused......pure music to my ears! Right you are HA! And it is soooo good to have someone like that back in charge! Sigh, happiness.....
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jul 1, 2014 17:36:24 GMT -5
Beaulieu and Subban is scary in our own end lol. I'm not dismissing Pateryn. If he comes into camp and takes a spot from the other 2 kids, good for him. He certainly seems a hybrid of the two. At some point Berg will have to make a choice(s) about them all. On the local sports talk show they have a segment when they discuss what's going on around the League especially in Ottawa's Division bringing in analysts from out of town. One of the criticism I heard of Tinordi was he made bad decisions with the puck & without. Any truth to that? This is the first criticism I've read on Tinordi this year ... IMHO, he hasn't had enough exposure this year to warrant any heavy criticism ... he seemed to spend more time in the press box of the three youngsters we have coming up ... even given that, though, I found Tinordi still got a lot of attention, at least on boards like this ... I'm really hoping he lives up to the organization's vision of what they believe him to be ... Cheers.
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