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Post by seventeen on Oct 31, 2014 0:02:35 GMT -5
Just noticed that Tinordi was -2, both times not having done anything wrong. No wonder we dislike that stat.
Our resilience is amazing, but we have to be better at creating chances and playing 'dirtier' more basic hockey.
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Post by Disp on Oct 31, 2014 0:09:57 GMT -5
Some of the guys need a little more urgency and pace in their game. Too slow and predictable. Maybe we'd actually play with a lead for a bit if they weren't so patient.
Nhl refs are freaking incompetent. It really is amazing how bad they can be.
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Post by UberCranky on Oct 31, 2014 0:09:58 GMT -5
I'm not buying the tired angle. Too many versions of the same movie.
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Post by seventeen on Oct 31, 2014 0:30:54 GMT -5
well, they had some fresh legs in Sekac and Bournival and Beaulieu but chose not to use them. At some point Therrien is going to have to realize that you have to rest your older key cogs. The San Antonio Spurs do it and it helps them a lot.
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Post by habsorbed on Oct 31, 2014 3:21:21 GMT -5
I was at the game and thought the boys played well. PP was good just no finish. The Gals were great. Reffing was not. The missed head shot by Burrows was a joke and the non interference calls on the Canucks in OT on the PP were horrible.
Thought we skated well and were just not quite clicking. But when we do this could be scary good.
Meanwhile, I've criticized Gilbert for the unforced giveaways but an unforced penalty is just stupid, particularly in OT.
The crowd was insane. Habs fans and jerseys everywhere. "Go Habs GO" everywhere. Was great game to be at. I was thoroughly entertained even though we only got a point. Would be interested to hear what it was like on TV but there was a buzz in the building. Lots of Habs camaraderie.
We've got a very good team. Could be great with a coach who knew how to use his personnel.
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Post by blny on Oct 31, 2014 5:57:13 GMT -5
Watched the first. Lots of missed passes that led directly to icings.
Emelin a direct impact on two goals against. One, tries a stretch pass at our blue line, fails, falls, doesn't get up, and Tinordi is unable to stop the passes on the 2 on 1. Two, the OT goal. Plekanec was gassed, the announcers barely got it out of their mouths (watched extended highlights on nhl.com) and Sedin was by Emelin and free to the net. Emelin went for the puck carrier, who Plekanec had a better shot of defending given his fatigue and position. Emelin leaves his post to try an ill-fated stick check. Puck is put through him to the streaking Sedin.
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Post by blny on Oct 31, 2014 5:57:54 GMT -5
I was at the game and thought the boys played well. PP was good just no finish. The Gals were great. Reffing was not. The missed head shot by Burrows was a joke and the non interference calls on the Canucks in OT on the PP were horrible. Thought we skated well and were just not quite clicking. But when we do this could be scary good. Meanwhile, I've criticized Gilbert for the unforced giveaways but an unforced penalty is just stupid, particularly in OT. The crowd was insane. Habs fans and jerseys everywhere. "Go Habs GO" everywhere. Was great game to be at. I was thoroughly entertained even though we only got a point. Would be interested to hear what it was like on TV but there was a buzz in the building. Lots of Habs camaraderie. We've got a very good team. Could be great with a coach who knew how to use his personnel. You could tell it was definitely a pro Montreal crowd in the first.
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Post by jkr on Oct 31, 2014 6:31:26 GMT -5
Went to bed after the 2nd & just saw the highlights. I'll look again but at first glance that penalty on Gilbert looked really sketchy to me. Plus the head shot on Emelin uncalled - it's not just Chris Lee & Tim Peel. The incompetence is league wide.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Oct 31, 2014 6:40:41 GMT -5
I was at the game and thought the boys played well. PP was good just no finish. The Gals were great. Reffing was not. The missed head shot by Burrows was a joke and the non interference calls on the Canucks in OT on the PP were horrible. Thought we skated well and were just not quite clicking. But when we do this could be scary good. Meanwhile, I've criticized Gilbert for the unforced giveaways but an unforced penalty is just stupid, particularly in OT. The crowd was insane. Habs fans and jerseys everywhere. "Go Habs GO" everywhere. Was great game to be at. I was thoroughly entertained even though we only got a point. Would be interested to hear what it was like on TV but there was a buzz in the building. Lots of Habs camaraderie. We've got a very good team. Could be great with a coach who knew how to use his personnel. Glad you had a good experience Habsorbed ... I crashed after the second period ... 3 out of a possible 6 points on the road ... I shouldn't be disappointed with that but I am ... I really didn't think it was all that successful ... we scored 5 frig 3 goals and gave up 7 ... really have to tighten up on the GA if we're going to go anywhere this year ... just a thought ... Cheers.
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Post by CentreHice on Oct 31, 2014 6:55:35 GMT -5
Actually, Dis…we scored only 3 regulation goals on this road trip.
Went to bed after the second period as well.
Glad they came back for the point…PP in OT….what can you do? Bogus call on Gilbert or not, missed calls in OT or not, we had our chances on PPs…and it was abysmal.
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In terms of being tired….
Not only was it the 3rd game in 4 nights…but the 4th game in 6 nights.
Sat., Mon., Tues, Thurs. 5/8 pts.
In fact, if you'd told us we'd be playing .772 hockey after the first 11 games --NOT playing our best hockey--giving up the first goal in 9 of those games--we'd still have taken it.
I agree with seventeen (and everyone else who says it) that Therrien had fresh troops ready to go…and didn't use them.
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That Burrows head shot on Emelin better be reviewed. Dirty AND late!
That play should've been blown dead…and the score would've remained 0-0 at that point, with us on the PP.
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Post by Willie Dog on Oct 31, 2014 7:14:40 GMT -5
Actually, Dis…we scored only 3 regulation goals on this road trip. Went to bed after the second period as well. Glad they came back for the point…PP in OT….what can you do? Bogus call on Gilbert or not, we had our chances on PPs…and it was abysmal. ============= In terms of being tired…. Not only was it the 3rd game in 4 nights…but the 4th game in 6 nights. Sat., Mon., Tues, Thurs. 5/8 pts. and not playing our best hockey. I agree with seventeen (and everyone else who says it) that Therrien had fresh troops ready to go…and didn't use them. ============== That Burrows head shot on Emelin better be reviewed. Dirty AND late! That play should've been blown dead…and the score would've remained 0-0 at that point, with us on the PP. The linesman put up his arms to protect himself when burrows hit emelin... way to keep an eye on the play.
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Post by blny on Oct 31, 2014 7:18:04 GMT -5
My biggest concern is that Emelin is Russian for Komisarek.
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Post by franko on Oct 31, 2014 7:18:36 GMT -5
would be nice to score a PP goal on the road, too.
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Post by CentreHice on Oct 31, 2014 7:20:12 GMT -5
I'VE HAD IT WITH INFALLIBLE OFFICIATING!
If they really want to crack down on head shots, then they MUST be reviewable. Perfect example of why there should be one Coach's Challenge per team in each game. They have one for "illegal stick curves" that the officials miss, but not for illegal head shots. Go figure.
We should've been on a 5:00 PP there. Instead, we're down a goal. Nonsense!
Concussion symptoms today, Alexei?
Arm brought up…principle point of contact was the head. Late hit. That should be 2 games at least. Therrien was really giving it to Ian Walsh.
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Post by blny on Oct 31, 2014 7:27:32 GMT -5
Blind side, arms up, contact to head. should be. Not holding my breath. Should have been a response from Prust, Weise, Moen, someone.
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Post by Willie Dog on Oct 31, 2014 7:46:41 GMT -5
Blind side, arms up, contact to head. should be. Not holding my breath. Should have been a response from Prust, Weise, Moen, someone. I agree, and that is on MT. The coach has to let the players know that if something like this happens, they can go after the perpetrator. If burrows or anyone else did that to a defenseman on the Sens, Neil, Smith, Gryba, Borvi-whatever his name is would be coming after Burrows. Now I hate the Walrus, but the Sens have a pack mentality, that Habs Not so much. That is on the coach IMO.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Oct 31, 2014 7:58:35 GMT -5
Actually, Dis…we scored only 3 regulation goals on this road trip. Thanks CH, checking the update was the first thing I did this morning even before pouring coffee ... at work right now and I'm still in a Friday morning fog ... 3 goals man ... giving up 7 ... I'm wondering when Sekac will see the ice again ... Cheers.
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Post by Willie Dog on Oct 31, 2014 8:00:16 GMT -5
Actually, Dis…we scored only 3 regulation goals on this road trip. Went to bed after the second period as well. Glad they came back for the point…PP in OT….what can you do? Bogus call on Gilbert or not, we had our chances on PPs…and it was abysmal. ============= In terms of being tired…. Not only was it the 3rd game in 4 nights…but the 4th game in 6 nights. Sat., Mon., Tues, Thurs. 5/8 pts. and not playing our best hockey. I agree with seventeen (and everyone else who says it) that Therrien had fresh troops ready to go…and didn't use them. ============== That Burrows head shot on Emelin better be reviewed. Dirty AND late! That play should've been blown dead…and the score would've remained 0-0 at that point, with us on the PP. The linesman put up his arms to protect himself when burrows hit emelin... way to keep an eye on the play. NHL Rulebook states.... Rule 32.4 Should a Linesman witness a foul committed by an attacking player or goalkeeper (undetected by the Referees) prior to the attacking team scoring a goal, the Linesman shall report what he witnessed to the Referees, the goal shall be disallowed and the appropriate penalty assessed.
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Post by CentreHice on Oct 31, 2014 8:26:39 GMT -5
The linesman put up his arms to protect himself when burrows hit emelin... way to keep an eye on the play. NHL Rulebook states.... Rule 32.4 Should a Linesman witness a foul committed by an attacking player or goalkeeper (undetected by the Referees) prior to the attacking team scoring a goal, the Linesman shall report what he witnessed to the Referees, the goal shall be disallowed and the appropriate penalty assessed. Should a linesman miss such a foul, as pointed out by either the defending coach or a video official, the play shall go to video review. If a foul is detected, the goal shall be disallowed and the appropriate penalty assessed. My suggested amendment in bold. A playoff game, series, or Cup could be determined on such garbage. Go all "NFL" and "MLB" with reviews. It's okay, refs! It's a fast game, mistakes happen. We have a multitude of camera angles. Get it right!
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Post by habernac on Oct 31, 2014 8:32:32 GMT -5
Went to bed after the 2nd & just saw the highlights. I'll look again but at first glance that penalty on Gilbert looked really sketchy to me. Plus the head shot on Emelin uncalled - it's not just Chris Lee & Tim Peel. The incompetence is league wide. Gilbert's penalty was legit. Frustrating that the Canucks did the same thing during their powerplay and didn't get called.
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Post by Boston_Habs on Oct 31, 2014 8:47:33 GMT -5
Just noticed that Tinordi was -2, both times not having done anything wrong. No wonder we dislike that stat. Eller was -2 as well despite having a favorable even-strength Corsi rating of 64% (14 shot attemts for, 8 shot attempts allowed). He played better than his -2 suggests, although I'm sure that's all Therrien will see. Pretty even game overall in terms of flow, I thought. A little to fancy in trying to make the perfect play and the power play is just miserable. But that tends to revert to the average. We are very fortunate to be 8-2-1 with a PP clicking at 9.4%.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Oct 31, 2014 8:59:24 GMT -5
We are very fortunate to be 8-2-1 with a PP clicking at 9.4%. Absolutely ... I suggested in the game thread to reunite the GEG line ... don't even let them practice it, just put them out there the next time we have the PP ... why not, eh? ... might even consider trying Sekac on whichever line ... I mean, what does Therrien have to lose? ... as an aside, I wonder if this is the kind of game Therrien wants ... close, grinding, one-goal games ... I'm not saying he does, but it wouldn't surprise me just the same ... Cheers.
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Post by 24andcounting on Oct 31, 2014 9:04:15 GMT -5
Blind side, arms up, contact to head. should be. Not holding my breath. Should have been a response from Prust, Weise, Moen, someone. Agreed. Instead, no one even says a peep to Burrows. On a separate rush to the net, Dorsett tries to mix it up with Price and Moen turns the other cheek. Give me a break.
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Post by 24andcounting on Oct 31, 2014 9:06:01 GMT -5
Blind side, arms up, contact to head. should be. Not holding my breath. Should have been a response from Prust, Weise, Moen, someone. I agree, and that is on MT. The coach has to let the players know that if something like this happens, they can go after the perpetrator. If burrows or anyone else did that to a defenseman on the Sens, Neil, Smith, Gryba, Borvi-whatever his name is would be coming after Burrows. Now I hate the Walrus, but the Sens have a pack mentality, that Habs Not so much. That is on the coach IMO. Or maybe it's a lack of camaraderie in the room? Maybe the players just don't feel the need to stick up for one another?
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Post by frozone on Oct 31, 2014 9:12:40 GMT -5
No excuse for not calling the pick on Malhotra in OT. As for the hit on Emelin, I'm hoping the refs just missed it, as impossible as that may seem with the linesman standing right there... my worst fear is that the refs just thought Emelin was trying to sell the call and therefore ignored the play.
Overall, I'm with habsorbed: we really didn't play that poorly. Third line forechecked hard. Max was the floater imo, but he scored. Gals were our best forewards again.
What disappointed me the most was Tinordi barely getting any ice in the 3rd. I actually thought that he played an excellent game. I also didn't like seeing how much he beat himself up after he hit Miller in the crest from in close off a rolling puck. Imo, Tinordi's game is really coming along... but I'm extremely worried about how much needless pressure he's feeling. And what was with Max yelling out "Oh my God!" when he saw the replay? Max, your buddy DD can't shoot any better than that. Just didn't look like something a leader should say imo.
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Post by BadCompany on Oct 31, 2014 10:08:44 GMT -5
First overall in the league right now! Sure, *some* of it might be smoke and mirrors, but every team has a magic trick or two up their sleeves. In the meantime these are points in the bank that cannot be taken away.
I don't expect us to stay at the top all season long - indeed, I predicted a bit of a fallback this season - but for me the fact that they are continuing to win even though some key cogs aren't firing like they should is a good sign. Carey, barring an injury, is going to be there all season long so saying "we only won because of Price" is fine by me. They ask how many W's, not how you got them. The power-play may or may not come around, but if it does that can only be considered a bonus. How many years did we complain we only won because of our power-play? Defense could use some shoring up still, but hopefully that starts to round into shape as Tinordi and/or Beaulieu get more comfortable. In the meantime there are worse bluelines out there.
We're doing okay. Better than okay. There is still room for massive improvement, and it's not in the "the stars have to align" category. Galchenyuk is only going to get better, and that's going to give us two solid offensive lines. The blueline should get better. Price will maintain. We may go on a losing streak, every team does, but I think there is just too much depth for a massive collapse.
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Post by Disp on Oct 31, 2014 10:57:41 GMT -5
Burrows has a phone call at 1 eastern as per Lebrun.
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Post by Willie Dog on Oct 31, 2014 13:10:06 GMT -5
Kerry Frasier weighs in on the Gilbert penalty in OT and the 2 picks by the Canucks. He felt the Bieksa pick was the worst of the 3. Video is included... we don't get any love from the refs and the Canucks got the hometown calls. Refs suck
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Post by Doc Holliday on Oct 31, 2014 14:04:32 GMT -5
Just noticed that Tinordi was -2, both times not having done anything wrong. No wonder we dislike that stat. Eller was -2 as well despite having a favorable even-strength Corsi rating of 64% (14 shot attemts for, 8 shot attempts allowed). He played better than his -2 suggests, although I'm sure that's all Therrien will see. Actually Therrien mentioned that he was satisfied with Eller and Bourque efforts tonight.
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Post by Disp on Oct 31, 2014 14:51:48 GMT -5
Kerry Frasier weighs in on the Gilbert penalty in OT and the 2 picks by the Canucks. He felt the Bieksa pick was the worst of the 3. Video is included... we don't get any love from the refs and the Canucks got the hometown calls. Refs suckThey're going too far with the embellishment crackdown. It's obvious that the habs diving rep is not just in the media and fans, it extends to the nhl offices as well. Huge disadvantage when the other team can pull that crap and we can't. Legit calls are being let go cause the habs are supposedly embellishing. Take that same critical eye when viewing other teams, they'd find they're just as bad if not worse.
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