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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 21:43:36 GMT -5
6th blowout loss of the season, 4 of which were shutouts. That's a disturbing trend.
- Slow defense? - Poor decisions with the puck? - Inconsistent offense?
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Post by Disp on Nov 23, 2014 21:50:29 GMT -5
Could tell early that the heads and legs weren't in it. End of a busy stretch, emotional letdown after the bruin game, back to back, yaddayadda.......I could work for last nights broadcast crew, but I'd get reprimanded for making excuses for the habs.
Just brutal even with all the reasons listed above. Simply not good enough.
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Post by seventeen on Nov 23, 2014 22:08:40 GMT -5
Like I said, I'll give them a pass today. Even when a team is tired, they can still pull out a win, but one key factor has to be their goaltending. It has to inspire confidence to give the team's tired legs a boost. That didn't happen today. Toker missed that simple shoot in and instead of feeling confident, the team was on it's heels. A calm glove and a face-off at that point and the game might have turned around. We were still really sluggish offensively, but that can change with a change in attitude. After that first goal, we were ready to lose. This loss was not all Tokarski's doing as he's played ok in some other games (I'm still nervous when he's in net, are you?)but he's got to be bigger and better for the team to rally around him.
In the long haul, this might be ok. The Rangers will have this feeling they can beat us, and then when we stomp on them when it counts, they won't know what hit them.
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Post by blny on Nov 23, 2014 22:15:43 GMT -5
Stopped after first to watch something else. No legs, jump, etc. The first goal was farcical. Now their off 5 days? Good grief the schedule makers are on crack.
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Post by seventeen on Nov 23, 2014 22:20:07 GMT -5
No, they were just too tired after working on 'embellishment' strategies against the Habs.
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Post by folatre on Nov 23, 2014 22:59:05 GMT -5
For sure, the guy in net set the tone.
But it is also indicative of how small the margin for this group is. When they play "media pila" (in English half go?), it is often sorry to watch. There are not enough guys on the roster, defensemen or forwards, who have defending in the DNA and so when things go bad they go very bad.
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Post by stoat on Nov 24, 2014 0:33:27 GMT -5
Like I said, I'll give them a pass today. Even when a team is tired, they can still pull out a win, but one key factor has to be their goaltending. It has to inspire confidence to give the team's tired legs a boost. That didn't happen today. Toker missed that simple shoot in and instead of feeling confident, the team was on it's heels. A calm glove and a face-off at that point and the game might have turned around. We were still really sluggish offensively, but that can change with a change in attitude. After that first goal, we were ready to lose. This loss was not all Tokarski's doing as he's played ok in some other games (I'm still nervous when he's in net, are you?)but he's got to be bigger and better for the team to rally around him. In the long haul, this might be ok. The Rangers will have this feeling they can beat us, and then when we stomp on them when it counts, they won't know what hit them. I don't want to fool myself with happy talk. The Rangers won the ECF series pretty easily and, if anything, they looked stronger in this game (even without McDonagh). If the Habs get to the ECF again I hope that they'd face another Metropolitan division opponent (not that thy's have any easy time with the Penguins, who also blew out the Habs quite recently.
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Post by seventeen on Nov 24, 2014 2:32:48 GMT -5
Fair enough, but we have to remember not to get too pleased over our victories nor too unhappy over our losses. With Bourque gone, we have 3 lines that can put something together on any given day. WE have no Toews/Kane combination, but we do have the ability to score and Carey is always the great equalizer. I take solace in the fact that PK really hasn't been as good as he can be so far, that we're still working out that leadership thing (and that may take most of the year) and that we have some good depth available to us. Galchenyui, at some point is going to break out as well and that will pose a real problem for opponents.
It would make me feel better, though, with a more dependable defenseman for the top 4. There's some real age on our back line and while the experience helps, the lack of foot speed is not so reassuring. Add to that a top 6 or top 3 winger and we'd really be contenders. Hopefully, Berg has something up his sleeve for those teams with problem children or problem salaries.
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Post by UberCranky on Nov 24, 2014 2:37:51 GMT -5
I was going to break out in song about "those were the days my friend, when we had all those leaders then".....but I'll spare you....
What we have here is a bit of a problem of leadership. There isn't a core that takes these loses too seriously so when the game is reachable, they'll game it....and you see all those comebacks. BUT....and there are always two sides to every butt.....when the game gets too far out of reach, they simply give up. THAT is why you have the big swings of endless comebacks....and blow outs.
Call it immature leadership...and something we shouldn't worry about until February. That is when I expect that we either have matured, or start to worry about leadeship in the playoffs.
Now back to my singing.....
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Post by UberCranky on Nov 24, 2014 2:47:34 GMT -5
Like I said, I'll give them a pass today. Even when a team is tired, they can still pull out a win, but one key factor has to be their goaltending. It has to inspire confidence to give the team's tired legs a boost. That didn't happen today. Toker missed that simple shoot in and instead of feeling confident, the team was on it's heels. A calm glove and a face-off at that point and the game might have turned around. We were still really sluggish offensively, but that can change with a change in attitude. After that first goal, we were ready to lose. This loss was not all Tokarski's doing as he's played ok in some other games (I'm still nervous when he's in net, are you?)but he's got to be bigger and better for the team to rally around him. In the long haul, this might be ok. The Rangers will have this feeling they can beat us, and then when we stomp on them when it counts, they won't know what hit them. I don't want to fool myself with happy talk. The Rangers won the ECF series pretty easily and, if anything, they looked stronger in this game (even without McDonagh). If the Habs get to the ECF again I hope that they'd face another Metropolitan division opponent (not that thy's have any easy time with the Penguins, who also blew out the Habs quite recently. Young club and leadership will make you pull your hair....luckily, I cut mine real short. Getting blown out is not much of a concern. It's purely a between the ears issue. If it was a talent issue, it's not so easily fixable. You can waste talent by not using it to win, but you're not winning if you don't have it.
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Post by habsorbed on Nov 24, 2014 3:04:21 GMT -5
I'm not putting this on Toker. The Boys were awful. Whatever happened to playing a little harder when the rookie back up is in net. They were tired and unfocused. Chucky's and Emelin's gaffs summed up the effort. ' But I am very worried about PK. He has no jump, pizazz, offence and hasn't for most of the year. It is amazing we have our current record with him being so mediocre. Throw in Max who is inconsistent and DD who is outplayed most nights and we don't have a first line. We certainly don't have a PP. I'm worried our record may be all smoke and mirrors, or just Carey. The half full glass says we can only get better. The half empty suggests things are gong to catch up with us.
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Post by BadCompany on Nov 24, 2014 7:44:31 GMT -5
Eighth game in their last 13 nights, most against quality competition. Winnipeg, Boston, Philadelphia, Detroit, Pittsburgh, St. Louis, Boston and then the Rangers.
That's a brutal schedule any way you want to look at it. And they won six of those eight.
Probably not a popular opinion, but if I was Therrien I would tell the boys to take the next couple of days off, and don't come back to the rink until Wednesday. Maybe even Thursday. But that's just me.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Nov 24, 2014 10:47:53 GMT -5
When they are on, they are on...but when they are off, they are way off.
Still a good record for the number of warts this team shows.
Watching last night's game you could just sense there was no comeback in the boys. I think St. Louis' goal against Emelin summed the evening up for me.
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Post by Polarice on Nov 24, 2014 10:50:12 GMT -5
They were tuckered....showed it right off the opening faceoff. Don't help that they were entertaining their Mom's all weekend either.
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Post by HFTO on Nov 24, 2014 13:59:15 GMT -5
The schedule will humble all teams at some point what ....so far this year this team has taken that to the extreme. What concerns me more is our D as constructed 60 games from now and going into the playoffs....hopefully help is added or some of our young players are finally in the mix.
HFTO
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Post by MC Habber on Nov 28, 2014 1:17:49 GMT -5
I don't think this is just one of those games. Seems to me we just can't play against the Rangers for some reason. Just like in the playoffs, they are first to every loose puck, they are always in our shooting lanes, and somehow we can't stop them from creating lots of chances. I'm not sure what it is but we always look slower than them.
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Post by seventeen on Nov 28, 2014 2:53:43 GMT -5
Sixth game in 9 days, third game in 4; while the Rangers had 5 days off. Not a surprise to me.
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Post by jkr on Nov 28, 2014 8:12:56 GMT -5
I don't think this is just one of those games. Seems to me we just can't play against the Rangers for some reason. Just like in the playoffs, they are first to every loose puck, they are always in our shooting lanes, and somehow we can't stop them from creating lots of chances. I'm not sure what it is but we always look slower than them. They did beat them 3-1 back on Oct. 25th.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 28, 2014 10:09:45 GMT -5
What we have here is a bit of a problem of leadership. There isn't a core that takes these loses too seriously so when the game is reachable, they'll game it....and you see all those comebacks. BUT....and there are always two sides to every butt.....when the game gets too far out of reach, they simply give up. THAT is why you have the big swings of endless comebacks....and blow outs. Call it immature leadership...and something we shouldn't worry about until February. That is when I expect that we either have matured, or start to worry about leadeship in the playoffs. The very first thing I thought of when I saw we were blown out by the Rangers (sitting in Holguin airport, mind you) was that Gionta and Gorges would never have let this happen ... there's really no way of knowing this, sure, but I suspect the score might have been a tad more respectable under our old guard ... it's a learning curve, which might explain the blow outs and endless comebacks you're referring to ... Cheers man.
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