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Post by franko on Mar 26, 2015 7:09:18 GMT -5
Tinordi's dad speaking for Jared again. is he taking lessons from Bonnie?
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Post by PTH on Mar 26, 2015 7:47:40 GMT -5
If I was on the fringe of the nhl, trying to make it, it would take an amputation to keep me out. I'd lie my ass off. This. It's not just hockey culture, it's any kind of sporting culture. Look at all the kids who'll take steroid to try and make it, despite all the proven health risks. 15 to 25 year olds think they're indestructible, and will do or try anything to help them make it.
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Post by CentreHice on Mar 26, 2015 8:53:19 GMT -5
Mark isn't doing himself or his son any favors imo. Jarred's 23. Just. Would we all love him to be playing everyday? Yes. We also all know that the type of defender he needs to be often takes longer to become. My only real gripe would be that if the club, at some point in recent history, had seen fit to hire Robinson in ANY capacity he could have been around to mentor Jarred. Maybe, just maybe, Tinordi is an everyday player as a result. You'd have to think he'd benefit from it. As Dave Stubbs reported back in 2012….the ultimate decision for the assistant coaching appointments lies with the head coach. Something's always seemed a bit "off" when it's come to Robinson's post-career treatment in Montreal. They knew his father's health was failing, yet they waited Pat Burns HoF-style to retire Larry's #19. At least three times he's expressed the desire to return in an assistant coaching capacity. He's been either ignored, denied, or not even considered. I guess it's pretty idealistic to think that if a great coach--who commands respect and provides the inspiration factor--wants to join your staff, you say YES. Especially at the onset of the Bergevin-Therrien era. Then again, Therrien could've already promised the job to Daigneault…and there's something to be said for loyalty. Stubbs
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Post by blny on Mar 26, 2015 9:32:16 GMT -5
Mark isn't doing himself or his son any favors imo. Jarred's 23. Just. Would we all love him to be playing everyday? Yes. We also all know that the type of defender he needs to be often takes longer to become. My only real gripe would be that if the club, at some point in recent history, had seen fit to hire Robinson in ANY capacity he could have been around to mentor Jarred. Maybe, just maybe, Tinordi is an everyday player as a result. You'd have to think he'd benefit from it. As Dave Stubbs reported back in 2012….the ultimate decision for the assistant coaching appointments lies with the head coach. Something's always seemed a bit "off" when it's come to Robinson's post-career treatment in Montreal. They knew his father's health was failing, yet they waited Pat Burns HoF-style to retire Larry's #19. At least three times he's expressed the desire to return in an assistant coaching capacity. He's been either ignored, denied, or not even considered. I guess it's pretty idealistic to think that if a great coach--who commands respect and provides the inspiration factor--wants to join your staff, you say YES. Especially at the onset of the Bergevin-Therrien era. Then again, Therrien could've already promised the job to Daigneault…and there's something to be said for loyalty. Stubbs I know I was opening a door to a tangent. Suffice to say, I don't think he had to be brought in as an assistant coach in the traditional sense. Berg has spent a lot of time filling out the office with with guys to mentor the young players and help them become successful pros. Surely Robinson could have fit well in that sort of capacity.
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Post by CentreHice on Mar 26, 2015 9:36:19 GMT -5
I'm just going by the article, which indicates that the decision for assistant coach was between Daigneault and Robinson. Not only was Robinson's availability known, he was being interviewed.
And, as the article relates, his understandable delay in meeting face-to-face played a large factor in Daigneault's appointment. Therrien and/or Bergevin didn't want to wait.
From the Stubbs article:
On Sunday, from his Florida home, Robinson spoke to me for nearly an hour.
“I understand the Canadiens had to get going, they couldn’t wait,” he said, settling into the off-season with his wife, Jeannette.
“They decided, and they chose Daigneault. They had to move on in their task to improve their club.”
It’s no secret that a number of NHL clubs have expressed interest in Robinson’s coaching talents. Complicating matters with the Canadiens was the fact that he was unable in recent days to come north for a face-to-face interview, tied down in Florida dealing with the onslaught of Hurricane Debby and the torrential rains that overflowed his swimming pool and swamped the 12-acre polo farm he co-owns, stabling and training polo horses.
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Post by Skilly on Mar 26, 2015 10:02:22 GMT -5
Tinordi's dad speaking for Jared again. is he taking lessons from Bonnie? At least Jared's dad played hockey ... Bonnie just wanted the fame
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Post by Skilly on Mar 26, 2015 10:06:40 GMT -5
If I was on the fringe of the nhl, trying to make it, it would take an amputation to keep me out. I'd lie my ass off. This. It's not just hockey culture, it's any kind of sporting culture. Look at all the kids who'll take steroid to try and make it, despite all the proven health risks. 15 to 25 year olds think they're indestructible, and will do or try anything to help them make it. There was an interesting study done on NFL players. In this study players were asked if they knew they'd die young or have complications later on in life from taking steroids, but they'd have a full NFL career, would they take steroids. A great percentage chose the career over the long healthy life after playing
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Post by seventeen on Mar 26, 2015 10:36:52 GMT -5
Two intermingled stories here.
Re Tinordi, at least it explains why his last stint was appreciably worse than previous ones. That gives me some solace.
Re Robinson. He's improved the defense corps of every team he's been with. Duh. Case closed. I can't imagine not taking a few days longer, if that was indeed the case, to allow an interview with him. He's a Montreal icon for god's sake. I'd hire him interview or not.
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Post by Tankdriver on Mar 26, 2015 11:04:54 GMT -5
Since we are on a tangent, do you guys think Daigneault has done a bad job since he has been here? I think he has done pretty well and maybe by not hiring Larry, it reduces the possibility of a coaching controversy (ex: becoming head coach if things go bad).
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Post by seventeen on Mar 26, 2015 12:02:34 GMT -5
On the point of Robinson being a head coach threat. I think it's been clearly proven he has no such aspirations and has avoided that possibility everywhere he's gone since his head coaching days. I don't think he likes the job and has no interest at all in head coaching.
Hard to judge Daigneault. Markov was already good. How does one judge the job he's done with PK? It hasn't been a smooth road and he's still doing things that aren't well timed. Gorges? Tinordi? Beaulieu? Pateryn? I'm not sure there's a clear answer. We have a decent group right now, but that's probably more Bergevin's doing than Daigneault's.
If you had a young defence corps and they improved from the beginning of the season to the end, with no other changes to factor in, I think you could say the defence coach has done their job. That's certainly not the case here or not easily attributable to Daigneault. For example, Beaulieu has improved, but nothing happened with him until Gonchar showed up. Was that Daigneault's work, or Gonchar's? Pateryn has played steadily from the time he most recently came up. Is that Daigneault's doing, Lefebvre's doing, or just Pateryn coming in with confidence? It's really tough to attribute gains or not.
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Post by blny on Mar 26, 2015 12:22:09 GMT -5
I'm in agreement that Larry has stated he's got no interest in a HC position. I'll add that I recall him once stating that he would even consider a part time gig, where he's not traveling with the team all year, etc. That may have been the sticking point. Who knows. For me, to have him in the fold on even a consulting basis would be invaluable. Bring him to rookie camps, main camp, get him watching film at home, communicating with players, and several times a year his in Montreal to work with guys and in Hamilton to work with others. I don't really see how you can lose there.
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Post by CentreHice on Mar 26, 2015 13:37:39 GMT -5
I'm in agreement that Larry has stated he's got no interest in a HC position. I'll add that I recall him once stating that he would even consider a part time gig, where he's not traveling with the team all year, etc. That may have been the sticking point. Who knows. For me, to have him in the fold on even a consulting basis would be invaluable. Bring him to rookie camps, main camp, get him watching film at home, communicating with players, and several times a year his in Montreal to work with guys and in Hamilton to work with others. I don't really see how you can lose there. If Robinson's tale/opinion is true, then not only is it water well under the bridge, but I think the bridge has been burned. Not every decision made by the Berg era has been a sound one. And I'm not slamming J.J. when I say that. I'm saying when you have someone--let alone a legendary hometown player and successful coach--in your interview process, you owe him the decency of following through on it, especially under those circumstances. Maybe you fly down to see him. Of course, I don't know the whole story. Just going by the article.
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Post by GNick99 on Mar 26, 2015 16:08:26 GMT -5
Mark isn't doing himself or his son any favors imo. Jarred's 23. Just. Would we all love him to be playing everyday? Yes. We also all know that the type of defender he needs to be often takes longer to become. My only real gripe would be that if the club, at some point in recent history, had seen fit to hire Robinson in ANY capacity he could have been around to mentor Jarred. Maybe, just maybe, Tinordi is an everyday player as a result. You'd have to think he'd benefit from it. A veteran should be able to do that ie. Gonchar/Beaulieu. Sounds odd Habs never had time to wait a couple of days for Larry Robinson. More to it than that
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Post by Willie Dog on Mar 26, 2015 16:18:42 GMT -5
Mark isn't doing himself or his son any favors imo. Jarred's 23. Just. Would we all love him to be playing everyday? Yes. We also all know that the type of defender he needs to be often takes longer to become. My only real gripe would be that if the club, at some point in recent history, had seen fit to hire Robinson in ANY capacity he could have been around to mentor Jarred. Maybe, just maybe, Tinordi is an everyday player as a result. You'd have to think he'd benefit from it. A veteran should be able to do that ie. Gonchar/Beaulieu. Sounds odd Habs never had time to wait a couple of days for Larry Robinson. More to it than that Gnick.... i agree something smells here.... there is no reason why he would not be at the top of the list unless the head coach doesn't want the competition and the media comparisons. Of course Larry would be a media focal point constantly
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Post by Doc Holliday on Mar 26, 2015 17:01:47 GMT -5
It should be noted that Larry has been turned down by 2 completely different Hockey Management team in Montreal, the Gainey/Goat one and the Berg one. So maybe there is something with Robinson that doesn't make him the evident, clear cut, slam dunk acquisition that some might think. Just saying.
Tinordi is in a tough spot. He's kind of throwing his career away in Montreal. His ELC has passed and he's still not getting good NHL minutes to devellop... he has to fight guys in the AHL and he's accumulating injuries because of that... If I'm Tinordi I'd be wishing for a real chance elsewhere and his Dad is kind of pushing for that to happen.
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Post by jkr on Mar 26, 2015 17:25:32 GMT -5
Patience is something both sides need here or something rash will happen. It looks like the Habs are becoming an organization of quality that will be a contender for the long term. It's tougher to break into a lineup like that. Tinordi should look at Pateryn. He will be 25 in June, almost 18 months older than Tinordi, and is only starting to get regular NHL ice time now despite a 15 goal season in Hamilton last year.
Gonchar and likely Weaver will be gone next season and that will create more space on the blue line. He needs to take the long view.
Does Tinordi really want his father involved? Does he want that rep of a player with a meddling parent? That won't do his career any good no matter where he plays.
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Post by HFTO on Mar 26, 2015 17:50:57 GMT -5
Jkr couldn't agree more ....under contract PK,Markov,Gilbert Emelin,Beaulieu..... In the mix Pateryn and Petry.
Of this group Gilbert going into last year Pateryn still a bubble guy although I think he is right there Petry a UFA and if Emelin doesn't show himself enough to warrant 4 million a year this D line is wide open.
Pretty scary when you actually think about it as a Habs fan.The D could take a step back with inexperience depending how thing fall.
I hope the kid makes it be a real shame to see him elsewhere especially since all this turmoil surely doesn't add value in a trade.
HFTOq
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Post by Disp on Mar 26, 2015 21:06:12 GMT -5
Thought I read somewhere that Larry was a mess from the stress of coaching a few years ago. Might be doing him a favor by not bringing him to Montreal.
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Post by Willie Dog on Mar 26, 2015 21:41:25 GMT -5
Thought I read somewhere that Larry was a mess from the stress of coaching a few years ago. Might be doing him a favor by not bringing him to Montreal. Iirc it was being a head coach i think as an assistant he would be ok. ... but him in Montreal would get him loads of media attention regardless
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Post by GNick99 on Mar 27, 2015 7:03:14 GMT -5
I don't know the full story with Tinordi, but if his father keeps spouting off maybe best to trade him.
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