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Post by 24in93 on Feb 21, 2015 22:38:50 GMT -5
My first PGT!
Where would we be without Patches' scoring and Price's goaltending?
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Post by seventeen on Feb 21, 2015 22:40:16 GMT -5
Looking up at the Leafs?
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Post by Douper on Feb 21, 2015 22:44:02 GMT -5
We look like the 90's Devils. It's not like the Theodore years where he was alone. We have a ELITE scorer, a Norris Defender (2 if you count Markov) and great young talent. We are a Top 6 away from being the clear cut favorite in the East. 3 goals/game that is all we need to win the cup. Carey doesn't allow more.
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Post by stoat on Feb 21, 2015 23:06:31 GMT -5
My first PGT! Where would we be without Patches' scoring and Price's goaltending? Do you really want to aJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJwhere would any other team be withut its #1 goaltender and its #1 scorer?
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Post by Boston_Habs on Feb 22, 2015 9:40:10 GMT -5
I thought Tinordi and Pateryn looked more comfortable and will only get better with time. The injuries to Emelin and Gonchar are a huge opportunity for those guys, but especially Tinordi. Could be the makings of a solid, young, and big 3rd pair on the back end.
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Post by blny on Feb 22, 2015 9:56:52 GMT -5
I thought they went into the shell too soon. Skating teams can't stop skating. One more scorer is a must. Absolute must.
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Post by CentreHice on Feb 22, 2015 10:09:58 GMT -5
I thought they went into the shell too soon. Skating teams can't stop skating. One more scorer is a must. Absolute must. Price's GAA in his last 6 games, in which we're 5-0-1, is 1.00. All of the Ws one-goal games…as Detroit and Columbus ended in empty-netters. Tough to lose when you get that kind of goaltending. On Melnick's show last week, they were talking about a graphic that charts the location of shots….and Price has had faced far more in the prime scoring areas than has Rinne. If only MT and the crew could figure out the PP. We're still in the bottom fifth of the league...25th at 16.7%. Tampa's isn't much better….but that's no reason to feel complacent. A scorer, indeed.
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Post by blny on Feb 22, 2015 10:54:58 GMT -5
I thought they went into the shell too soon. Skating teams can't stop skating. One more scorer is a must. Absolute must. Price's GAA in his last 6 games, in which we're 5-0-1, is 1.00. All of the Ws one-goal games…as Detroit and Columbus ended in empty-netters. Tough to lose when you get that kind of goaltending. On Melnick's show last week, they were talking about a graphic that charts the location of shots….and Price has had faced far more in the prime scoring areas than has Rinne. If only MT and the crew could figure out the PP. We're still in the bottom fifth of the league...25th at 16.7%. Tampa's isn't much better….but that's no reason to feel complacent. A scorer, indeed. I think Tampa and Montreal have similar power play problems (aside from a lack of confidence in it). Each team has one true sniper: Stamkos and Pacioretty. We've got a point shot in Subban, but unless it's a 2 man advantage few point shots score on the PP. Key on the true threat, clog the passing lanes, and watch the unit with little confidence slow down and over think it. Whether it's another shooter to put out on the #1 unit, or he plays with the second unit to give the PK something to think about, it would give the opposition a lot more to think about.
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Post by seventeen on Feb 22, 2015 12:27:20 GMT -5
I think Tampa is a better coached team than the Habs. Losing Bishop would not hurt them as much as us losing Price. I suspect if we swapped coaches, we'd score about a goal per game more and they'd drop in their scoring. We could debate their lineup and our line-up for hours, but I don't see where they're any better than us. They have Stamkos, we don't. Say Hedberg and PK balance out, then the rest of our defence trumps the rest of their defence. They seem to move the puck more quickly in the offensive zone and they have more patience with the puck, so the other guys make the first move and then they react to it, opening up more scoring chances. We have more points, of course, but in a playoff situation, I'd put my money on them before us. Unfortunately, because I'd love, love, love to beat those %$#&^@'s.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 22, 2015 14:51:42 GMT -5
Hats off to Jared Tinordi for taking on Jared Boll last night ... Boll is a proven pugilist and Tinordi held his own ... it's also his second tiff since being called up ... good on Christian Thomas for getting involved too ... I like the spirit both he and Tinordi have brought with them to the show ... Pateryn seems to do well with Tinordi ... Beaulieu has earned his spot on the team regardless who comes back ... still missing Gonchar me thinks ... was relieved to see Plekanec put the game away last night ... the Blue Jackets were given an opportunity to tie it up and Pleks ended that ...
Cheers.
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Post by folatre on Feb 22, 2015 15:27:48 GMT -5
For 40 minutes, I did not love the fluidity (skating, passing) of the team last night. But I rate the way most of the boys played given there are so many inexperienced players involved.
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Post by seventeen on Feb 22, 2015 16:12:22 GMT -5
I have to think that the trade deadline is really bothering some of the players. Eller and Bournival had terrible games yesterday. Bournival blew a pass to Thomas on a 2 on 1 that he normally makes 9 out of 10 times. Eller treated the puck like a grenade. He couldn't do anything right with it. I also saw him drifting toward his normal centre spot on occasion instead of playing his left wing position. Beaulieu OTOH, knows he's not going anywhere and is playing with supreme confidence. I hope we don't make any changes before March 2nd. Unless we can pick up a young player like Huburdeau, it's not worth it to me. I don't want more older guys on the downslope or even 30 year olds who can still play now, but whose best days are behind them. Colour me picky.
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Post by Disp on Feb 22, 2015 16:42:32 GMT -5
I want another sniper, but adding more scoring isn't going to mean anything if they keep going into a shell. The guys start cheating defensively until another goal is needed. Then they open it up a bit. It's not necessarily a completely bad thing, it would be much worse the other way, but it puts a lot of pressure on the goalie. The attitude seems to be, as long as price is stopping it, why score more? They seem to just get enough goals to get by. It's really amazing that we are in the position we're in with our goals for.
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Post by Willie Dog on Feb 22, 2015 16:57:08 GMT -5
I want another sniper, but adding more scoring isn't going to mean anything if they keep going into a shell. The guys start cheating defensively until another goal is needed. Then they open it up a bit. It's not necessarily a completely bad thing, it would be much worse the other way, but it puts a lot of pressure on the goalie. The attitude seems to be, as long as price is stopping it, why score more? They seem to just get enough goals to get by. It's really amazing that we are in the position we're in with our goals for. And it drives the media and stats guys nuts because we shouldn't be where we are
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Post by CentreHice on Feb 22, 2015 17:33:49 GMT -5
Pacioretty currently leads the league in +/- at +33.
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Post by blny on Feb 22, 2015 17:44:30 GMT -5
Pacioretty currently leads the league in +/- at +33. After being +8 each of the last two seasons, he's gone to an all around level I didn't see in him. His season is worthy of the current standard for Selke consideration, but as it almost always goes to a center, I don't see it happening.
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Post by seventeen on Feb 22, 2015 19:26:22 GMT -5
The trophy was invented for a left winger.
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Post by habsorbed on Feb 23, 2015 1:12:50 GMT -5
Max's pk work has been very impressive. Gotta believe opposition coaches gotta be a little worried with Max's speed and shot when he's on the KILL.
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Post by CentreHice on Feb 23, 2015 9:44:00 GMT -5
Did Max reveal Therrien's basic philosophy….or is shell-mode for most of the game a common strategy when you're up on a team far below you?
"Tonight, with two early, you're not going to take many chances for the rest of the game," said Pacioretty, who scored his team-leading 28th and 29th goals of the season. "We were able to play a sound defensive game. That's what it takes to win."
To me, "taking chances" includes pressing and going-for-the-jugular.
I guess that explains the 2-0 leads lost to Arizona, Edmonton, and Florida…and we now know what to expect the rest of the way. i.e. More of the same.
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Post by blny on Feb 23, 2015 10:03:53 GMT -5
The trophy was invented for a left winger. Who's the last winger to win it? Jere Lehtonen in 2003. It's been a center every year since and the 3 previous. It's also given out to ppg players who happen to be all around great players. Used to be for defensive specialists.
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Post by habsorbed on Feb 23, 2015 10:50:04 GMT -5
Did Max reveal Therrien's basic philosophy….or is shell-mode for most of the game a common strategy when you're up on a team far below you? "Tonight, with two early, you're not going to take many chances for the rest of the game," said Pacioretty, who scored his team-leading 28th and 29th goals of the season. "We were able to play a sound defensive game. That's what it takes to win."To me, "taking chances" includes pressing and going-for-the-jugular. I guess that explains the 2-0 leads lost to Arizona, Edmonton, and Florida…and we now know what to expect the rest of the way. i.e. More of the same. I was thinking the same thing when I read Max's quote after the game. And it pisses me off. We simply have no idea how good this team could really be.
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Post by franko on Feb 23, 2015 11:21:13 GMT -5
Did Max reveal Therrien's basic philosophy….or is shell-mode for most of the game a common strategy when you're up on a team far below you? "Tonight, with two early, you're not going to take many chances for the rest of the game," said Pacioretty, who scored his team-leading 28th and 29th goals of the season. "We were able to play a sound defensive game. That's what it takes to win."To me, "taking chances" includes pressing and going-for-the-jugular. I guess that explains the 2-0 leads lost to Arizona, Edmonton, and Florida…and we now know what to expect the rest of the way. i.e. More of the same. MT must have taken a refresher course from the school of J Martin . . . except with JM shell-mode started with a one goal lead. unless of course it was tied in the third period -- then he went into shell-mode playing for an opposition mistake
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Post by Skilly on Feb 23, 2015 11:33:29 GMT -5
Did Max reveal Therrien's basic philosophy….or is shell-mode for most of the game a common strategy when you're up on a team far below you? "Tonight, with two early, you're not going to take many chances for the rest of the game," said Pacioretty, who scored his team-leading 28th and 29th goals of the season. "We were able to play a sound defensive game. That's what it takes to win."To me, "taking chances" includes pressing and going-for-the-jugular. I guess that explains the 2-0 leads lost to Arizona, Edmonton, and Florida…and we now know what to expect the rest of the way. i.e. More of the same. MT must have taken a refresher course from the school of J Martin . . . except with JM shell-mode started with a one goal lead. unless of course it was tied in the third period -- then he went into shell-mode playing for an opposition mistake JM = k Jell Mode
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Post by blny on Feb 23, 2015 11:34:00 GMT -5
These comments, and they way they go into a shell, seem completely contradictory to what Therrien and the staff preach during the intermissions. Watch any of 24CH last year, and you see coaches that seem to be going on about upping pace, etc.
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Post by Disp on Feb 23, 2015 11:59:44 GMT -5
These comments, and they way they go into a shell, seem completely contradictory to what Therrien and the staff preach during the intermissions. Watch any of 24CH last year, and you see coaches that seem to be going on about upping pace, etc. Yup, I remember that. This on the players, it's good that they're responsible, compare it to the 80's or the leafs , but an extra goal would be nice once and awhile. It only drives the media and stats guys nuts because they are thinking in a linear way. You can't just look at it like that. This team would probably score more if it had to. Sure they get caught with it once and awhile, but they're pretty good at coming back. Aren't we still the worst first period team in the league?
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Post by franko on Feb 23, 2015 12:26:13 GMT -5
These comments, and they way they go into a shell, seem completely contradictory to what Therrien and the staff preach during the intermissions. Watch any of 24CH last year, and you see coaches that seem to be going on about upping pace, etc. Yup, I remember that. This on the players, it's good that they're responsible, compare it to the 80's or the leafs , but an extra goal would be nice once and awhile. It only drives the media and stats guys nuts because they are thinking in a linear way. You can't just look at it like that. This team would probably score more if it had to. Sure they get caught with it once and awhile, but they're pretty good at coming back. Aren't we still the worst first period team in the league? funny that the "shell mode" (nice one, Skilly) doesn't work against the "lesser lights" but does against the teams that we consider "comparable". **except in the case of the Jackets.
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Post by seventeen on Feb 23, 2015 12:44:58 GMT -5
I didn't read Max to say that they've been instructed to take NO chances, just many chances. On the other hand, if you make one mistake, Therrien's going to ream you out with the benefit of hindsight, so you are indeed very likely to take NO chances, no matter what he says on 24CH. How a coach handles that situation goes a long way toward determining how offensive your team's character is likely to be. Anyone been a fly on the wall in the Habs dressing room to know how it turns out? (especially if the 24CH cameras are turned off)
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