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Post by CentreHice on Apr 2, 2015 22:03:04 GMT -5
I guess we're all just waiting for the playoffs.
Concerns?
Since the trade deadline, our record is: 6-6-4. And only 1 W against a playoff team.
Is Price starting to feel a little shell-shock, fatigue? Or is he dealing with a slight injury?
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Post by Skilly on Apr 2, 2015 22:32:30 GMT -5
Price isn't getting the injury excuse for the third year in a row. Our problem will be offense.
Right now if the playoffs started today, we'd be playing Pittsburgh in the first round. If Pittsburgh wins their game in hand, we'll be playing the Islanders. And we are only one point away from facing Washington or Detroit.
Crosby, Tavares, Ovechkin, Datsyuk .... We'll need offense, cause we won't be able to shut them down
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Post by franko on Apr 2, 2015 23:12:33 GMT -5
Right now if the playoffs started today, we'd be playing Pittsburgh in the first round. If Pittsburgh wins their game in hand, we'll be playing the Islanders. And we are only one point away from facing Washington or Detroit. Washington only if they drop behind Pitt and NYI into the wild card. doesn't matter who we play (unless it's Boston, I guess) -- games are going to be tough!
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Post by CentreHice on Apr 2, 2015 23:41:56 GMT -5
Price isn't getting the injury excuse for the third year in a row. Our problem will be offense. Agreed....just wondering if all the work has taken a bit of a toll. But yes...no excuse at the moment. Right now if the playoffs started today, we'd be playing Pittsburgh in the first round. If Pittsburgh wins their game in hand, we'll be playing the Islanders. And we are only one point away from facing Washington or Detroit. Crosby, Tavares, Ovechkin, Datsyuk .... We'll need offense, cause we won't be able to shut them down Yes, it's an on-going concern, to put it mildly.
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Post by habsorbed on Apr 3, 2015 2:23:37 GMT -5
I guess we're all just waiting for the playoffs. Concerns? Since the trade deadline, our record is: 6-6-4. And only 1 W against a playoff team. Is Price starting to feel a little shell-shock, fatigue? Or is he dealing with a slight injury? Should we be surprised? What exactly did MB pick up at the deadline? No offence as far as I can tell. Just 4th liners - those don't score. Petry was a good pick up but he's a D. So going back to last summer: Parenteau was to provide some offence but nada and very bad defensively. And Sekac! Don't get me going on that screw up of a trade. Whenever I see DSP in the lineup and I'm watch the game, i feel like the teacher in Ferris Bueller: "Smith Pelly?", "Smith Pelly?" "Smith Pelly"? Fact is we cannot win unless both Carey and Max are on their game. Max has gone into one of his hibernations and Carey is looking tired.
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Post by BadCompany on Apr 3, 2015 6:57:07 GMT -5
Entertaining sort of game. Obviously the message is pretty clear; stay out of the box versus the Capitals. They're pretty dangerous on the powerplay, so I hear. Some random thoughts:
* Home powerplay is now 10th in the league, clicking along at a 22% rate. If for no other reason this could be a good reason to try and get home ice advantage in the playoffs.
* That #8 guy for the Capitals... he's got a pretty good shot.
* We've now scored 3 or more goals in the last three games. Nice trend if they can keep that going into the playoffs.
* We've now given uo 5 goals in three of the last four games. Not a good trend if they keep that going into the playoffs.
* I thought Petry played a very solid game. That's the Petry I want to sign. Not the other guy.
* What is our record when we outshoot other teams? Seems to me it's not very good.
* I don't know what the league is going to do about crease-crashers, but it's not just in Montreal. I think it's going to be a major story in this year's playoffs. At least last night we finally saw some players jumping to pull Glencross of of Price, as opposed to just standing there.
* The East is going to be very wide open this year.
I thought it was a good game, with the exceptions of the penalties. And I thought two of them were pretty chintzy calls. But oh well.
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Post by jkr on Apr 3, 2015 7:10:24 GMT -5
I guess we're all just waiting for the playoffs. Concerns? Since the trade deadline, our record is: 6-6-4. And only 1 W against a playoff team. Is Price starting to feel a little shell-shock, fatigue? Or is he dealing with a slight injury? Should we be surprised? What exactly did MB pick up at the deadline? No offence as far as I can tell. Just 4th liners - those don't score. Petry was a good pick up but he's a D. So going back to last summer: Parenteau was to provide some offence but nada and very bad defensively. And Sekac! Don't get me going on that screw up of a trade. Whenever I see DSP in the lineup and I'm watch the game, i feel like the teacher in Ferris Bueller: "Smith Pelly?", "Smith Pelly?" "Smith Pelly"? Sekac wasn't scoring in MTL & he is not scoring in Anaheim. He did actually go 30 games without a goal. From what I can see he is being used the same way in Anaheim that he was being utilized by the Habs. He was not the answer to their offensive problems.
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Post by Skilly on Apr 3, 2015 7:11:45 GMT -5
When we outshoot other teams, we are 20-10-3, ... 8th best record in the league
When we are outshot by the other team we are 23-11-6 ..... 8th best record in the league
When the shots are even , we are 4-1 ..... 7th best record in the league
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Post by Skilly on Apr 3, 2015 7:22:48 GMT -5
Should we be surprised? What exactly did MB pick up at the deadline? No offence as far as I can tell. Just 4th liners - those don't score. Petry was a good pick up but he's a D. So going back to last summer: Parenteau was to provide some offence but nada and very bad defensively. And Sekac! Don't get me going on that screw up of a trade. Whenever I see DSP in the lineup and I'm watch the game, i feel like the teacher in Ferris Bueller: "Smith Pelly?", "Smith Pelly?" "Smith Pelly"? Sekac wasn't scoring in MTL & he is not scoring in Anaheim. He did actually go 30 games without a goal. From what I can see he is being used the same way in Anaheim that he was being utilized by the Habs. He was not the answer to their offensive problems. "their offensive problems"? Who? Anaheim? Anaheim didn't need Sekac for offense. They are the 5th highest scoring team in the entire league and only 7 goals from being the second highest. They have no offensive problems. But they sure have more flexibility now. Montreal does have offensive problems. And the debate around Sekac was about him not getting a chance to prove he could produce. The detractors expected him to first prove he could do it from the lower lines ... Name one that has this year? But it was Sekac that was the scapegoat and the cost to get a totally useless player. If he isn't going to hit and be effective that way, than he serves no purpose in Montreal. We had the ability to use Sekac on the top two lines, we tried everyone but him ... Now we have no options. We are forced to either split DD from Max, which Therrien we only stick with if it instantly works. Or we are forced to use offensive black holes on the top two lines. I for one would rather the Sekac option over the Parenteau option. Parenteau didn't have to prove his offensive capabilities from the third and fourth line, strange that, huh?
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Post by jkr on Apr 3, 2015 7:38:13 GMT -5
Sekac wasn't scoring in MTL & he is not scoring in Anaheim. He did actually go 30 games without a goal. From what I can see he is being used the same way in Anaheim that he was being utilized by the Habs. He was not the answer to their offensive problems. "their offensive problems"? Who? Anaheim? Anaheim didn't need Sekac for offense. They are the 5th highest scoring team in the entire league and only 7 goals from being the second highest. They have no offensive problems. But they sure have more flexibility now. Montreal does have offensive problems. And the debate around Sekac was about him not getting a chance to prove he could produce. The detractors expected him to first prove he could do it from the lower lines ... Name one that has this year? But it was Sekac that was the scapegoat and the cost to get a totally useless player. If he isn't going to hit and be effective that way, than he serves no purpose in Montreal. We had the ability to use Sekac on the top two lines, we tried everyone but him ... Now we have no options. We are forced to either split DD from Max, which Therrien we only stick with if it instantly works. Or we are forced to use offensive black holes on the top two lines. I for one would rather the Sekac option over the Parenteau option. Parenteau didn't have to prove his offensive capabilities from the third and fourth line, strange that, huh? I didn't mean Anaheim. I meant MTL. I don't want to rehash our argument. We disagree a lot on Sekac's potential. Lets leave it at that.
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Post by BadCompany on Apr 3, 2015 7:57:31 GMT -5
When we outshoot other teams, we are 20-10-3, ... 8th best record in the league When we are outshot by the other team we are 23-11-6 ..... 8th best record in the league When the shots are even , we are 4-1 ..... 7th best record in the league Well there you go. We win more games when we're even or outshot than when we are the team with the most shots.
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Post by Boston_Habs on Apr 3, 2015 8:51:08 GMT -5
That was the kind of game you want to see from the Habs and the kind we usually win. We controlled even strength shot attempts by a margin of 65-49 (that's a Corsi of 57%), we scored 3 even strength goals and a PP goal.... and lost. The Caps beat us with a devastating power play and a bad pinch by Subban that led to the first WSH goal.
Frustrating loss, but you have to take the positives. On the penalty kill, I thought we were a bit too passive and content to let the Caps throw it around in the zone, but Ovechkin is just a menace. All 4 goals by the Caps were really good plays and one was a deflection.
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Post by Disp on Apr 3, 2015 8:57:39 GMT -5
Deserved better. The caps were opportunistic and Carey was ordinary. I don't expect 4 goals against with 19 shots.
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Post by habsorbed on Apr 3, 2015 9:48:36 GMT -5
Deserved better. The caps were opportunistic and Carey was ordinary. I don't expect 4 goals against with 19 shots. We were very good 5 on 5. Special teams killed us. And 0 for 4 on SO. I like Petry and Gilbert on the points on PP. Seemed to bring something different than PK and Marky's predictable stuff. Really would like to see Eller with Chuck and Gal. Saw some Eller and Chuck in OT. Looked OK.
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Post by CentreHice on Apr 3, 2015 10:02:08 GMT -5
The Caps beat us with a devastating power play and a bad pinch by Subban that led to the first WSH goal. I contend that Subban, as he began to skate back, was interfered with/had his upper arm pulled back by a Cap player from behind, and he stumbled. Took him right out of the play. Subban, like Gallagher, is not going to get the benefit of the doubt. Gee, I wonder if the refs are going to continue to call one-way games on those two throughout the playoffs.
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Post by jkr on Apr 3, 2015 11:08:41 GMT -5
The Caps beat us with a devastating power play and a bad pinch by Subban that led to the first WSH goal. I contend that Subban, as he began to skate back, was interfered with/had his upper arm pulled back by a Cap player from behind, and he stumbled. Took him right out of the play. Subban, like Gallagher, is not going to get the benefit of the doubt. Gee, I wonder if the refs are going to continue to call one-way games on those two throughout the playoffs. I saw it that way to. He was helped down by a Caps player that looked like he was making a diving gesture as the play went on.
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Post by Boston_Habs on Apr 3, 2015 11:52:15 GMT -5
It was still a bad pinch, IMO. Jason York (who I really like as a color guy on the Rogers Sportsnet telecast) pointed out after the play that the 3 Habs forwards were too deep in the zone to help out if the pinch didn't work. Ideally you want a forward higher in the zone to cover for Subban. I agree that Subban was probably interfered with and I love his aggressiveness but that turned out to be a costly play given how anemic Washington was at even strength last night.
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Post by jkr on Apr 3, 2015 12:15:49 GMT -5
The other bad play that led to a PP goal was by Pacioretty. During a 2nd priod PK he has the puck. Rather than do the safe thing and ice it he tries to skate it out. He gets caught, gives up the puck and takes a penalty that leads to a 5 on 3. They kill that off but the Caps score on the 5 on 4.
Sometimes the simplest play is the best play. MP was probably hoping to generate a little offense & ended up costing the Habs a goal in a close game.
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Post by seventeen on Apr 3, 2015 12:48:48 GMT -5
The Caps beat us with a devastating power play and a bad pinch by Subban that led to the first WSH goal. I contend that Subban, as he began to skate back, was interfered with/had his upper arm pulled back by a Cap player from behind, and he stumbled. Took him right out of the play. Yes, but he would have had to be the Flash to have had any impact. Josephson was dumb because there was no need to hold PK. He wasn't getting back in time, so to me, I didn't care. PK was being aggressive, as I think the D were instructed. I think the marginal calls were more of an issue as was the fact we weren't winning a lot of faceoffs during the Penalty kills. Close game, could have gone either way. Galchy almost scored on his Shoot out attempt. Desharnais' shot attempt was much weaker than normal. His confidence could be really down right now.
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Post by Willie Dog on Apr 4, 2015 18:53:32 GMT -5
The sens are leading the caps 3 nothing in the first. ... amazing. I don't think we'll get out of the first round especially if we get the sens
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Post by franko on Apr 4, 2015 19:03:09 GMT -5
The sens are leading the caps 3 nothing in the first. ... amazing. I don't think we'll get out of the first round especially if we get the sens 2 PP goals 5 on 3. 3 men in the box, one comes out still 5 on 3. I think I'm being reduced to cheering for the Bruins against the Leafs (probably would have anyway) just so the Sens don't make it -- it would be insufferable here for them to make it in. I think they'd cross over. honestly, still hoping for a Florida miracle, but that would mean they'd have to take 2 from the Habs tomorrow so I gotta let that one go.
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Post by habsorbed on Apr 5, 2015 0:47:59 GMT -5
Fla is now history. Not sure who I wan to play - Pitt, Bos, Ott (Det, Wash, and maybe NYI). Pick your poison. Somehow i would take the Bruins: 1) they're not that good; 2) we get up for them; and 3) I love beating them! Problem is there is a history of the underdog winning that rivalry and man I hate losing to the Bruins.
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Post by seventeen on Apr 5, 2015 1:29:27 GMT -5
It doesn't really matter who we get. For various reasons.
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Post by Willie Dog on Apr 5, 2015 8:01:14 GMT -5
The sens are leading the caps 3 nothing in the first. ... amazing. I don't think we'll get out of the first round especially if we get the sens 2 PP goals 5 on 3. 3 men in the box, one comes out still 5 on 3. I think I'm being reduced to cheering for the Bruins against the Leafs (probably would have anyway) just so the Sens don't make it -- it would be insufferable here for them to make it in. I think they'd cross over. honestly, still hoping for a Florida miracle, but that would mean they'd have to take 2 from the Habs tomorrow so I gotta let that one go. It would be absolutely unbearable living here if the sens made the playoffs. .. let alone face the habs
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Post by franko on Apr 5, 2015 8:41:28 GMT -5
as it stands the Sens will have to leapfrog 2 teams for them to play us. that's if we stay in front of TBay.
things will be clearer . . . a week from now. until then it's just the fun of speculation and what ifs
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Post by seventeen on Apr 5, 2015 14:48:20 GMT -5
If we're afraid of Ottawa, or Tampa or the Rangers, then perhaps we should just miss the playoffs and get a better draft choice. We can't be afraid of anyone. We have to look at everyone as just one more obstacle on the way to the goal.
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