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Post by CentreHice on May 1, 2015 22:01:57 GMT -5
Tampa with one-day's rest.....and they score in double OT....
We get one lousy goal and it was a fluke.
Doesn't look good at all, boys...
Price can't score.
I don't know enough about "systems" to comment or criticize.
But the PP....our goal-scoring....dump and chase....problems all year long.
And they continue into the playoffs....
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Post by Disp on May 1, 2015 22:03:15 GMT -5
Just can't score. Did a lot right.
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Post by Douper on May 1, 2015 22:08:38 GMT -5
I don't know how you can beat a goalie like that when 3 quarter of your shots are from the perimeter. We seem to have no time to shoot in dangerous positions and when we do we elect to pass...Miss the net...or hit the goalie in the logo.
Would it not hurt to try Eller Gallagher Galchenyuk together. Put weise with patches and pleky and dd parenteau and Dr
Blew it tonight.
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Post by blny on May 1, 2015 22:09:18 GMT -5
Did a lot of things right. I think Habs carry big physical edge, and they were under Bishop's skin. Keep doing that. Do it more. Lean on them. Gallagher is taller than Johnson. Gotta hit him, whack him, etc.
Two posts, a quick whistle of our own; there were chances.
Habs did a good job checking Stamkos all night. Both goals come from the triplet line.
I haven't like most of what I've seen from Pateryn. He's not strong enough on the puck for his size. Loses too many battles, and he got outworked by a smaller player on the boards. Puck goes to middle of ice, and a well placed shot wins it.
I don't think there's any reason to throw in the towel yet.
Given the issues creating goals, and the amount of ice the top 4 is getting, I'd strongly consider putting Gonchar in on the third pair.
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Post by franko on May 1, 2015 22:11:53 GMT -5
well that was ugly.
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Post by CentreHice on May 1, 2015 22:14:09 GMT -5
Another 1-goal output.
jkr made this point in the GDT. I'll add the PP futility to it.
Vs. Ottawa Game 3: 2 goals. 0-6 PP. Game 4: 0 goals. 0-3 PP. Game 5: 1 goal. 0-3 PP. Game 6: 1 goal. 0-1 PP.
Vs. Tampa Game 1--1 goal. 0-3 PP.
TOTALS: 5 GAMES, 5 GOALS, 0-16 PP
Price has been saving this coaching staff's bacon all year long!
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Post by Anardil1 on May 1, 2015 22:24:59 GMT -5
Same old same old. Tampa is to the Habs what the Habs are to the Bruins. This is what I was talking about when I made my prediction. The Habs have the advantage only in the crease. Bigger, deeper d-corps. Deeper, bigger, quicker forwards. I know Bergevin is taking notes.
And for those that don't believe that it is important to have success in the AHL, let's look at the Bolts goal scorers. Johnson and Kucherov. Where are the Habs young up and comers? Sylvain Lefebvre is not developing any offensive talent. The Habs, and especially us, the fans who live and die with the fortunes of our Habs, are still waiting for someone other than the goalie to be the face of the team. This pop gun offence can only get you so far.
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Post by CentreHice on May 1, 2015 22:28:52 GMT -5
The linesman missed an offside leading to the OT goal.
Nice!
The SN panel just showed it.
They're saying that a Coach's Challenge would've reversed the goal.
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Post by blny on May 1, 2015 22:30:17 GMT -5
By about a foot. It's unfortunate, but the Habs had possession of the puck.
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Post by CentreHice on May 1, 2015 22:34:37 GMT -5
By about a foot. It's unfortunate, but the Habs had possession of the puck. So, the Coach's Challenge would reverse the goal only if the attacking team kept possession? Therrien is very upset.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on May 1, 2015 22:34:58 GMT -5
I remember when Halak took us deep ... we had back-to-back, seven-game series' ... I think the Habs played every second night until the end of the round 2 against Pittsburgh ... I'll have to verify that, though ... good game tonight ... Bishop played out of his mind ... couldn't do that for my fantasy pool this year, eh Ben ... putz ... good puck possession by the Habs tonight ... can't take the foot off the pedal ... need another effort like that on Sunday ... didn't know the winning goal was offside ... bad karma for the disallowed Ottawa goal ... edit: listening to Therrien and he's pleased with the effort, but he's pretty miffed about the offside ... all that aside, Tampa looked beatable tonight ... nothing scary about them ... just keep putting pucks at Bishop ... on to Game 2 ...
Cheers.
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Post by Anardil1 on May 1, 2015 22:38:35 GMT -5
By about a foot. It's unfortunate, but the Habs had possession of the puck. It's true. Therrien is sort of complaining about the missed offside. Someone should point out that the missed call did not lead directly to the goal. As you said, the Habs had possession of the puck, and coughed it up. He should talk less about the officials and should explain publicly, what he's doing to solve his 5% power play.
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Post by seventeen on May 1, 2015 22:40:00 GMT -5
I have always thought Therrien's system leads to too many turnovers and changes of possession, sometimes right in our zone. I'm not sure what the advantage is to the system he is using but he obviously feels there must be something to it. Just looking at the Lightning tonight, they came out of their end so easily sometimes, and always by using a player who was waiting close by for a short pass. It's a simple system and is used by Cooper and Babcock and numerous other coaches. It eases the stress on the D, because they have a simple option instead of a difficult, longer pass. Unfortunately, it's far too late in the season to change what we're using.
I'm quite disappointed because I honestly feel whoever won the first game in this series would win the series. We win and it sets Tampa back and destroys their "right to win" attitude. Lose and it reinforces that same attitude. The other really depressing thing is that we had chances to score. Pleks, Galchy, DeLaRose, all had good clear chances in close and didn't beat Bishop. Chicago or Anaheim probably would have a 3 goal lead at that point. We just miss or hit the goalie. That lack of scoring is a monkey on our backs and not likely to drop off.
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Post by seventeen on May 1, 2015 22:41:41 GMT -5
By about a foot. It's unfortunate, but the Habs had possession of the puck. It's true. Therrien is sort of complaining about the missed offside. Someone should point out that the missed call did not lead directly to the goal. As you said, the Habs had possession of the puck, and coughed it up. He should talk less about the officials and should explain publicly, what he's doing to solve his 5% power play. Yeah, he's back to excuses. Instead of dealing with the lack of scoring or the zone clearance system, he's blaming the refs. Not wise as the team needs no excuses and needs to ramp it up a gear.
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Post by blny on May 1, 2015 22:49:01 GMT -5
I will say, to MT's credit, that he showed a distinct willingness to completely juggle the status quo. He did that in game too. I'd still like to see Weise and the pluggers get some PP time. I'd also like to see Eller get some legit offensive time. Put him with gals, or with Max, for a period. He's so engaged, creating opportunities, and winning face offs and possession. That deserves offensive opportunities.
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Post by seventeen on May 1, 2015 23:02:40 GMT -5
We don't have a lot of natural scorers, either. One?
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2015 23:08:50 GMT -5
This is probably the largest adversity we're going to face yet as a team. How they respond will demonstrate what kind of team they are. Lose the first game in double OT? Can't really be too down.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on May 2, 2015 0:19:27 GMT -5
By about a foot. It's unfortunate, but the Habs had possession of the puck. It's true. Therrien is sort of complaining about the missed offside. Someone should point out that the missed call did not lead directly to the goal. As you said, the Habs had possession of the puck, and coughed it up. He should talk less about the officials and should explain publicly, what he's doing to solve his 5% power play. The missed call didn't lead directly to the goal, no, but I felt it did end the game ... Cheers.
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Post by habsorbed on May 2, 2015 2:58:45 GMT -5
Can't be disappointed with that game. We played well. Bishop had to pay better than Price and he did. But Bishop does seem fragile to me. We have to know we can play with TB now. We just have to finish.
Obviously the next game is huge. But i like our chances given TB has to be getting tired. As long as we keep skating.
The biggest disappointment this playoffs for me has been Markov. He is our worse dman. I've learn to accept his slowness but he now is prone to make dumb plays. No way MT sits him but i would exchange him for Gonchar. Same type of player with same strengths and weaknesses at this point in their careers. Only difference now is Gonchar would be fresh. Markov looks awful tired.
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Post by Boston_Habs on May 2, 2015 7:03:51 GMT -5
Frustrating outcome. The advanced stats were good, we controlled even strength shot attempts, but just not enough finish. It's hard to get to the prime scoring areas on the ice, but I would say we had enough good chances to win and it's probably the best we played them this year.
Desharnais was awful. A nice little player but a real problem on the top 6 for a team with Cup aspirations. We need to resolve the center issue next year and either demote or trade DD. It's a glaring issue IMO.
Agree with 17 that our zone clears are rushed at times but I actually thought Pateryn made a few nice subtle plays with the puck to give himself a better option than simply firing it off the boards. Mistakes happen in a double OT game.
Bottle that effort again in Game 2 and I like our chances but man we really needed that game. Tampa is loose and confident now for Game 2 and we have loads of pressure and are now 0-6 against them this year.
Tough.
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Post by Disp on May 2, 2015 7:27:38 GMT -5
Like Habsorbed said, Markov is a problem out there. He's got no spring in his legs. So slow to get to the puck or his man. It's frustrating him too, cause he's done quite a few non-Markov-like things when he has had time and space.
Maybe he's injured. I kind of hope it's that and not that he just can't keep up anymore.
Other than that, once again, I thought we carried the play. Tampa rode Bishop.
Some of the calls against us were pretty iffy too.
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Post by jkr on May 2, 2015 7:30:38 GMT -5
It's true. Therrien is sort of complaining about the missed offside. Someone should point out that the missed call did not lead directly to the goal. As you said, the Habs had possession of the puck, and coughed it up. He should talk less about the officials and should explain publicly, what he's doing to solve his 5% power play. The missed call didn't lead directly to the goal, no, but I felt it did end the game ... Cheers. Agreed. The whole play should have been whistled dead at the blueline. Hard to believe that two guys whose primary job is to watch the blueline can miss something so obvious. Doesn't mean the Habs win, just means the winning goal is fair.
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Post by jkr on May 2, 2015 7:33:11 GMT -5
Frustrating outcome. The advanced stats were good, we controlled even strength shot attempts, but just not enough finish. It's hard to get to the prime scoring areas on the ice, but I would say we had enough good chances to win and it's probably the best we played them this year. Desharnais was awful. A nice little player but a real problem on the top 6 for a team with Cup aspirations. We need to resolve the center issue next year and either demote or trade DD. It's a glaring issue IMO. Agree with 17 that our zone clears are rushed at times but I actually thought Pateryn made a few nice subtle plays with the puck to give himself a better option than simply firing it off the boards. Mistakes happen in a double OT game. Bottle that effort again in Game 2 and I like our chances but man we really needed that game. Tampa is loose and confident now for Game 2 and we have loads of pressure and are now 0-6 against them this year. Tough. Agree about DD. It's not size. Other small men in the league (Johnson, St. Louis, Gaudreau) are real difference makers. Desharnais just isn't close to their level.
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Post by Disp on May 2, 2015 7:45:49 GMT -5
And yet if DD's first shot goes in off the post instead of out, it's likely that we win and he'd have played much better. I know DD gets a lot of hate, but lots of nights I find he's actually one of our best players. Nobody wins every board battle. DD probably wins more than most on this team. He's more noticeable cause he's always in there digging, some guys don't even get to that point. He's always reminded me of Cliff Ronning. A good little supplementary player.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on May 2, 2015 8:10:11 GMT -5
He's always reminded me of Cliff Ronning. A good little supplementary player. Cliff Ronning ... nice comparison ... I've seen it where Desharnais' size works against him but I've also seen it work for him, too ... ref last night's game, I find it hard to point the finger at anyone on the Habs ... the only thing I'd mention might be to Galchenyuk; stay out of the friggin' box and start potting a few goals ... still, last night's effort is the kind we're going to need moving forward in this series ... the names I heard the most last night; Petry, Pateryn, Emelin, Galchenyuk, Pacioretty, Price ... I'd throw Eller in there, as well ... Cheers.
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Post by Disp on May 2, 2015 8:15:37 GMT -5
Galch is having a tough time. Last night if something could go wrong for him, it did. He picked it up as the game went on, credit to MT for sticking with him. I thought he might bench him.
Seemed to me that when he's on the left and Markov is on the ice, that side of the ice gets worked pretty hard by the Lightning in our end. It's a weak spot.
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Post by seventeen on May 2, 2015 10:54:09 GMT -5
Pros -
Best game we've had all year against Tampa Price played very well We were not outclassed
Cons
Can't score Can't score Can't score
Outlook
We're dead in the water unless:
We prolong the series. Cooper hardly used his 4th line last night, so the wear and tear on the top 3 lines is going to take a toll, if we keep the tempo high.
Overall - not much has changed from the regular season. We did a better job of exiting our zone than before and the game was tighter, but we needed a huge faux pas from Bishop to tie the game and we simply did not generate enough good chances. We had a few, but the lack of finish did us in. We are not yet a realistic Cup contender. There are guys coming who may be better scorers than guys we have and we may be able to complete a trade next year to resolve that problem, but there are no solutions today. I was hoping a win would break that Tampa hex, but no such thing. One thing to watch for is to see who steps up and tries to carry the team on their back. They'd have my vote for captain.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2015 10:54:37 GMT -5
TSN's panel is hilarious. - Bob points out that Tampa was upset about the disallowed goal. Well, tough sh*t. It's not a goal. You can't shove the goaltender into the net. Come on. - The panel asked whether or not we're in trouble. One game in, and we're in trouble. Wow. Goal scoring has been an issue all year. We've been in trouble since October.
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Post by seventeen on May 2, 2015 10:58:22 GMT -5
Galch is having a tough time. Last night if something could go wrong for him, it did. He picked it up as the game went on, credit to MT for sticking with him. I thought he might bench him. Seemed to me that when he's on the left and Markov is on the ice, that side of the ice gets worked pretty hard by the Lightning in our end. It's a weak spot. yeah, good to see him on the PP. It's good management for a team to 'pick on' whoever is having a bad game. Just like you always give the ball to a hot shooter in basketball, you should always try to force the ball to a bad shooter when they're cold. I'm wondering if Markov caught a bug and has still not recovered? Even when the speed of the game is beyond him, he's always made good decisions with the puck, but is definitely struggling now. Galchy is just trying too hard and his stick is too tight. He's been that way for a while and I believe its because he's not scoring and the pressure is getting to him because he knows the team needs him to score. If he breaks out, I predict 4 wins in a row for the Habs.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on May 2, 2015 11:02:34 GMT -5
I thought Carey should have joined the rush more.
Oh well, need to continue the forecheck and getting shots on Bishop. They will start going in, and I don't think he has anywhere near the composure that Carey has.
89 games in, and the PP is still a puzzle. Hmmmm.
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