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Post by seventeen on Sept 9, 2015 10:51:14 GMT -5
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Post by HFTO on Sept 9, 2015 20:21:13 GMT -5
More love than we've seen in a while ....cant wait to see all those same questions were going to ask get answered.
Getting close .... good to back with all you guys hope everyone had a great summer.
Go Habs
HFTO
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Post by seventeen on Sept 14, 2015 11:55:22 GMT -5
Listened to Bob McKenzie's interview with Canucks' Jim Benning about the Canucks this year. One of the discussion points was the Kassian/Prust trade. Benning's explanation was that with Prust you knew what you were getting and you would get that on a consistent basis every game. He was described as a good skater, good penalty killer and a guy who will stick up for his teammates. I think that's a fair assessment. Naturally, Benning didn't go into detail on Kassian, but the inference was that Kassian's consistency left something to be desired. We'll have to see if that is the case in Montreal. I hope he takes the next step and we could certainly use another strong right winger.
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Post by folatre on Sept 14, 2015 20:15:23 GMT -5
Maybe it depends on how he looks at Prust skating versus similar 3rd or 4th line warrior type. In a more open evaluation, I do not consider him a good skater. But I love him as a character guy who also defends his mates, a PK and grinder.
Kassian, who knows. He is younger and better upside for potential top six duty. It seems worth the risk. But injuries and inconsistency are real issues.
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Post by habsorbed on Sept 15, 2015 1:29:36 GMT -5
Nothing new on Kassian. The knock on his pro career has always been you never knew who was going to show up. At times he could dominate a game and was a fan favourite with the Canucks. Other times he was invisible for long stretches despite his size. He was very frustrating. No secret MB's hope is that it is merely a maturation process and the big guy is ready to hit the big time in La Grande Ville!
TSN posted their top 300 scorers. They have the Gals with equal points (49) but with Brendan getting more goals than Chucky. I'm thinking (hoping) Chucky will have more goals and assists than BGal. Better take TSN pundits with a grain of salt as they have McDavid as the 15th leading scorer in the league with 70 points. What are these guys smoking - perhaps their own hype. They also have Semin at 201 overall with 37 points. I'm betting Semin gets more points than McWonderkid!
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Post by Boston_Habs on Sept 15, 2015 8:03:51 GMT -5
TSN posted their top 300 scorers. They have the Gals with equal points (49) but with Brendan getting more goals than Chucky. I'm thinking (hoping) Chucky will have more goals and assists than BGal. Better take TSN pundits with a grain of salt as they have McDavid as the 15th leading scorer in the league with 70 points. What are these guys smoking - perhaps their own hype. They also have Semin at 201 overall with 37 points. I'm betting Semin gets more points than McWonderkid! I find the TSN projections to be instructive in that they give you the unbiased view of outsiders. In fact, I'm sure it's even less personal than that with the projections generated by a computer using historic data. We tend to overrate our own players, but in the end the Habs have consistently come up short in terms of production. Here is what TSN has for goals for the Habs top forwards: Pacioretty - 34 Plekanec - 24 Gallagher - 24 Galchenyuk - 21 Desharnais - 15 Semin - 14 Eller - 14 Think of it as the over/under. Ordinarily I would take the over on Patches, but with his injury 34 goals sounds about right. 24 goals for Pleks and Gallagher also sounds about right. I love BGal, but IMO he's a 25 goal guy and not a 30 goal guy. Galchenyuk is the one guy where I would take the over on 21 goals, but therein underlies a HUGE part of our success this season. Galchenyuk simply HAS to step it up this year and get close to 30 goals. The other guys sound about right, and I would be thrilled with 14 goals from Semin for $1 million.
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Post by Polarice on Sept 15, 2015 8:40:06 GMT -5
Goal totals look about right....I don't expect much more. A lot is going to depend on our power play, if it goes back to normal then we should get an extra 15 to 20 goals for the season. And what about the 3 on 3 overtime? We have some pretty good puck moving Dmen that should be able to take advantage of the open ice. Maybe get us an extra 5 goals. What about Kassian....he's good for 10 to 15 goals. Say he gets 15...thats 10 more than Prust. Just a few tweaks and we could find another 20 to 30 goals, that's gotta add up to a few more wins than last year.
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Post by franko on Sept 15, 2015 9:22:51 GMT -5
And what about the 3 on 3 overtime? do those count as goals? I'm hoping having Petry for the season ups the GF a titch and knocks the GA down . . . or helps Carey to keep it the same.
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Post by Polarice on Sept 15, 2015 9:48:44 GMT -5
I assume they do....just the shoot out goals don't count as far as I know.
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Post by BadCompany on Sept 15, 2015 10:44:05 GMT -5
Goal totals look about right....I don't expect much more. A lot is going to depend on our power play, if it goes back to normal then we should get an extra 15 to 20 goals for the season. And what about the 3 on 3 overtime? We have some pretty good puck moving Dmen that should be able to take advantage of the open ice. Maybe get us an extra 5 goals. What about Kassian....he's good for 10 to 15 goals. Say he gets 15...thats 10 more than Prust. Just a few tweaks and we could find another 20 to 30 goals, that's gotta add up to a few more wins than last year. And that's the drum I keep beating... I agree with BH and by extension TSN in their goal predictions, though like BH I think Galchenyuk can and will be higher. The others are coin tosses; Pacioretty might be higher, Semin lower, that kind of thing. But the real increase in goals should come from the other players. Kassian scores more than Prust. Mitchell scores more than Malhotra. Petry scores more than Weaver. I know it's not a one-to-one relationship in terms of roles and ice time (especially Petry and Weaver)... but it's not that far off either. On paper more goals came into the lineup than left it. I think that's where the improvement will come from. Not from any one individual suddenly exploding, or anything like that.
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Post by franko on Sept 15, 2015 11:16:33 GMT -5
I assume they do....just the shoot out goals don't count as far as I know. right. thanks.
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Post by seventeen on Sept 15, 2015 12:36:41 GMT -5
I think McDavid will get 70 points. Habsorbed, if he were on the Habs, could you see him scoring 70 points? Wait, forget I said that. "Hey, McDavid, you know what da hell "chip" means?!"
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Post by Boston_Habs on Sept 15, 2015 12:51:30 GMT -5
On paper more goals came into the lineup than left it. I think that's where the improvement will come from. Not from any one individual suddenly exploding, or anything like that. I agree with that. When I think about Bergevin's summer, he clearly wanted to raise the offensive ceiling of this team without taking a lot of risks or big contracts. Kind of an obvious statement, but it bears mentioning. Berg is clearly hoping that the additions of Kassian, Semin, and a full year of Petry together with improvements from a guy like Galchenyuk will allow us to raise our goal totals by committee instead of relying on any one player. It's worth a try. On paper, this team SHOULD score more than they did last year. Kassian should score more than Prust, Mitchell should score more than Malhotra, Semin more than Parenteau, etc. More contributions from Petry and Beaulieu should improve the overall flow, possession, and offensive opportunities. It will be a very interesting year. Kind of make or break, really. I would say Pacioretty and Price are late into their primes, while Subban is right in the middle of his prime. Then you have Markov and Pleks in the twilight of their careers.... the window for this group isn't going to stay open much longer. Berg can't keep saying "we're not there yet". And all this goes for Therrien as well. Berg has handed him a roster that should outperform last year's, at least in terms of goals. They need to deliver.
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Post by seventeen on Sept 15, 2015 13:03:08 GMT -5
We should also keep our fingers crossed that we stay as healthy as we did last year. Injuries can undo a lot of expectations.
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Post by habsorbed on Sept 15, 2015 23:12:05 GMT -5
On paper more goals came into the lineup than left it. I think that's where the improvement will come from. Not from any one individual suddenly exploding, or anything like that. I agree with that. When I think about Bergevin's summer, he clearly wanted to raise the offensive ceiling of this team without taking a lot of risks or big contracts. Kind of an obvious statement, but it bears mentioning. Berg is clearly hoping that the additions of Kassian, Semin, and a full year of Petry together with improvements from a guy like Galchenyuk will allow us to raise our goal totals by committee instead of relying on any one player. It's worth a try. On paper, this team SHOULD score more than they did last year. Kassian should score more than Prust, Mitchell should score more than Malhotra, Semin more than Parenteau, etc. More contributions from Petry and Beaulieu should improve the overall flow, possession, and offensive opportunities. It will be a very interesting year. Kind of make or break, really. I would say Pacioretty and Price are late into their primes, while Subban is right in the middle of his prime. Then you have Markov and Pleks in the twilight of their careers.... the window for this group isn't going to stay open much longer. Berg can't keep saying "we're not there yet". And all this goes for Therrien as well. Berg has handed him a roster that should outperform last year's, at least in terms of goals. They need to deliver. I agree that it's worth a try and i'm looking forward to the try. I don't agree Carey and Max are late into their primes. In fact i don't think either has peaked. Which is why I can tolerate MB's strategy. Sure it would be nice to strike while Markov and Pleks can still contribute both because they can provide help and they're both lifetime Habs. But they are both on the downside now and in my mind are replaceable if this year's strategy doesn't pan out.
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Post by habsorbed on Sept 15, 2015 23:15:31 GMT -5
I think McDavid will get 70 points. Habsorbed, if he were on the Habs, could you see him scoring 70 points? Wait, forget I said that. "Hey, McDavid, you know what da hell "chip" means?!" It's too difficult to determine point totals this season, particularly with the new 3 on 3 which will pad most offensive players' stats. But i'll make you a gentlemen's wager that McD will not be in the top 20 of league scoring.
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Post by seventeen on Sept 16, 2015 1:54:29 GMT -5
I think McDavid will get 70 points. Habsorbed, if he were on the Habs, could you see him scoring 70 points? Wait, forget I said that. "Hey, McDavid, you know what da hell "chip" means?!" It's too difficult to determine point totals this season, particularly with the new 3 on 3 which will pad most offensive players' stats. But i'll make you a gentlemen's wager that McD will not be in the top 20 of league scoring. I'd take you on, but I'm not a gentleman. But regardless, sure, I'll say McD will be in the top 20 in league scoring. Bragging rights to the winner.
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Post by habsorbed on Sept 16, 2015 9:59:55 GMT -5
It's too difficult to determine point totals this season, particularly with the new 3 on 3 which will pad most offensive players' stats. But i'll make you a gentlemen's wager that McD will not be in the top 20 of league scoring. I'd take you on, but I'm not a gentleman. But regardless, sure, I'll say McD will be in the top 20 in league scoring. Bragging rights to the winner. That's the irony of a "gentlemen's bet" - it's when there is money to be paid by a lost wager that you find out who is a gentleman and who is a rogue. Being the gentleman I am, I should forewarn you that I am not beyond bragging at the quarterly marks, if not monthly, throughout the season. But i don't want to hear any whining when McD goes pointless for a streak or is SENT DOWN AFTER 9 GAMES
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Post by seventeen on Sept 16, 2015 11:42:22 GMT -5
Done.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Sept 17, 2015 9:06:58 GMT -5
... I'm not a gentleman ... Could have fooled me ... just sayin' ... Cheers.
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Post by stoat on Sept 19, 2015 20:16:48 GMT -5
I'm not dissatisfied with the Habs. I think they have a very good team. The only thing that concerns me is that certain other teams have made greater improvements. Of course, the preason games havn't begun and we may see some of the prospects make us take notice.
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