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Post by PTH on Jan 28, 2003 19:03:56 GMT -5
where was it reported Chow came in camp out of shape? Everything about his being sent down to the AHL was meant "to put him back in shape" - he'd gotten enough ice time to be in game shape, IMO. I think the problem early on was just that he wasn't in shape - not really game shape at least.
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 28, 2003 19:04:44 GMT -5
Everything about his being sent down to the AHL was meant "to put him back in shape" - he'd gotten enough ice time to be in game shape, IMO. I think the problem early on was just that he wasn't in shape - not really game shape at least. don't forget he suffered a pulled groin or something at the end of TC...
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Jan 28, 2003 19:10:03 GMT -5
Everything about his being sent down to the AHL was meant "to put him back in shape" - he'd gotten enough ice time to be in game shape, IMO. I think the problem early on was just that he wasn't in shape - not really game shape at least. The problem, judging by Czerkawski's comments throughout the course of the season, was clearly and without a doubt Therrien. The club, including Czerkawski, is undeniably playing better without Michel.
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Post by PTH on Jan 28, 2003 19:11:37 GMT -5
I think that we should be able to pick up a decent pick or player from a Nash or some one who could use a offensive weapon. Might work if we had some offense to spare. Who do you think they would want ? The guys who can be traded or fairly minor in value - Sundstrom, Bulis, Dackell, Ribeiro are at best complementary players, but not "offensive weapons". I'd venture that none is worth a 3d round pick right now. And if you were thinking of Chow, he cleared waivers, so clearly no one wants him, and we can't expect that to change until he puts up some numbers. Chow is a winger and we already had too many RW's especially, so the Koivu situation doesn't have much of an impact. Well, this isn't an easy team to coach. AS has assembled quite a few players who aren't exactly known for their hustle or for their defensive intensity. Perreault, Petrov, Audette and Chow are all defensively suspect - which is largely the reason we got 3 of them on the cheap. Let's see if CJ can keep them honest for more than a dozen games. Being put in a position to make big goofs and get booed isn't a winning formula either, BTW It's the nature of the beast that sometimes you give up on someone who blooms elsewhere, it's happened to everyone. If anything, MT was good at not shutting out players who were ready to work out. He got Markov and Zed going. It's not like AV who cost us Bure and Tucker... He had to give him ice time somewhere, right? It was worth a shot.
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Post by PTH on Jan 28, 2003 19:16:46 GMT -5
The problem, judging by Czerkawski's comments throughout the course of the season, was clearly and without a doubt Therrien. The club, including Czerkawski, is undeniably playing better without Michel. Chow has a reputation of not being an easy guy to fit into a team, I wouldn't take his word for much...
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Jan 28, 2003 20:29:38 GMT -5
Chow has a reputation of not being an easy guy to fit into a team, I wouldn't take his word for much... He's fitting in just fine right now.
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jan 28, 2003 21:52:21 GMT -5
Chow has a reputation of not being an easy guy to fit into a team, I wouldn't take his word for much... Aside from a lot of talking and some showboat AHL level manoeuvres on the ice, he hasn't done much since his "big return" anyway.
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Post by spozzy on Jan 29, 2003 0:29:23 GMT -5
Aside from a lot of talking and some showboat AHL level manoeuvres on the ice, he hasn't done much since his "big return" anyway. Not only is he entertaining, he also applies a lot of pressure on the opposing team's defence. He's working hard and often even looks like (and is?) the best player on the ice (Theodore and Markov aside). His return has been a huge boost to this team.
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Post by seventeen on Jan 29, 2003 1:37:09 GMT -5
Back to Brisebois and his contract. I am reminded of a BC supreme court judge who can't stop smoking. She demanded and received a special air conditioning system to clean her office air, since smoking is not allowed in public buildings in BC. She threatened to resign if this $18,000 system wasn't installed. I would have rushed to her aid with a ready made resignation letter. Same thing with Brisebois. While he has some attributes, he also usually is a liability in our zone and this latest string of non-losses has not changed that. 4MM? Pesos maybe. Lira more like it. I would expect Stephane Robida, for example to have no worse a +/- than Brisebois, if he had played the same minutes. I never minded Robidas as a replacement for PB. While Robidas' size caused problems, it was no worse than the taller, but physically weaker Brisebois. I noticed in a recent game (the one before Ottawa) that SR was +3. Interesting.
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jan 29, 2003 7:44:35 GMT -5
Not only is he entertaining, he also applies a lot of pressure on the opposing team's defence. He's working hard and often even looks like (and is?) the best player on the ice (Theodore and Markov aside). His return has been a huge boost to this team. If you're serious about Chow being our best forward then we're obviously not talking about the same Czerkawski. On the offensive blowout of yesterday he managed one shot...
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Jan 29, 2003 8:39:45 GMT -5
If you're serious about Chow being our best forward then we're obviously not talking about the same Czerkawski. On the offensive blowout of yesterday he managed one shot... He also was directly reponsible for a couple of our powerplays by drawing two penalties (one, a hook by Majesky, the other a crosscheck from I Can't Remember). The effort is there. The goals will come.
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Post by AH on Jan 29, 2003 9:31:10 GMT -5
back to Nolan ...
For the amount of output Nolan gives, his contract is worse than Audette's. Heck, I would go as far as to say his contract is worse than Martin Lapointe's ..
Needless to say I wouldn't touch this guy with a pole created of Audette, Dykhuis, and other junk. I don't care if he is a power forward ... his 6.5 million for the next THREE years make him untradeable ...
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jan 29, 2003 11:12:56 GMT -5
He also was directly reponsible for a couple of our powerplays by drawing two penalties (one, a hook by Majesky, the other a crosscheck from I Can't Remember). The effort is there. The goals will come. I'll give you that, as a cross check receiving dummy he's the best, bar none. ;D
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Post by spozzy on Jan 29, 2003 16:36:25 GMT -5
If you're serious about Chow being our best forward then we're obviously not talking about the same Czerkawski. On the offensive blowout of yesterday he managed one shot... I never said Chow is our best forward. However, save for his mild performance yesterday, he has been right up there since he came back from Hamilton. What I was actually talking about was that, taking into consideration all players on the ice during Czerkawski's shift, Chow frequently looks to be the best player (forward). He is the one making an impact and applying pressure on the opposing D. Yes, it would be much better for us if he started scoring more goals..but his presence on the ice is very valuable since he forces the other team work (and sometimes, take penalties ).
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Post by spozzy on Jan 29, 2003 16:44:42 GMT -5
Back to Brisebois and his contract. I am reminded of a BC supreme court judge who can't stop smoking. She demanded and received a special air conditioning system to clean her office air, since smoking is not allowed in public buildings in BC. She threatened to resign if this $18,000 system wasn't installed. I would have rushed to her aid with a ready made resignation letter. Same thing with Brisebois. While he has some attributes, he also usually is a liability in our zone and this latest string of non-losses has not changed that. 4MM? Pesos maybe. Lira more like it. I would expect Stephane Robida, for example to have no worse a +/- than Brisebois, if he had played the same minutes. I never minded Robidas as a replacement for PB. While Robidas' size caused problems, it was no worse than the taller, but physically weaker Brisebois. I noticed in a recent game (the one before Ottawa) that SR was +3. Interesting. SR is on a team which has scored 55 more goals than they've allowed. There are only 3 players in the minuses on Dallas, the top team in the West. Further, SR provides ZERO offence. What the heck are you thinking about suggesting him as a replacement for PB? (By the way, PB had a goal, an assist, and led the team with +3 yesterday)
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 29, 2003 17:04:39 GMT -5
Robidas? the same Robidas who never looked the same without Weinrich? I mean like does it matter what he is doing in Dallas? like spozzy says...they score tons of goals, give up few...no wonder his +/- looks so good compared to Briser..
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Post by BadCompany on Jan 29, 2003 21:07:46 GMT -5
I love how guys who are good enough to take regular shifts for the best team in the NHL aren't good enough to play for our "depth-ridden" team...
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Post by TheHabsfan on Jan 29, 2003 21:12:37 GMT -5
SR is on a team which has scored 55 more goals than they've allowed. There are only 3 players in the minuses on Dallas, the top team in the West. Further, SR provides ZERO offence. What the heck are you thinking about suggesting him as a replacement for PB? (By the way, PB had a goal, an assist, and led the team with +3 yesterday) Ok...let's see.. His goal last night was his first in 34 games. He now has 4 goals so far and if he keeps going the way that he is, he is forecasted to get 7 this season...that works out to $571,428.57 per goal ... He is paid to be the #1 offensive defenseman of this team. HARDLY, a wise investment. Oh, and please tell me that he isn't only there for his offense...PLEASE TELL ME.... Just because Breezy had one good night, I am not about to forget about the previous 52. When Breezy is able to give me a full year with good +/- and good point production, I will say that he is worth the money...until then, he should give us a refund. IMO
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 29, 2003 21:19:09 GMT -5
I love how guys who are good enough to take regular shifts for the best team in the NHL aren't good enough to play for our "depth-ridden" team... just like Christian LaFlamme logging regular ice time for the Blues?
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Post by Thanatos on Jan 29, 2003 22:03:14 GMT -5
... I am reminded of a BC supreme court judge who can't stop smoking. She demanded and received a special air conditioning system to clean her office air, since smoking is not allowed in public buildings in BC. She threatened to resign if this $18,000 system wasn't installed. ... Please, tell me she didn't get it. Canada has always seemed a much more stable and practical country to me, without that type of waste and foolishness some of my fellow Americans seem to enjoy propagating. Please don't disappoint me, it's not like there's all that many unsullied countries left to look up to. ;D
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Post by spozzy on Jan 29, 2003 22:18:58 GMT -5
Ok...let's see.. His goal last night was his first in 34 games. He now has 4 goals so far and if he keeps going the way that he is, he is forecasted to get 7 this season...that works out to $571,428.57 per goal ... He is paid to be the #1 offensive defenseman of this team. HARDLY, a wise investment. Oh, and please tell me that he isn't only there for his offense...PLEASE TELL ME.... Just because Breezy had one good night, I am not about to forget about the previous 52. When Breezy is able to give me a full year with good +/- and good point production, I will say that he is worth the money...until then, he should give us a refund. IMO If you watched hockey last year, you'd know that Brisebois was definitely our best defenseman...by a significant margin. Further, the "full year with good +/- and good point production" came last year as well. Although his points (goals) were down sharply compared the year before, his defense was mostly solid. Finally, you even completely disregard the circumstances surrounding his signing. Certainly, I too was not pleased to learn that he give was given a hefty salary AND a no-trade clause...but I guess AS felt that we might have lost Brisebois otherwise (actually, I believe a factor in AS giving the no-trade clause was that he thought this might help hush the constant booers since booing became immediately pointless). And THIS, would have been horrible for us last year. I'm sure other people here can recall how negatively our team's performance was effected last year when Brisebois got sidelined with an injury.
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Post by seventeen on Jan 29, 2003 22:31:33 GMT -5
I love how guys who are good enough to take regular shifts for the best team in the NHL aren't good enough to play for our "depth-ridden" team... Thanks BC. I thought that suggestion would raise some hackles. I firmly believe we'd notice no difference on the ice, but about $3MM+ difference in the bank. Put Robidas with Markov and presto, a guy good enough for the 2nd tier Team Canada (the ones that miss the playoffs).
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Post by seventeen on Jan 29, 2003 22:33:28 GMT -5
Please, tell me she didn't get it. Sorry, we have our share of very foolish politicians in BC as well. She got it. She's still drudging away. If I ever end up in her court room, I'll bring my fire extinguisher.
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Post by JohnnyVerdun on Jan 29, 2003 22:34:30 GMT -5
Somebody would absolutely have paid Brisebois the same money or close to it, especially after the solid year he had defensively. If we had the depth these days to consistently use Markov and Brisebois as a pairing -- and we may do it anyway -- you'd see Brisebois look as solid as he did last year in his own end and still put up better numbers than he has of late.
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Post by TheHabsfan on Jan 29, 2003 22:35:08 GMT -5
If you watched hockey last year, you'd know that Brisebois was definitely our best defenseman...by a significant margin. Further, the "full year with good +/- and good point production" came last year as well. Although his points (goals) were down sharply, his defense was mostly solid. Finally, you even completely disregard the circumstances surrounding his signing. Certainly, I too was not pleased to learn of that give was given a hefty salary AND a no-trade clause...but I guess AS felt that we might have lost Brisebois otherwise. And THIS, would have been horrible for us last year. I'm sure other people here can recall how negatively our team's performance was effected last year when Brisebois got sidelined with an injury. 2 years ago, Breezy was one of the worst in the league in +/- and had relatively good point production. Last year, he made huge strides to fix up his +/- and his offensive production took a hit. That's fine and I think that he brings more to the team when he is responsible defensively. Was PB our best D last year? Sure he was. But look at the rest of them...what does that tell you? Is he the best this year? Not by a long shot. Is he worth 4 M? Do I expect to be taken seriously? Maybe ... Maybe not...It's my opinion and I find that the best way to get debate on a subject is to raise some points that are sometimes a bit controversial ... so what? cheers
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Post by PTH on Jan 29, 2003 22:35:14 GMT -5
Finally, you even completely disregard the circumstances surrounding his signing. Certainly, I too was not pleased to learn of that give was given a hefty salary AND a no-trade clause... Well said.... we all wish we had someone better than PB to spend the cash on, but who could we have acquired (reasonably) to spend the cash on ? Would we really be a better team if we'd traded, say, Bulis and a 2nd rounder for a Brisebois-caliber defenseman(and even that would be a really good deal), and let Breezer go for free ?
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Post by UberCranky on Jan 29, 2003 22:41:33 GMT -5
Spozzy and TheHabsfan. Cool down and stop attacking each other.
Can you please post your opinions without tossing assorted cutlery.
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Post by TheHabsfan on Jan 29, 2003 22:45:34 GMT -5
Spozzy and TheHabsfan. Cool down and stop attacking each other. Can you please post your opinions without tossing assorted cutlery. Not a problem ... I agree to disagree. cheers,
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