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Post by Habsolution on Jan 23, 2003 20:42:14 GMT -5
Bruins would not trade McLaren to us AS just said it.......... and he just added it was very likely we would have received nothing for Hack Never were alot of offers for Hackett God, wouldn't it have been better to deal Hackett 2-3 seasons ago instead of waiting so damn long? You seem to forget he got injured everytime it was time to trade him
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jan 23, 2003 20:43:50 GMT -5
Deal him when he was hurt for the last 2 years or before JT could string 2 strong games together. The other side we all seem to forget is how angry we would have gotten at AS if Hackett would have been hurt in practise tomorrow...than we would have gotten nothing Maritimer, Keeping Hack and losing him for nothing is better then having Hack in Boston and Sundstom here... ...
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Jan 23, 2003 20:43:57 GMT -5
I certainly wasn't thinking Sundstrom, though the way San Jose was getting scored on lately, I didn't rule them out re Hackett. Didn't think they'd ship him out right away though. I was initially disappointed, not because of the return, but when you hear that Hackett, McLaren and Jillson are involved in a 3 way deal (which wasn't really), then sugar plums dance in your head. But reality sets in. Forget Boston. The Habs got a 3rd round pick for Hackett, basically what many people thought was all we could get. We hoped for more, but a 3rd, maybe a 2nd was all that was realistic. We also get Sundstrom. Ok, we have a good defensive winger who can kill penalties. Perhaps Pam can give us the scoop on his character. Is he really soft, or just not a banger? We can't impose conditions on a deal, or chances are, it falls through. Do we really think SJ would take Hackett from us for Sundstrom and a 3rd, period? No, they wanted McLaren. If Savard says, I'll deal Hack, but you can't move him to Boston, the deal doesn't go through. The ultimate question is....could Hackett have been dealt for more, either now or later. I'm not so sure his value wasn't maximized. It's not a swap I feel uncomfortable with, though a tough guy would have been good. From Boston's standpoint, they did very well. Jillson could become very good. I think Hainsey and Komi will be better, because I think they're more responsible in their own end. But I haven't seen Jillson play enough to form a good opinion. Pam? Where are you? Remember, that Hackett is a rental for Boston. They are not going to resign him. Jacobs is too cheap. So for Boston, it boils down to Mclaren and a 4th for Jillson and a rental. Great rental, and it solidifies a playoff spot for Boston (unless Hackett really dislikes Ftorek, or there's mass confusion on the ice whenever someone yells "Jeff!" With SJ picking up $1million of Sundstroms $1.8million salary, as per Sportsnet, we are basically getting Niklas for free for the balance of the season. That and we save roughly $1.8million in Hackett's salary for the rest of the season. Money honey. André just made nice with Uncle George's wallet. And after the Therrien, Audette and Czerkawski write-offs this season, that's a nice brownie for André to put in the cookie jar.
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 23, 2003 20:44:52 GMT -5
How about in 1999-2000?
That late playoff run that year may have just cost us big time today....
I am CONVINCED you could have received a very solid player for Hackett back then.....before the injuries...
But then again Houle was the GM back then
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 23, 2003 20:45:41 GMT -5
With SJ picking up $1million of Sundstroms $1.8million salary, as per Sportsnet, we are basically getting Niklas for free for the balance of the season. That and we save roughly $1.8million in Hackett's salary for the rest of the season. Money honey. . It's 25% of Sundstrom's salary...not 1 million...from AS's mouth....
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Post by Habsolution on Jan 23, 2003 20:48:20 GMT -5
Maritimer, Keeping Hack and losing him for nothing is better then having Hack in Boston and Sundstom here... ... Forget about sundstrom ... the 3rd pic is what's important. We could get something good out of it. The thing is that Hack was headed for Boston. He is not a factor this year ... maybe he'll be next year though. But he would have signed with the bruins anyway if they had not found a better goalie. It was written in the sky JH would land in Boston ... I REPEAT : HACKETT IS NOT GOING TO BE A FACTOR AGAINST US. We only have 2 more games with Boston. And it's not likely we would have face dthem in the playoffs until the conference finals if both teams had gotten through
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Post by Gord on Jan 23, 2003 20:49:17 GMT -5
You're forgetting one other critical factor here.. If Mathieu Garon does not play 12 games in the NHL this year, we lose him for nothing as a free-agent this summer. So, had AS stayed put and kept Hackett after the deadline, not only do we lose the Hacker, but we lose Garon as well.
I'm sure he would have preferred Hack go somewhere else where we won't have to face him so much, but hey, it's a pretty darned good return we got for a guy who's an UFA this summer. There are people, after all, that said we'd be lucky to get a 4th rounder for Hackett. We got a former first round draftee, a 3rd rounder, and saved some cash on the salaries.. Not too shabby, if you ask me.
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Post by Habsolution on Jan 23, 2003 20:50:05 GMT -5
You're forgetting one other critical factor here.. If Mathieu Garon does not play 12 games in the NHL this year, we lose him for nothing as a free-agent this summer. So, had AS stayed put and kept Hackett after the deadline, not only do we lose the Hacker, but we lose Garon as well. I'm sure he would have preferred Hack go somewhere else where we won't have to face him so much, but hey, it's a pretty darned good return we got for a guy who's an UFA this summer. There are people, after all, that said we'd be lucky to get a 4th rounder for Hackett. We got a former first round draftee, a 3rd rounder, and saved some cash on the salaries.. Not too shabby, if you ask me. Think we can play Garon for 12 games ? With this playoffs run for the 2 last spots ... It's going to be hard for us to play him that much
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Post by Viper on Jan 23, 2003 20:50:06 GMT -5
God, wouldn't it have been better to deal Hackett 2-3 seasons ago instead of waiting so damn long? ;D ;D ;Dgrand prize winner
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 23, 2003 20:50:22 GMT -5
AS:
If We wanted McLaren...Komi was the price......
I say no THANKS!
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Post by AH on Jan 23, 2003 20:51:12 GMT -5
Marc, I think you are totally freaking out !!! In this league, everyone knows what everyone else is up to.
Do you not think that AS's antennas went up the minute SJ wanted Hackett in the first place, considering their starter is better and younger than Hack and they have a couple of good prospects in net as well. If Hack was an expensive backup in MTL, then he was the same in SJ.
Boston was in on this all along and AS knew abou this.
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Post by TheHabsfan on Jan 23, 2003 20:51:53 GMT -5
While I agree that Hack's status as a UFA wasn't going to bring us much in return by himself, I am very disappointed that we didn't get something we needed. We didn't need another 3rd line forward. We need a tough left D ... Hackett was our only good bargaining chip to land such a player. We will have to spend the rest of the season looking at Traverse cough it up. Hackett was a great player for the habs and he will be dearly missed by me. I think honnestly that he was wasted. I have a hard time accepting that AS settles for what others offer. I can't and won't believe that Sundstrom and a 3rd was the best he could do. At least, he could have packaged him and got a good D. Now what do we do? Wait for Komo? That is at least 2 years away and even then, he won't be dominant for a few years. Not happy!
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 23, 2003 20:52:00 GMT -5
Think we can play Garon for 12 games ? With this playoffs run for the 2 last spots ... It's going to be hard for us to play him that much It doesn't matter He is up now...he feels like he is wanted He will re-sign IMO. He knows he won't get a number 1 job immediately.
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 23, 2003 20:52:45 GMT -5
Marc, I think you are totally freaking out !!! In this league, everyone knows what everyone else is up to. It's the Boston part that freaks me out! We better not face them in the playoffs.......
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Post by Maritimer on Jan 23, 2003 20:53:05 GMT -5
Sorry folks Sportsnet mentioned it being 1mil between periods of the Sens game.
Doc...I see where you are coming from but to me if it wasn't Hackett maybe the Bruins picked up Manny Fernandez or Jamie Storr. Geez TO rode Schwab down the stretch last year into the the playoffs.
Boston could have found another goalie. The fact that Deano sacrificed his future for Mclaren is out of our hands.
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 23, 2003 20:55:04 GMT -5
Maritimer...AS said 25% of Sunds salary...not a million.....
So why is McLaren not a Hab:
Because Hainsey and Komi are that good in AS's eyes.
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jan 23, 2003 20:55:25 GMT -5
Forget about sundstrom ... the 3rd pic is what's important. We could get something good out of it. The thing is that Hack was headed for Boston. He is not a factor this year ... maybe he'll be next year though. But he would have signed with the bruins anyway if they had not found a better goalie. It was written in the sky JH would land in Boston ... I REPEAT : HACKETT IS NOT GOING TO BE A FACTOR AGAINST US. We only have 2 more games with Boston. And it's not likely we would have face dthem in the playoffs until the conference finals if both teams had gotten through That's hilarious... a 3rd is important !!! Do you know what the odds are for a 3rd pick to become anything significant in the NHL... As for the Bruins, I agree we won't meet them in the playoffs because we won't be in the playoffs.
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Post by PTH on Jan 23, 2003 20:56:24 GMT -5
Damn you Savard for having us believe in you so freakin much. How can he let this happen? Marc, you should just be angry at yourself for thinking we could do much better. Last summer I thought Hack could clear waivers..... now we get a decent enough pick and a youngish player who can still do well enough. You should look at it this way: SJ trades a 3d, Sundstrom and Jillson for McLaren and a 4th. We could offer up anything of the same kind for McLaren... so we just got what we could.
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 23, 2003 20:56:33 GMT -5
Doc ''est a prendre avec des pincettes!'' hehehe.....
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 23, 2003 20:57:37 GMT -5
Marc, you should just be angry at yourself for thinking we could do much better. Last summer I thought Hack could clear waivers..... now we get a decent enough pick and a youngish player who can still do well enough. True.... It's just, as I have said a million times, the Boston part that bugs me If Hackett goes to SJ for Sunds and the 3rd...good enough trade IMO...but now Boston gets him...ugh
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Post by Viper on Jan 23, 2003 20:58:12 GMT -5
I guess the bottom line for you Doc is Sundstrum sucks so it's gonna have to be a wait and see deal, hopefully your mistaken i hate eating crow. cheer's Viper.
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jan 23, 2003 20:59:01 GMT -5
Sorry folks Sportsnet mentioned it being 1mil between periods of the Sens game. Doc...I see where you are coming from but to me if it wasn't Hackett maybe the Bruins picked up Manny Fernandez or Jamie Storr. Geez TO rode Schwab down the stretch last year into the the playoffs. Boston could have found another goalie. The fact that Deano sacrificed his future for Mclaren is out of our hands. MArc, do you realize McLaren is just 25 ? PLenty of future left there, he hasn't even reach his full potential. He's a stud Marc. He's what Komi MIGHT become... would I have traded Hainsey for him ? In a NY minute I would have.
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 23, 2003 21:00:13 GMT -5
He is also injury prone...
and a contract mess(has held out a couple of times)
like HA said...the Bruins totally blew his value out of the water...
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Post by rocky on Jan 23, 2003 21:02:01 GMT -5
Now we have a bus load of defensive forwards and still only 1.5 able defensemen. I do like the 3rd round pick, however. IF we can forget about O'Connell's larcency for a sec. we did get a good return for Hackett. Now we must wait for the other shoe to drop, no way will this be our final line up come spring time. Bravo for Garon, at least his menu will look better, bet he buys a new wallet tomorrow. ;D
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Post by hab1fan on Jan 23, 2003 21:02:12 GMT -5
This is a money trade more than anything. However, is AS stockpiling future AHLer's and looking to trade Ward and/or Benoit to improve the big team now? We all know AS isn't enthralled with Ward or he would be up playing now, IMO.
And, yes, where does Kilger fit in now? Or, will he be shipped out too?
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Post by Habsolution on Jan 23, 2003 21:02:25 GMT -5
True.... It's just, as I have said a million times, the Boston part that bugs me If Hackett goes to SJ for Sunds and the 3rd...good enough trade IMO...but now Boston gets him...ugh We all hate Boston but they are not going to be a problem for us. They were already in the playoffs. And I'm sure they would have made it with or without Jeff. Now they are gonna be even better but what can you do What bugs me THE MOST is the fu****ing rds medias. They are so dumb it's unbelievable. They say AS didn't know about the fact SJ would trade to BOS.... Man .. incredible how dumb they can be ??!?!?!?!
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Post by Maritimer on Jan 23, 2003 21:03:53 GMT -5
Doc you would have traded Komisarek for Mclaren? yes Mclaren is only 25 but he has had contract issues. Why isn't he playing this year? Didnt he say he would never play for Boston again before any negotiations were made? Sounds like a good character guy to me.
Anyways my point is if you value him higher than the chance that Komo will be better than I can understand how you feel.
I just like our chances with Komo in 2 or 3 years than a fat and out of shape Mclaren today
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 23, 2003 21:04:18 GMT -5
Let's hope we can keep and sign garon and deal him for a king's ransom in a year or two after he has great numbers as a backup....that would make me feel better
Man this thread is gonna be a HabsRus record for posts in a thread ;D
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 23, 2003 21:05:35 GMT -5
Hainsey and Komi also have something McLaren will never have: OFFENCE!!
No way I would have traded Komi for McLaren...maybe Hainsey but even then...
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Post by Raven on Jan 23, 2003 21:05:47 GMT -5
another small problem with this trade boys...Tream 990 reported Sudstum is a free agent at season's end.
I sure as hell hope they don't pay him more than 1.8 he's making now. Not for 2 goals and 7 assists. We have a history of doing dumb things like that. Pay for potential instead of production.
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