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Post by Shiva on Jan 24, 2003 16:04:43 GMT -5
Until the end of the season, Garon needs to play 12 games in order not to lose him. This is a tricky situation since we are in a tight race for the playoffs. But since we just traded Hacket, let's not lose Garon as well.
Looking at the schedule, Garon needs to play at least one game per week. So here is the list of the 12 games I think he should play.
1- IMO he should start on Sunday against Chicago, get him to brake the ice soon. Let Theo handle Washington on Saturday. 2- vs Florida on Jan. 28. I think it would be better for him to play against FLO than vs Islanders, since the former are less offensive ( 109 goals for vs 131). 3- vs Atlanta on Feb.4, ties for last position with Buffalo. 4- vs Columbus on Feb. 13, since it is not making the playoffs. They score enough goals but have troubling winning games. 5- vs Buffalo on Feb. 19. 6- vs San Jose on March 6, not making the playoffs at this point. (Although McClearan may jump start them.) 7- vs L.A.. March 8 8- vs Nashville March 9, not doing so good in the western conference. Three games in a row I know, but IMO it's better than playing him against teams that are doing good at this point.
9- vsAtlanta on March 13 10- vs Carolina March 22, not so offensive (107 GF) 11- vs Buffalo March 28 12- vs Carolina March 31.
It is pretty risky, so what do you all think?
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Jan 24, 2003 16:10:33 GMT -5
Good job. That looks to be as easy as it's likely going to get for Garon. He does have to play 12 out of 33 to prevent UFA status, and those do seem to be the best choices to me.
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Post by JohnnyVerdun on Jan 24, 2003 16:12:00 GMT -5
A thousand welcomes.
Now, down to business. It's not going to happen. There's no way Garon plays 35% of our remaining games in a vicious playoff race. He might get four or five starts, max. He's going to be a UFA if he's not re-signed. Savard will try and sign him after the season, and a one-way NHL contract will look mighty nice to Mathieu. He can check out free agency, and he'll get a few offers, imo, but as a backup. Unless it looks like a gig where he'll be much more likely to get more action than here, we'll have a good chance to sign him.
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 24, 2003 16:13:51 GMT -5
Plus there will be a blowout or two for sure.......Garon only needs to play 30 minutes in 1 game to count as one of the 12 games
I would expect Garon to start a game in most of the back to backs..
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Post by Viper on Jan 24, 2003 16:17:11 GMT -5
Welcome to the board first and foremost and secondly great post.
here's my thoughts on Garon
I read a thought on Garon by PTH yesterday and he was mentioning that the habs are gonna be wiloling to give him a one way contract and a legitimate backup job which is completely true so it shouldn't be tough to resign him even if he doesn't get the 12 games in. There's also the fact that he has cleared waivers once this year and nobody was interested so it could very well be that here is his only useful place. Of course things could change between now and the summer but resigning Garon shouldn't be a big problem 12 games or no 12 games.
If he plays a bunch and looks really sharp then i say get him in 12 that's for darn sure. So i'd get him in a few quickly just to see if he's gonna respond to the challenge. If he's really shaky (as he was last year) then the jury around the league will remain as it is but if he plays great then that possibility of someone taking him grows.
When it's all said and done however Garon should still be a hab Andre Savard will not let that one get away i'm sure that will throw a wrench in the future and it's unlikely AS is gonna do that.
Cheer's Shiva and again welcome to the board.
Viper.
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Jan 24, 2003 16:21:12 GMT -5
...Now, down to business. It's not going to happen. There's no way Garon plays 35% of our remaining games in a vicious playoff race. He might get four or five starts, max. He's going to be a UFA if he's not re-signed. Savard will try and sign him after the season, and a one-way NHL contract will look mighty nice to Mathieu. He can check out free agency, and he'll get a few offers, imo, but as a backup. Unless it looks like a gig where he'll be much more likely to get more action than here, we'll have a good chance to sign him. That would be the best possible scenario. However, the risk factor of losing him is pretty high IMO. I, for one, will be sinking into troubled sleep each night after the season, visions of Eric Fichaud waving helplessly at point shots dancing in my head, if UFA status hasn't been averted. I hope you're right, though.
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Post by Lord Stanley on Jan 24, 2003 16:22:52 GMT -5
You guys think AS is having talks with Garon to resign him..
or do you think Garon doesn't want to and will test his UFA status
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 24, 2003 16:26:04 GMT -5
Tell Garon he gets a million per year and an assured backup job with the team he gew up admiring.
I think he will stay.....the guy always wanted to be a Hab...
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Jan 24, 2003 16:27:40 GMT -5
...When it's all said and done however Garon should still be a hab Andre Savard will not let that one get away i'm sure that will throw a wrench in the future and it's unlikely AS is gonna do that. Cheer's Shiva and again welcome to the board. Viper. I say he was damn lucky not to have lost Garon when he waived him earlier in the season. I'll bet Savard was waiting out those 48hrs with bated bowels.
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Post by Habsolution on Jan 24, 2003 16:31:40 GMT -5
If he reaches UFA status will he remain an UFA after his next contract again ?
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Post by Shiva on Jan 24, 2003 16:33:38 GMT -5
Thanks fo the warm welcome.
I hope AS will re-sign Garon and that he doesn't go UFA. IMO testing the market is not a good option for us. I would prefer to keep Garon over our other choices of goalies.
I guess that all this trade and goalie business is in the air and we just need to wait and see what the outcome will be. Hopefully it will result as a place in the playoffs.
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Post by JohnnyVerdun on Jan 24, 2003 16:35:55 GMT -5
That would be the best possible scenario. However, the risk factor of losing him is pretty high IMO. I, for one, will be sinking into troubled sleep each night after the season, visions of Eric Fichaud waving helplessly at point shots dancing in my head, if UFA status hasn't been averted. I hope you're right, though. I'm usually right. When I'm wrong, which is more often than I care to admit or even sometimes recognize myself, I leave town and don't call in for messages for up to 4 months. The risk of losing him is reasonable, especially compared to the risk involved in going with Garon in 1 out of every 3 of our remaining games (12 of 34, so more than a third). Again, there's no way it's going to happen. Not unless Theo gets hurt.
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Post by turnbuckle on Jan 24, 2003 16:36:14 GMT -5
Maybe Savard should go to Garon's agent and say:
"Look, we're not going to get Garon into 12 games, but we consider him to be a big part of our long-range plans. We'll sign him right now to a little more cash than we would if he got the 12 games in and lost free-agent status. If you don't sign with us now, we'll make sure he gets at least one minute of play in 12 games, and sign him to the lowest possible contract in the offseason. It's your choice."
Not really Andre's style, but he'd get the point across.
Most NHL teams already have firmly ensconsed backups. garon stands as good a chance playing in the NHL with Mtl as most teams.
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 24, 2003 16:37:29 GMT -5
good post and welcome aboard turnbuckle...
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Post by JohnnyVerdun on Jan 24, 2003 16:46:18 GMT -5
Greetings Turnbuckle. I saw your post about Ward elsewhere. We could use that kind of input here.
As for the Garon plan, it doesn't count as a game unless he's in for 30 minutes. I think it's a special rule for goaltenders designed to prevent exactly the plan you describe. They'll work something out, and if they don't, we'll survive. Garon's going to be happy to be earning the big $ and he and his new wife are both from Quebec.
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Post by GoMtl on Jan 24, 2003 16:46:20 GMT -5
problem with that turnbuckle is that he has to play 30 minutes in those games, which is going to be hard for us to give him with the playoff race at hand. i say don't give him the 12, he's likely to resign, but if he doesnt a back up goalie isnt that hard to aquire.
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Post by turnbuckle on Jan 24, 2003 16:46:38 GMT -5
Thanks Marc. I've been a longtime lurker, but finally posted.
I'm a regular at FLR (any others here?), but I must say I've been more and more impressed with this site. Too many kids at Hockey's Future and Fanhome; there is certainly a level of maturity at this board. I'm going to start posting here with some regularity, and look forwards to informative debates, concurrences, etc.
I know Mr. Bozo from fanhome - any others from fanhome? I recognize Johnny Verdun form HF - anyone else got aliases on other boards?
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Post by turnbuckle on Jan 24, 2003 16:48:36 GMT -5
Thanks Matt - I have been looking for confirmation on that - I thought he just had to get in a minute. Oh well; I still think AS should push hard to sign him now, and Garon should seriously consider his offer.
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Post by Viper on Jan 24, 2003 16:50:00 GMT -5
Welcome Aboard Turnbuckle thanks for the kind words about our board surely you'll make a great addition.
cheer's
Viper.
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Post by Viper on Jan 24, 2003 16:51:17 GMT -5
I say he was damn lucky not to have lost Garon when he waived him earlier in the season. I'll bet Savard was waiting out those 48hrs with bated bowels. yes i agree but that just fuels my belief that AS will be certain to get this thing wrapped up before it's too late.
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Post by turnbuckle on Jan 24, 2003 16:56:44 GMT -5
Everytime I refresh or go to post I get a popup, and something starts downloading form /hotels. any way to stop this?
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Jan 24, 2003 17:36:52 GMT -5
problem with that turnbuckle is that he has to play 30 minutes in those games, which is going to be hard for us to give him with the playoff race at hand. i say don't give him the 12, he's likely to resign, but if he doesnt a back up goalie isnt that hard to aquire. Yep, we can always call up Eric Fichaud I just don't want to see Garon wander off, sign with the Maple Leafs, win the number one job from Tellqvist after Belfour retires, and go on to have a long Hall of Fame career
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Post by sXe on Jan 24, 2003 19:19:06 GMT -5
Today on the news Garon said he feels this is his first NHL job. Since it's not because of an injury and show that the Habs organisation has faith in him he won't forget that this summer, I hope ... IMO for an equal amount of $$ he'd rather stay with Mtl.
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jan 24, 2003 19:24:56 GMT -5
Garon cleared waivers a couple of months ago so I doubt we should worry too much about his UFA status and the games he needs to play. If we want at the end of the season, he'll probably be available.
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Jan 24, 2003 19:33:18 GMT -5
Garon cleared waivers a couple of months ago so I doubt we should worry too much about his UFA status and the games he needs to play. If we want at the end of the season, he'll probably be available. Yes, but since he cleared waivers he's gone 15-2-2 with a 1.77 GAA and .937 save%. I'm sure interest outside Montreal has picked up considerably.
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Jan 24, 2003 19:36:23 GMT -5
Today on the news Garon said he feels this is his first NHL job. Since it's not because of an injury and show that the Habs organisation has faith in him he won't forget that this summer, I hope ... IMO for an equal amount of $$ he'd rather stay with Mtl. I hope so too. It all depends on what tempts him most from the offers he's bound to receive.
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Post by Yossarian on Jan 24, 2003 21:36:33 GMT -5
I think there is no way that Garon gets anywhere close to 12 games, if the Habs are still in the playoff hunt. Maybe its wishful thinking, but I can't see him going anywhere.
There are so many good young goaltenders in the league right now. I can't see him earning a starting job anywhere else. He has a solid backup job in a place he wants to play, almost assured he never sees Hamilton again, (especially if he requests a one way contract) now that Hackett is gone. Unless he gets thrown a pileload more cash than the Habs are willing to offer, it doesn't make any sense for him to leave and take a job somewhere else, when he is comfortable where he is, with the coach he is playing for. But at the same time he doesn't have much negotiating leverage to earn pileloads just yet.
I posted on another thread that I'm sure if AS offers him a one way deal, before the end of the year, he signs in a flash.
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Jan 24, 2003 21:40:25 GMT -5
I think there is no way that Garon gets anywhere close to 12 games, if the Habs are still in the playoff hunt. Maybe its wishful thinking, but I can't see him going anywhere. There are so many good young goaltenders in the league right now. I can't see him earning a starting job anywhere else. He has a solid backup job in a place he wants to play, almost assured he never sees Hamilton again, (especially if he requests a one way contract) now that Hackett is gone. Unless he gets thrown a pileload more cash than the Habs are willing to offer, it doesn't make any sense for him to leave and take a job somewhere else, when he is comfortable where he is, with the coach he is playing for. But at the same time he doesn't have much negotiating leverage to earn pileloads just yet. I posted on another thread that I'm sure if AS offers him a one way deal, before the end of the year, he signs in a flash. You sound certain that we won't see the 12 days of Garon.
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Post by Yossarian on Jan 24, 2003 22:15:42 GMT -5
You sound certain that we won't see the 12 days of Garon. Yeah, fairly certain. I just can't see the team going with such an inexperienced goalie at a crucial stage of the season, for so many games. Look at it this way, of the 49 games played, Hackett has played 18, or 37%. That is an experienced, proven goalie, even with Theo obviously struggling early on. If Garon plays 12 of 33, that is 36%. Almost the same percentage of starts as Hackett, and at much more of a critical juncture in the season. I don't think they brought up Garon to give him the same type of ice time they gave Hackett. I just can't see it happening. Can you imagine the kid giving up bad goals in multiple games costing points that might make the difference in the end. If Theo blows it, you went with your best, and the best didn't work out. If you didn't go with your best and it doesn't pan out, then you have made a serious error in judgement.
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Post by legaspesien on Jan 24, 2003 22:23:30 GMT -5
I don't think they brought up Garon to give him the same type of ice time they gave Hackett. I just can't see it happening. . Don't forget that he give good hockey to CJ he has confidence in him for shure
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