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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 22, 2003 21:37:51 GMT -5
Taking a page from PTH's book here ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!! How does he play so much...at least he isn't playing with Breezy anymore but he still SUCKS!!!! What a dumb penalty...WTF was he doing...it looks like that was a Bolts stick......he just threw it on Lecavalier... edit: I HATE TRAVERSE. Repeat it.
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Post by Gord on Jan 22, 2003 21:40:26 GMT -5
I dunno, it just looked to me like he was trying to knock it out of the way so it wouldn't get in the way if they were trying to clear the zone, and it lept up at the Lightning player. It wasn't even his stick, or necessarily one of the Habs'. I guess you have to call that, but it was tremendously unlucky. However, I still agree it's time for him to play Dykhuis.
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Post by spozzy on Jan 22, 2003 21:43:33 GMT -5
Player | Ice-time ------------------------------------- Traverse 24:46 Markov 24:59 -------------------------------------
Take away that dumb penalty and you have Traverse with the most ice time. Ridiculous.
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 22, 2003 21:45:47 GMT -5
God CJ has got to stop doing this!! Come on CJ...we know you are better than this Or maybe AS is REALLY pulling the strings?
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 22, 2003 21:46:43 GMT -5
Freakzilla... TIME TO START A GET RID OF TRAVERSE PETITION!!! Can anyone put a nice little red circle with a bar on this picture(like the no smoking sign)? What a goof.
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Post by Psycorp on Jan 22, 2003 21:54:33 GMT -5
I think Traverse play as much because we have nothing better to replace him
Markov already play a lot
I think asking Hainsey to play more than 15 minutes a game would be too much for now
so 15+25=40 there is still 20 minutes left to fill.
Dykhuis play this year has been worse than Traverse, there is no one until Souray comes back.
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 22, 2003 22:00:14 GMT -5
OMG Ron Fournier just said ''most of the time'' Traverse plays well The guy is insane......
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Jan 22, 2003 22:02:30 GMT -5
I think Traverse play as much because we have nothing better to replace him Markov already play a lot I think asking Hainsey to play more than 15 minutes a game would be too much for now so 15+25=40 there is still 20 minutes left to fill. Dykhuis play this year has been worse than Traverse, there is no one until Souray comes back. Precisely! For the above reasons Traverse is our cross to bear.
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 22, 2003 22:03:45 GMT -5
I still don't think Dykhuis earlier this year was playing as BAD as Traverse is playing now.
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Post by Ryan on Jan 22, 2003 22:12:56 GMT -5
That play was freaking retarded, there's absolutely no excuse at all. He obviously flipped the stick up to interfere with Vinny.
He should be flying on the next thing to Hamilton. There's 40 defencemen in the AHL that wouldn't be any worse than Traverse.
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Post by spozzy on Jan 22, 2003 22:17:49 GMT -5
Precisely! For the above reasons Traverse is our cross to bear. Have we forgotten that Traverse is our WORST defensman (along with the scratched Dykhuis)? There is no excuse for Traverse playing so much (the same amount as Brisebois and Markov even!). Quintal, Rivet, Hainsey...these are all much better d-men. Marc: here's your requested pic.. Arrrgh... the picture loads fine a few times and then it's gone. You can just get the picture yourself from here then: www.geocities.com/spozzy_z/no2traverse.jpg
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Post by Psycorp on Jan 22, 2003 22:31:01 GMT -5
Have we forgotten that Traverse is our WORST defensman (along with the scratched Dykhuis)? There is no excuse for Traverse playing so much (the same amount as Brisebois and Markov even!). Quintal, Rivet, Hainsey...these are all much better d-men. Problem is, Quintal and Rivet are both right handed defensemen. So there is only Hainsey left who is better in your opinion.
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Post by habwest on Jan 22, 2003 22:32:10 GMT -5
C'mon guys. Let's see what happens after CJ evaluates things. Like Mr Bozo said on the game thread, 4 of 6 points is pretty good from 3 games where Julien hasn't had the chance to really institute his system.
As for Traverse, sure he made a mistake but then, as Gord says, he was just trying to knock the stick out of the way and things are going real fast out there. Besides, Koivu didn't score on the penalty shot, Brisebois was completely deeked out by Andrechuk on the winning goal and Theo didn't look very good on it either. Plus the Habs had a number of other good chances in the 3rd and OT where they didn't score. So to lay it all on Traverse is a bit much. Why not lay some of the blame on Zednik for taking a penalty since Tampa scored then too?
It seems mighty odd to me that some folks call for us to be fair to MT and not call him names and then call for players to be shot. Or starting a hate thread up on a player. Calling to get rid of a player or detailing his faults is one thing. Personalizing it all and laying all the frustrations for the Habs situation on a single player is another.
But then again, I didn't expect this team to make the playoffs to begin with so this is easy for me to say. I do care about laying the foundations for a much better team in the future so I guess that's what I'm mainly focused on.
By the way, I think that Traverse does make some smart plays out there. Unfortunately he makes mistakes too. I'm just waiting to see what happens after Julien has had a real chance to deal with this team and the players. Who knows, they might improve. Give CJ some time; he'll need it.
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Post by KR on Jan 23, 2003 2:39:33 GMT -5
Quick....name a Habs defenceman ever that was worse than Traverse.
Richter? Laflamme? Cullimore? Dykhuis most of this year? Brisebois every day?
Bring up Komisarek. Ready or not, he can't possibly be worse than these stiffs.
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 23, 2003 6:36:53 GMT -5
But Komi is a right shot....damn you Souray and your fragile body Spozzy, the link shows nothing...
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 23, 2003 7:05:35 GMT -5
Seriously...how the hell can a smart hockey mind like AS love a player like Traverse? how can he? Frankie Bouillon is better than this goof... what does Traverse do? what is his quality? how did he make the NHL? How is he so thin? does he even weigh 175 pounds? He must have pictures of AS in compromising situations....
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jan 23, 2003 8:33:43 GMT -5
Jacques Martin was using Traverse a lot in Ottawa Boston acquired him and played him Savard went out of his way to acquire him Therrien played him Julien plays him
It seems that some respected hockey minds actually think that he can play hockey.
Of course, in every case, the more you play a guy, the more likely he'll commit mistakes and Traverse shouldn't play as much as he does but there isn't much choice right now. It wouldn't be any wiser to play Hainsey or Komisaek 24 minutes a game at this point... you'd shut their confidence and get every fans on their back, the way they are on Traverse now.
It's gonna be Dykhuis or Traverse until Savard gets the dmen we need. Let's get a grip on ourselves shall we.
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Post by Montrealer on Jan 23, 2003 8:35:48 GMT -5
I seriously doubt he will ever play another minute in the NHL once the Habs wise up and demote/release him...
I hope he likes Bratwurst and Sauerkraut, cause Deutsche Eishockey Liga , here he comes!
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Post by Lord Stanley on Jan 23, 2003 8:50:05 GMT -5
Yeah me too...Traverse is my hero..
The fact that he is being used soo much by doing so little, you got to respect the guy...he must be a great talker or something..cause he ain't out there because of skills for sure
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Post by habwest on Jan 23, 2003 9:06:33 GMT -5
Like Doc said, get a grip. All this griping is just turning this board into another run of the mill outfit.
Personalizing everything, heaping all the team's problems onto one player and getting into a hate trip is just plain silly.
Like Doc said, Traverse will be replaced...when there's somebody better to replace him with. Until then we'll just have to put up with it. So why go on and on about it?
Excuse me for being so "frank" but one thing that annoys me are whiners and complainers. Some of you are beginning to sound like a bunch of Audettes for heaven's sake.
Sheesh.
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Post by Montrealer on Jan 23, 2003 9:12:16 GMT -5
Like Doc said, get a grip. All this griping is just turning this board into another run of the mill outfit. Personalizing everything, heaping all the team's problems onto one player and getting into a hate trip is just plain silly. Like Doc said, Traverse will be replaced...when there's somebody better to replace him with. Until then we'll just have to put up with it. So why go on and on about it? Excuse me for being so "frank" but one thing that annoys me are whiners and complainers. Some of you are beginning to sound like a bunch of Audettes for heaven's sake. Sheesh. Well, the forum is acting like a pressure valve, allowing us to blow off steam. If you don't enjoy that part of it, that's your opinion and I respect it. HOWEVER, when a thread is called "Official I hate Traverse thread!" I would think someone of your sensibilities would know enough to avoid it. It's not as if you are FORCED to read each and every thread in this forum. Excuse me for being so "frank" but one thing that annoys the hell out of me are people who whine and complain about forum topics, who aren't moderators. That's their role, not yours. Thanks for listening!
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Post by habwest on Jan 23, 2003 9:25:42 GMT -5
You're right, but I'm too old to not to stick my nose in.
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Jan 23, 2003 9:26:47 GMT -5
I seriously doubt he will ever play another minute in the NHL once the Habs wise up and demote/release him... I hope he likes Bratwurst and Sauerkraut, cause Deutsche Eishockey Liga , here he comes! Mmm...bratwurst...mmm...sauerkraut...eek...Traverse...more...lager...
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jan 23, 2003 9:27:35 GMT -5
Well, the forum is acting like a pressure valve, allowing us to blow off steam. If you don't enjoy that part of it, that's your opinion and I respect it. HOWEVER, when a thread is called "Official I hate Traverse thread!" I would think someone of your sensibilities would know enough to avoid it. It's not as if you are FORCED to read each and every thread in this forum. Excuse me for being so "frank" but one thing that annoys the hell out of me are people who whine and complain about forum topics, who aren't moderators. That's their role, not yours. Thanks for listening! Habwest has a good point, when a tendency starts here, it's everywhere and it's annoying... I hate Traverse here and there, break his legs, he's the reason why we lost half a dozen games, etc.. Eventually this will spead in almost every thread, be part of user signatures and all... Before him it was Therrien, or Audette or Brisebois or Quintal... It seem that this board needs to focus on an individual and bash on him until the world come to an end. An official "I hate Traverse thread" ? Aren't we a weeeeeee bit out of touch ?
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Post by legaspesien on Jan 23, 2003 9:30:34 GMT -5
Quick....name a Habs defenceman ever that was worse than Traverse. . Murray Baron
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Post by Lord Stanley on Jan 23, 2003 9:45:55 GMT -5
hahaha that is soooo true...remember his first shift..falls down and breaks something..I think it was a shoulder..that was amazing.. Is he the guys that got knocked down in a fight too..I remember a fight with Boston guy at the time, the hab guy tought the fight was over and then the Booooin gave him a cheap shot..one ounch it was over..concussion..I am pretty sure it was Baron too..Anyine remember who the other guy was? Glory to the Baron Von Pilon!!! ;D
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Post by TheHabsfan on Jan 23, 2003 10:17:09 GMT -5
hahaha that is soooo true...remember his first shift..falls down and breaks something..I think it was a shoulder..that was amazing.. Is he the guys that got knocked down in a fight too..I remember a fight with Boston guy at the time, the hab guy tought the fight was over and then the Booooin gave him a cheap shot..one ounch it was over..concussion..I am pretty sure it was Baron too..Anyine remember who the other guy was? Glory to the Baron Von Pilon!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D I remember that one....it was TROY MALETTE He tried a rematch later on and swung so hard that he almost fell to the ice...not much of a rematch...but it was funny!
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Jan 23, 2003 10:23:40 GMT -5
Quick....name a Habs defenceman ever that was worse than Traverse. Richter? Laflamme? Cullimore? Dykhuis most of this year? Brisebois every day? Here are some prize candidates for the PT-54 trophy, from the last 20 Habs' seasons. I'd still take Patrick over virtually all of them. - Brad Brown
- Kent Carlsson
- Enrico Ciccone
- Alain Cote
- Robert Dirk
- Donald Dufresne
- Rory Fitzpatrick
- Bryan Fogarty
- Luc Gauthier
- Francois Groleau
- Miloslav Guren
- Marko Kiprusoff
- Bill Kitchen
- Mike Lalor
- Ric Nattress
- Bill Nyrop
- Christian Proulx
- Yves Racine
- Bill Root
- Scott Sandelin
- Dwight Schofield
- Darryl Shannon
- Larry Trader
- David Wilkie
See, it could be worse, much worse. Besides, every team has its worst d-men. It's like a natural law or something. When Patrick's gone someone else will be the worst d-man. Right now he's the best worst that we can muster.
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 23, 2003 12:41:28 GMT -5
Every team does have a Traverse... But they don't play 24 minutes per game That is the difference...... and having 3 righty d-man who can't play the left side hurts us when we want to shorten our bench........Basically, late in a game...you go with Markov-Rivet-Quintal-Brisebois...but since 3 are right D you can't do it....so that is why Traverse has to play in key situations
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Post by cigarviper on Jan 23, 2003 14:13:02 GMT -5
While I don't think of him as a deeply talented hockey player by any stretch of the imagination, he isn't a total waste of space out there either. Good defensemen are very difficult to come by and great ones are extremely rare. That being said, it stands to reason that no team is overflowing with good defensemen nevermind great defensemen. Every team has a Patrick Traverse. He gets as much icetime as he does through necessity of the team and not favouritism of the coach. I think everyone is well aware of the level of skill he possesses. I also believe that everyone realizes we need better defense if we're going to the next level, what team doesn't?
It's always easy to pick on the weakest link and demand a quick fix but the realities of today's hockey business make it pretty tough to just go out and get one. So we must all be patient and wait for the right trade situation to emerge while we wait for youngsters to improve enough to the point where they are ready for the big show.
In the meantime, the direction of the team is pointed forward again so let's all just enjoy the ride. Besides, 75% success rate on the road really is good.
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