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Post by PTH on Jan 21, 2003 2:05:36 GMT -5
I also think Juneau's a lot smarter than Therrien. Smarter, generally, and probably more thoughtful about what winning hockey games requires. From what I know, Juneau was probably one of those guys who struggled the most to bite his lip. Agreed on his smarts. Hey, the guy's an Engineer, and we all know ERTW (Engineers Rule The World). But I don't know if he really did bite his lip..... I have a nagging suspicion he's the "rat". Sometimes looking to assign blame isn't the way to get the right way to go IMO - the problem wasn't MT, or the players, or AS. It was the combo. AS is a finesse-oriented coach, and he got the players he wanted, but we had a grind-mentality type of coach who couldn't get those guys to produce. I'm not sure even a better coach with the same style could have gotten things going the right way . Imagine a Sutter with this lineup..... he might have lasted a bit longer, but the final result would be the same. Kinda like Mario Tremblay never really got Pierre Turgeon to feel comfortable - only a guy like Chow is no Turgeon, and MT isn't as clueless as Tremblay was. Ultimately, it boils down to what AS said over and over during his press conference - MT wasn't his coach.
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Post by Rhiessan on Jan 21, 2003 5:15:08 GMT -5
I think you hit the nail right on the head there PTH and the fact that Theo was unreal last year just made AS have to wait longer then he wanted too. I'm not saying AS was hoping for MT to fail I just think AS is a pretty smart guy and he knew the wheels would come off sooner rather then later. The only thing I see wrong with your post is the mentioning of Tremblay at all. While not an MT supporter I don't think he deserves to be put in even the same sentence as the Terrible one. MT is Scotty Bowman compared to that IDIOT ;D
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Post by JohnnyVerdun on Jan 21, 2003 16:52:22 GMT -5
Agreed on his smarts. Hey, the guy's an Engineer, and we all know ERTW (Engineers Rule The World). But I don't know if he really did bite his lip..... I have a nagging suspicion he's the "rat". It was Audette. I have that from the inside. And I'm not joking. But I'm pretty sure Juneau despised Therrien as much or more than Audette. As for the combined effect of the three, fair enough, but you can't persuade me MT is actually on a par with even the bottom third of NHL coaches. I just can't believe that. Therrien is a real old-style coach in a game that's gone Xs and Os, breaking down video, systems, special teams and, real importantly, being a human resources director for the players. None of these are among his strengths. I don't think even Burns or Keenan would survive in their present jobs if they coached the way they did when they first came into the league. Maybe MT would've learned, but there's no way we could wait for that to happen.
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Post by Seattle_Habs_Fan on Jan 21, 2003 23:48:20 GMT -5
Johnny Verdun, you posted that response. My question to you is this, I read some of the quotes at Cyberpresse.ca. Brune made a statement saying that Gilmour was at odds with MT. What have your inside sources said on this issue?
Thanks
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 22, 2003 6:45:32 GMT -5
Johnny Verdun, you posted that response. My question to you is this, I read some of the quotes at Cyberpresse.ca. Brune made a statement saying that Gilmour was at odds with MT. What have your inside sources said on this issue? Thanks That isn't true at all. Gilmour even sent MT a message after the firing....MT always asked Gilmour what he thought on the bench...
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Post by Seattle_Habs_Fan on Jan 22, 2003 17:04:01 GMT -5
Thanks Marc, I'm glad to see that we get unbiased reporting (sarcasm)
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Post by JohnnyVerdun on Jan 22, 2003 17:28:59 GMT -5
Johnny Verdun, you posted that response. My question to you is this, I read some of the quotes at Cyberpresse.ca. Brune made a statement saying that Gilmour was at odds with MT. What have your inside sources said on this issue? Thanks Sorry, I missed your question. All I heard was that Gilmour was (maybe even more than Theo or Saku) the player most respected and even adored by Therrien and that he was definitely treated with ultra respect. But Therrien felt he needed Juneau to center the third and Perreault the second line. So Gilmour had to go to the wing. I don't know what Killer thinks of Therrien, but Therrien sure liked him. I don't have any info on that story where Therrien sent for Dougie and Gilmour was rumored to have sent back a message to "f*ck off", but I'd be surprised if it was true. Therrien never made a peep about Gilmour's play pre-December when he was not on his game but he kept getting the pp time, that's for sure.
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Post by PTH on Jan 22, 2003 18:47:59 GMT -5
Sorry, I missed your question. All I heard was that Gilmour was (maybe even more than Theo or Saku) the player most respected and even adored by Therrien and that he was definitely treated with ultra respect. But Therrien felt he needed Juneau to center the third and Perreault the second line. So Gilmour had to go to the wing. I don't know what Killer thinks of Therrien, but Therrien sure liked him. I don't have any info on that story where Therrien sent for Dougie and Gilmour was rumored to have sent back a message to "f*ck off", but I'd be surprised if it was true. Therrien never made a peep about Gilmour's play pre-December when he was not on his game but he kept getting the pp time, that's for sure. Couldn't all that be 90% true, only it was MT was who kinda scared at Gilmour's influence ? I know a lot of rookie coaches would be, a veteran star with nothing to lose steps in, a cocky one at that.... MT might have given Dougie everything he could reasonably do, just to appease him.
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Post by UberCranky on Jan 22, 2003 19:03:45 GMT -5
I think you guys are missing the mark on Gilmour.
A warriors mentality is such that if Gilmour saw that Therrien was THE impediment to the suceess of the team then he would turn on him like a hungry wolf.
Does anyone think that Gilmour was happy with Therrien coaching abilities? Was Gilmour happy with watching HIS team lose? Did Gilmour have ANY loyalty to Therrien?
The answers are self evident.
Do I blame Gilmour and the others that helped in overthrowing Therrien? NO, of course not. They had just cause. If anything, they are heroes of the revolution, in my eyes.
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