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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 18, 2003 21:34:21 GMT -5
We should be very happy with the point
Rarely do the Leafs blow a lead that big. Habs played GREAT from the midway point of the 2nd period.
39 shots? holy cow...
The effort was there...a transition game was there...Traverse-Brisebois were quickly broken up...Hainsey played more...
We get a point...if we play like this against other teams...we will win
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Post by UberCranky on Jan 18, 2003 21:38:36 GMT -5
The end of Travesty. GREAT. Long live the new era of Hainsey.
Theo sucked on the last goal.
Julien should of had Koivu and Zed on the overtime.
Julien will learn that Petrov is all flash but no finish.
Perreault played the best game of the season. Wonder why?
Juneau played the best game of the season. Also wonder why?
Strachan is full of sh*t. ANY HABSRUS POSTER IS BETTER THEN THAT MORON. Oops, I just broiught us to his level.
I like what I see so far.
Audette is doing what he does best. NOTHING. Good ridence.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jan 18, 2003 21:38:54 GMT -5
Julien will work out just fine.
I don't care who replaces Saddam after Bush fires him. It's got to be an improvement. Same thing with Therrien.
Hab's fans care again!
Go Habs!
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 18, 2003 21:40:49 GMT -5
The end of Travesty. The new era of Hainsey. Theo sucked on the last goal. Julien should of had Koivu and Zed on the overtime. Julien will lern that Petrov is all flash but no finish. Perreault played the best game of the season. Wonder why? Juneau played the best game of the season. Also wonder why? Stachan is full of sh*t. I like what i see so far. Audette is doing what he does best. NOTHING. The only things that dissapointed me about CJ tonight -4th lines used way too much -Koivu line not used enough aside from that...very solid...breaking up Traverse-Brisebois was simply the right decision. Bulis-Perreault-Petrov were excellent out there as well
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Post by clear observer on Jan 18, 2003 21:42:46 GMT -5
Theo sucked on the last goal. Brisebois decision to back in on Antropov led to screening Theo..bush-league as usual by Breezy (-3 on the night). Still, much better effort than we've seen in a long time. CO
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Post by seventeen on Jan 18, 2003 21:43:50 GMT -5
That first game is tough to project from. Usually the players are making a much bigger effort than they were before. What a chuckle...HNIC interviews Tjellqvist....who did very little and was probably pumped to the gills anyway. Maybe he was available. I digress. The 2nd game will be more indicative, but overall I think the 10th game will tell us a lot more. Julien needs time to get his system in place and his players executing it properly. (As an aside, how much glass dumping did you notice?). I am, as the saying goes, cautiously optimistic.
We need better players Andre. Before the development of Komi, Perezhogin, Plekanec, and others takes place. And we'd better keep drafting well. It's the key. Before long, we'll be thumping the Leafs of Absence on a regular basis
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Post by hab1fan on Jan 18, 2003 21:55:20 GMT -5
It was nice to see a better use of the players. Hainsey looked awesome at times. He's got some wrist shot from the point. ;D Like seeing him get som PP time.
I don't know if it was Julien or not but the Habs started "winning" the battles on the boards in the second and that is when Toronto was put on their heels. I like the forechecking scheme but they still need to work on getting out of their own end.
Now, Julien got a couple of days to work with the team, review game tapes and such. I still see not enough bodies in front of the net at times or off to the side. I will be interested in seeing some improvement there. BTW, Julien is a note taker and adjusts accordingly.
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 18, 2003 21:55:30 GMT -5
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Jan 18, 2003 21:56:04 GMT -5
Outlet passes by the D. D pinching in the O zone. Forwards helping in the D zone. Quick transitions to O in the neutral zone. Shooting the puck on net (the opponent's that is). Puck control on the PP. Discipline on the PK. These are some of my favourite things. ------------------------------------------------- Brisebois with 2 assists. .
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Post by PTH on Jan 18, 2003 21:56:20 GMT -5
Really liked what I saw, other than the OT goal, I think Theo isn't used to going so long between tough shots.
-Hainsey played a strong game. Looks to me like he and Quintal form the 2nd pairing, and Markov-Brisebois form the top one. Which means Rivet and Traverse have been demoted. Good.
-Looks like there was better coordination between the forwards and the D from the bench. When the Markov-Brisebois pairing was on, there was always the Koivu or the Perreault line on the ice. And when the 4th line was on, it was always Traverse-Rivet on the ice.
-CJ likes to play his top line against the opposing top line - which means we might get less of a contribution from Koivu, since his line has to backcheck more. Also, Koiv-Zed got some time on the PK, that's something to worry about, ice time wise...
-Our 4th line just isn't good enough to be a regular line in this league. We can afford one big slow guy, but not both McKay and Blouin.
Overall I like what I see, but at the same time we could be critical about the players on the ice in OT (Perreault-Petrov-Rivet-Traverse to start...) and the complete disarray on the PP.
I also worry that with such quick changes, lines won't have time to really get going on offense.
Still, overall we got what we expected - more skating and fewer shots again.
We still got just one point though.
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Post by PTH on Jan 18, 2003 21:58:59 GMT -5
Now, Julien got a couple of days to work with the team... Not really. They travel tomorrow, and Monday's game is at 5PM... they might get in a light skate tomorrow, but nothing serious.
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Post by Gord on Jan 18, 2003 22:00:04 GMT -5
I liked a few things that I saw in this game:
- Hainsey actually used extensively on the power play (he's an offensive defenceman, after all). I also liked the way he wasn't afraid to put the puck on the net, be it a big slap shot or a little wrister. You can't score if you don't shoot.
- Koivu used on the penalty kill (he's 27, he can handle the icetime).
- Serious jump in the second half of this game, where we have traditionally trailed off. The Leafs did not deserve to win this one and they knew it.
- Bulis skated well with Perreault and Petrov, lots of energy
Things I didn't like:
- Perreault and Traverse on the ice for the last minute of a 2-2 tie. I understand maybe you want him out there for the faceoff, but then he gets replaced quickly if he loses it.
- Not nearly enough hitting still, I expected them to come out throwing bodies around.
Overall though, I liked what I saw. Seriously outshot the Leafs, I don't recall a game in recent memory where we out shot a team that badly. They got away with one.
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 18, 2003 22:00:20 GMT -5
Some scores that involve us:
TB lose 3-2 to Philly
Boston wins 7-2 vs Columbus
4-2 Devils vs Canes late in the 3rd
3-0 Panthers vs Pens late in the 3rd
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Post by UberCranky on Jan 18, 2003 22:01:39 GMT -5
Really liked what I saw, other than the OT goal, I think Theo isn't used to going so long between tough shots. -Hainsey played a strong game. Looks to me like he and Quintal form the 2nd pairing, and Markov-Brisebois form the top one. Which means Rivet and Traverse have been demoted. Good. -Looks like there was better coordination between the forwards and the D from the bench. When the Markov-Brisebois pairing was on, there was always the Koivu or the Perreault line on the ice. And when the 4th line was on, it was always Traverse-Rivet on the ice. -CJ likes to play his top line against the opposing top line - which means we might get less of a contribution from Koivu, since his line has to backcheck more. Also, Koiv-Zed got some time on the PK, that's something to worry about, ice time wise... -Our 4th line just isn't good enough to be a regular line in this league. We can afford one big slow guy, but not both McKay and Blouin. Overall I like what I see, but at the same time we could be critical about the players on the ice in OT (Perreault-Petrov-Rivet-Traverse to start...) and the complete disarray on the PP. I also worry that with such quick changes, lines won't have time to really get going on offense. Still, overall we got what we expected - more skating and fewer shots again. We still got just one point though. Someone has to get Julien a lap top so we can help him. Beats me why he did not put the Koivu line on wholesale. He has last change. Julien made a mistake on that.
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Post by UberCranky on Jan 18, 2003 22:04:32 GMT -5
Does anyone have the time sheets? Where can I get them?
I want to see how much Travest played in the third. Versus Hainsey.
Gord? GORD? Is that you? Were you hiding in the bushes worried about Therrien and his yellow suits?
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Post by spozzy on Jan 18, 2003 22:07:02 GMT -5
At least the team eventually pulled out a good effort for the coach. This is only the second time all season we've gotten a point after being down after two periods. More thoughts as they pop into my head: The Leafs had to be tired in the 2nd half of the game, so it is a real pitty we didn't get 2 points. I've thought for a long time that Traverse would be a better forward than defenseman. I like the idea of Markov pairing with Brisebois (I've had this idea for a while...it just makes sense). I think it may take a while for us to see a significantly improved PP and PK (Julien just doens't have enough time now to tell his other coaches what they're doing wrong). At first Theodore looked really terrible on Antropov's winning goal, but I realize now he MUST of been screened..because that was not a hard shot and Theo hardly even moved. I hope AS makes a trade soon 'cause things are still too messy. Hackett and Audette, for different reasons, are diseases on this team (Hackett?? Yes. He may be a great guy, but he can't possibly feel part of this team..just look at his face). I also hope the media begins to throw their support behind Julien. Arrghh...I hate losing to the Leafs. _________________
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Post by rocky on Jan 18, 2003 22:07:08 GMT -5
Does anyone have the time sheets? Where can I get them? I want to see how much Travest played in the third. Versus Hainsey. Gord? GORD? Is that you? Were you hiding in the bushes worried about Therrien and his yellow suits? sports.espn.go.com/nhl/boxscore?gameId=230118010try the above HA . Scroll down a tad
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Post by legaspesien on Jan 18, 2003 22:12:24 GMT -5
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Jan 18, 2003 22:16:15 GMT -5
This may be way premature, but by his appearance behind the bench Julien gives me the impression of a man who is secure in his ability. Therrien looked too often like a man who had just eaten a lemon and was fighting to keep it down.
I think Julien will restore some of Savard's lost lustre. In fact he may well turn some currently questionable assets into good investments (Czerkawski, Ribeiro). Of course Julien's own success will go a long toward helping Uncle George excuse the $600,000+ worth of head coach he no longer has.
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Post by rocky on Jan 18, 2003 22:18:48 GMT -5
Sorry HA, this only has game total times, figure it out ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D. I asked rocky but he wouldn't tell me, pouty again.
Anyway I just got home from family doo ( the things a guy must do ), I read the summary, the r us game thread and this thread, now I'm caught up. Those Leafs count on lady luck as part of their game plan. Great reports from all you whipper- snappers, I almost feel normal again. Where did we get all the SOG, was there a lot of emotion? Travvy still played over 20 min. but you guys are saying that he has lost his gilded perch. Excellent, now send the scud to Hamilton and bring up the much maligned Frankie, he's got way more talent that the crane man. Cheers ,keep talking, for crying out loud.
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 18, 2003 22:20:00 GMT -5
Habs really used their speed down low in the Leafs zone. That's how they got alot of shots
Laffs also blocked about 50 shots tonight. I am serious. Their D and forwards did an excellent job.
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Jan 18, 2003 22:20:21 GMT -5
Good link. Thanks. One line made me chuckle: Audette Virus
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Post by UberCranky on Jan 18, 2003 22:21:52 GMT -5
This may be way premature, but by his appearance behind the bench Julien gives me the impression of a man who is secure in his ability. Therrien looked too often like a man who had just eaten a lemon and was fighting to keep it down. I think Julien will restore some of Savard's lost lustre. In fact he may well turn some currently questionable assets into good investments (Czerkawski, Ribeiro). Of course Julien's own success will go a long toward helping Uncle George excuse the $600,000+ worth of head coach he no longer has. GG has lost millions upon millions on unproductive players so another 600K should not matter. I am not sure that Ribiero is worth more investment time. Cz looked like he tossed 50 tons of his back.Could this be the beggining. I wonder what Julien said about Audette. Did he TELL Savard he doesn't want him to dress? Is he going to TELL Savard he doesn't want that Travesty out there? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Travesre time cut. Audi on the press box. MThead headless. FANTASTIC. <--- ME DANACING IN THE AISLES
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Post by MC Habber on Jan 18, 2003 22:22:15 GMT -5
Shots by line:
1st line: 9 2nd line: 10 3rd line: 7 4th line: 0
Maybe the 4th line was overused but I'm happy to see them getting more ice time than they did under MT, plus the first line didn't look as good as they usually do, so it's justified to give Ribeiro a chance to produce. It looks like we may finally have 4 lines that can work, and that's with Kilger, Audette and Gilmour out of the lineup.
Best part of the game: seeing Hainsey used extensively late in the third period ;D. Your young players will never develop any confidence if you don't show them any.
As usual, the refereeing was pretty bad, but I liked that they didn't call anything in the third period.
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 18, 2003 22:23:58 GMT -5
How does Gilmour fit in all of this 4th line center? Kilger-Gilmour-McKay? CJ just called Chow's effort ''excellent'' tonight. Can't wait for monday's game.
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Jan 18, 2003 22:35:50 GMT -5
GG has lost millions upon millions on unproductive players so another 600K should not matter. I am not sure that Ribiero is worth more investment time. Cz looked like he tossed 50 tons of his back.Could this be the beggining. I wonder what Julien said about Audette. Did he TELL Savard he doesn't want him to dress? Is he going to TELL Savard he doesn't want that Travesty out there? True enough, but I'm sure Uncle George has taken André aside and lectured him about blowing his allowance on junk. Besides, it's more what signing players and coaches who don't pan out does to Savard's credibility in his boss's eyes. Sure there's a margin of error granted, but it isn't infinite. I think Ribeiro should get some serious ice-time and not have two knuckle-draggers for linemates. Then we can see, for once and for all. Therrien screwed him up pretty good last year. Remember that Ribeiro had been playing very well and was selected to the Young Stars game. He was arguably the best player in camp this year, before he had his collarbone cracked. I'm not giving up on him yet. If anyone can bring him along, it's Julien. Agree 100% about Czerkawski. He looked like he was having fun out there tonight. To his credit, Audette was graceful in the press about his benching. Apparently Julien had a tete-a-tete with him.
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Post by rocky on Jan 18, 2003 22:38:18 GMT -5
GG has lomillions upon millions on unproductive players so another 600K should not matter. I am not sure that Ribiero is worth more investment time. Cz looked like he tossed 50 tons of his back.Could this be the beggining. I wonder what Julien said about Audette. Did he TELL Savard he doesn't want him to dress? Is he going to TELL Savard he doesn't want that Travesty out there? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Travesre time cut. Audi on the press box. MThead headless. FANTASTIC. <--- ME DANACING IN THE AISLES Hey dude you need some sun. Is that your csis disguise? ;D No wait a minute, its Dr. Strangelove Did you see it? You want to talk about it in the None Hockey forum? Didn't I tell you I am celebrating MTheads coaching execution?
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Post by seventeen on Jan 18, 2003 22:41:41 GMT -5
Habs really used their speed down low in the Leafs zone. That's how they got alot of shots Laffs also blocked about 50 shots tonight. I am serious. Their D and forwards did an excellent job. Yep, I saw that too Marc. Svehla especially. Gotta fake the shot and someone else has to get open for a pass, Next time, I think we'll be better prepared.
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 18, 2003 22:42:03 GMT -5
Chow:
''with the old regime..I was playing because they had to play me(because of his salary and veteran status)...now I feel they have confidence in me''
Or something close to that
Rivet said CJ did an excellent job with line changes, rolling lines, making in game changes,etc
Quintal said if we play like that we will make the playoffs
and Theo looked absolutely devastated(his look on his face).
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Post by rocky on Jan 18, 2003 22:50:13 GMT -5
Hey dude you need some sun. Is that your csis disguise? ;D No wait a minute, its Dr. Strangelove Did you see it? You want to talk about it in the None Hockey forum? Didn't I tell you I am celebrating MTheads coaching execution?Hard luck story or what HA, I went to work(?) today and it was out on loan, so I placed a "hold" on it, I'll pay close attention in order to hang in there. Love your dancing celebration though, proper thing to do under these wonderful circumstances.
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