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Post by rocky on Jan 11, 2003 21:34:50 GMT -5
I suspect that Marc is either at the game or is heeding the lover call either way I'll pinch hit for him , lousy effort by the boys tonight, wtf we needed this one badly
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Post by seventeen on Jan 11, 2003 21:45:12 GMT -5
Yes, yes, yes! Sorry guys, but I'm still hoping we lose every game from here to the end of the year, or until MT is deposed, whichever comes first) to really test Savard's pigheadedness. If we can manage that, then GG will have to stand up and take notice, as his playoff dates vanish. Ostracize Therrien!
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Post by PTH on Jan 11, 2003 21:47:36 GMT -5
Copying over comments from another thread to get things started:
Hossa was skating, each and every shift, positioning himself to receive a pass or going after the puck himself. Above all, he was skating.
As to the rest of the team, Zed seemed to have the wrong stick tonight, but at least he was trying, Koivu did all a single guy can do, Markov seemed a bit out of it as well, but was trying too. The rest of the lineup just sucked.
Someone has to take Bulis aside and show him not to aim so perfectly for the opposite goalie's crest, he seems to hit it every time he gets a clear shot...
Perreault seemed to be going through the motions...
Gilmour got caught a few times making blind passes
Traverse was all-around awful - that Hossa pass was his one solid play of the night.
Brisebois had an OK game, I liked seeing him paired with Markov..... when we need offense those two should be out there with the Koivu line.... essentially, at this point, those 5 are the ones who can get things going, the other 13 skaters on the roster are just fillers...
I'm starting to really dislike Ribeiro BTW. Blouin tried to do his job, as a 4th line goon he's OK, but with guys like him on our 4th line, the only way to get the line working is to have it be very stable, so the players get used to each other.
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Post by rocky on Jan 11, 2003 21:50:13 GMT -5
Traverse must be the nicest guy on the planet, he sure is a lousy defenseman. Caused the game winner with his weak play, then his ice-time even increased more, why, why, oh why?
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Post by JFM on Jan 11, 2003 21:57:08 GMT -5
PA- THE- TIC!! No other way to sum up this effort. One line getting all the "chances" brutal defensive zone play. I thought Buffalo played last night..... not the Habs. Sure didn't look that way. Traverse/ Brisebois no.1 defensive pair is finally playing to the level that logic has always been suggested. I'm fed up! Call me a traitor, but I WANT this team to tank so that we have a shot at a potential impact player at this summer's draft. I'm tired of watching this team consistently coming out flattter than the prairies, then give half hearted/ half assed attempts at playing a 60 minute game. It's time to face facts, last year was an aberration, and gave all of us here false hopes for this season. We are NOT a playoff team this year. Time to blow it up and start basically from scratch. No more "rebuilding" on the fly. Sorry for the rant, but my patience has finally run out.
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Post by montreal on Jan 11, 2003 22:22:05 GMT -5
Our defense is freaking brutal. What the @#*& is wrong with our defense. We gave up so many odd man rushes, it was pitful to watch. Why not just get rid of all our defense and go with 5 forwards at all times, as they can't be any worse. I can even say how many times I saw a defensemen out of position. Wow. Traverse, needs to sit. Dykhuis I watched turn the puck over, then get it back, and go and turn it over seconds later.
Well on the bright side, Hossa, and the draft is only 6 months away. A top 10 pick will ease the pain. And lots of pink slips for current Hab players and coaches. ;D
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Post by rocky on Jan 11, 2003 22:24:35 GMT -5
PA- THE- TIC!! No other way to sum up this effort. One line getting all the "chances" brutal defensive zone play. I thought Buffalo played last night..... not the Habs. Sure didn't look that way. Traverse/ Brisebois no.1 defensive pair is finally playing to the level that logic has always been suggested. I'm fed up! Call me a traitor, but I WANT this team to tank so that we have a shot at a potential impact player at this summer's draft. I'm tired of watching this team consistently coming out flattter than the prairies, then give half hearted/ half assed attempts at playing a 60 minute game. It's time to face facts, last year was an aberration, and gave all of us here false hopes for this season. We are NOT a playoff team this year. Time to blow it up and start basically from scratch. No more "rebuilding" on the fly. Sorry for the rant, but my patience has finally run out. Pretty well sums things up for me too, JFM. I'd rather we went with a youth movement type attitude than this apathy. Only this is Montreal, so the stubborn " make the playoffs " mode will remain.
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Post by MC Habber on Jan 11, 2003 23:28:06 GMT -5
I thought Ribeiro was alright in the 4 shifts he got tonight . It's hard to be effective when you come out once a period - obviously ribs isn't made for 4th line duty. He's always had skill but this year he has more of an offensive side to his game. I've been able to go to 2 games this year (one in Vancouver, one in Montreal) and he was winning battles along the boards and protecting the puck with his body. He looks much stronger than he used to and I think he will one day be an important part of whatever team he plays for. IMO, Montreal could have had 3 scoring lines this year if Audette and Czerk played better and Ribs got more ice-time/didn't get injured. I don't understand why Juneau's line who haven't scored since around November played so much late in the third with the Habs down by one. I know the 2nd line wasn't doing much but it's Gilmour's first game back and if they'd dressed Kilger or Czerk or Ward in place of Blouin they might have had a 4th line that could help out.
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Post by habwest on Jan 11, 2003 23:39:29 GMT -5
I didn't watch the game, only caught the highlights. My one impression from this was that the Habs are giving up the slot. There seems to be no forward around to take care of it. You aren't going to win many games when you're giving up the slot.
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Post by GoMtl on Jan 12, 2003 0:57:17 GMT -5
and i come home to this!? if it wasn't bad enough my team got blown out 6-2 in a game we should have won, i come home to the habs losing to buffalo in a must win situation... it hurts, a lot! well two positives came out of this. a great dinner at mcdonalds ;D and another marcel hossa goal. damn this kid is impressing me.
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 12, 2003 15:28:34 GMT -5
I suspect that Marc is either at the game or is heeding the lover call either way I'll pinch hit for him , lousy effort by the boys tonight, wtf we needed this one badly Was at the cottage and the power supply for my portable cpu went kaput. What a terrible game. Good first period. Hossa's goal was great sniper like. Decent pass by traverse but Hossa just found the opening like the Brett Hull's do... HORRIBLE 2nd period. Mair should have had a penalty for holding Perreault's stick on the 2nd goal. Habs gave up like 5 2 on 1's the whole period. Damn good thing Theodore was around to save the day becayse this had BLOWOUT written all over it 3rd goal was ALL Traverse. What a horrible play. Time for Patricia to take a seat in the pressbox. And him and Brisebois really screwed up with 2:20 to go causing that penalty. Habs once again lose trailing after 2. Depressing. 1 win in 9 games...plenty of 1 goal losses...my patience is wearing thin.
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 12, 2003 15:31:22 GMT -5
Copying over comments from another thread to get things started: I'm starting to really dislike Ribeiro BTW. Blouin tried to do his job, as a 4th line goon he's OK, but with guys like him on our 4th line, the only way to get the line working is to have it be very stable, so the players get used to each other. why and how? Ribs is a no win situation right now. He is an offensive player playing with zero talent. I really can't even have an opinion of Ribs with the few minutes he plays a night..
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Post by Ged on Jan 12, 2003 16:17:23 GMT -5
I didn't watch the game, only caught the highlights. My one impression from this was that the Habs are giving up the slot. There seems to be no forward around to take care of it. You aren't going to win many games when you're giving up the slot. Highlights can be very deceiving. True enough, they may be giving up the slot, but that's been going on for years. The defenceman may have decent enough size but are very passive, or should I say p*ssyive. The real problem last night in my estimation was odd man rushes. Buffalo must have had close to a dozen. It'd be interesting to find out how many odd man rushes we've had for, as opposed to against. I would think the ratio would be something like 10-1. You're not going to win a bunch of games if that keeps up. Sad thing is, is that has been going on all year, and nothing ever seems to be done to address it. Do these guys practice anything on their off days (PP & PK both near 30th in the league, defensive zone coverage, break out plays) or do they just skate around haphazardly like they do in their games? Can the coach. Get off the pot already, Andre.
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 12, 2003 16:20:35 GMT -5
I am the only one who thinks the gaps between the Habs forwards and d-men are HUMONGOUS!!!
That's why the defence can't get the freakin puck out!!
I am going to the game tomorrow and have seats up in the whites...so I will see if my thinking is true(you don't always see this on TV).
oh and here is a question...how can Buffalo forecheck us to death with 2-3 forwards in deep and be 5 back in the defensive zone? why can't we play like that?
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Post by PTH on Jan 12, 2003 17:53:59 GMT -5
why and how? Ribs is a no win situation right now. He is an offensive player playing with zero talent. I really can't even have an opinion of Ribs with the few minutes he plays a night.. Well, just look at what he does with those minutes. Bad passes, weak shots, etc. Unless he actually has the puck and he's in the offensive zone with no bad guys for at least 5 feet in all directions, he's useless...
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Post by habwest on Jan 12, 2003 20:02:19 GMT -5
Ged, I think that it's beyond a dman's resposibility to cover the mid to high slot area; that has to be a forward's responsibility. Buffalo got two goals because of that. My point really was that the Habs continue to suffer defensive breakdowns in their own zone. I take your point about odd man rushes though. These may have caused those breakdowns.
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jan 13, 2003 8:25:22 GMT -5
Well, just look at what he does with those minutes. Bad passes, weak shots, etc. Unless he actually has the puck and he's in the offensive zone with no bad guys for at least 5 feet in all directions, he's useless... I think that's a bit unfair. Ribs has on of the lowest icetime on the team, never plays with the same linesmate and more often then not it's with stiffs like Lindsay and Blouin. Yet with that, he will generate a chance or 2 and avoid being in too much in trouble. With steady linesmate (hint: Kilger and Ward) he could be part of a decent and usefull 4th line IMO. I see him as part of the solution rather then part of the problem.
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Post by habwest on Jan 13, 2003 16:32:38 GMT -5
Well, one thing for sure. We'll never find out about Ribs, one way or the other, as long as MT is the coach. He has an allergy to 4th lines. He seems to like playing about 7 or 8 forwards regularly, the rest often appear to be fill ins.
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Post by Willie Dog on Jan 13, 2003 16:38:07 GMT -5
Well, one thing for sure. We'll never find out about Ribs, one way or the other, as long as MT is the coach. He has an allergy to 4th lines. He seems to like playing about 7 or 8 forwards regularly, the rest often appear to be fill ins. The problem with MT doing that is by the time the playoffs roll around all of your stars are totally bagged and can't maintain the pace.
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