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Post by PTH on Jan 9, 2003 0:20:06 GMT -5
What would you do if you were AS right now, the Pens might be mighty interested in a guy like Hackett, but they are direct competition for a playoff spot.
With the kid of payroll we have, it's risky for AS to do anything that doesn't help push us towards the playoffs, since missing them would put AS is GG's bad graces.
Then again, moving Hackett might mean getting a significant asset back to help the rebuild.
Assuming Pittsburgh is willing to put someone useful (say Nieminen) on the board, what do you do ? Take the deal and risk missing the playoffs by your own fault, or turn it down, and risk losing an asset for very little - while still having no certainty of making the playoffs.
So, what would it take for you to give the Pens Hackett ? (assuming they want him of course - they might be willing to go some other route, but that's not interesting to us).
Given that I've never had huge expectations for this season, I'd let Hack go for just about anyone that I'm sure will be a useful player next season ( ie - not someone who will get 5 games on his off wing and get sent down to the AHL if he doesn't have serious numbers). Nieminen would, IMO, be a really good fit.
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Post by GoMtl on Jan 9, 2003 0:51:02 GMT -5
is it just coincidence that tom barrasso just resigned with the penguins to "retire" as a pen, or possibly could he be back to play a few games?
anyways, yeah i'd make a trade if they were willing to give us something very useful.
a guy like michal sivek interests me (big centre, 6'3" 210, with good potential). not too sure, he might be too highly touted, either way, pens don't seem to have all that many interesting players as far as d-men go at the NHL level, but they have plenty of great prospects, forwards and d-men.
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Post by Ged on Jan 9, 2003 0:51:31 GMT -5
If I was A.S. I'd take anger management courses. I didn't see last nights display, but by all accounts he didn't do himself any favours.
If I was A.S. I'd make the necessary moves beforehand, so that the faults in those tectonic plates don't keep pressuring up, resulting in a big earthquake. Moves like sending Audette and Brisebois to Siberia.
If I was A.S. I'd have fired the coach eons ago.
If I was A.S. I'd stop bringing out George's wallet for mediocre, or less than mediocre, players.
And finally if were A.S., I'd bookmark HabsRus and read it every morning with my coffee.
But that's a bit too much to ask, all in one fell swoop like that. Seriously though, the Pens desperately need to make the playoffs (in terms of revenue) and to do that they're going to need a #1 goalie, in my estimation. We need big help on defense, but I don't know if the Pens have anything we need. We also need some size up front, so Nieminen would be interesting. He's gonna have to do something before the deadline, that's for sure, 'cause Hack would have to have a straightjacket on, and a roll of duct tape plastered around his head, to re-sign with this circus. And in a padded room, no less.
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Post by UberCranky on Jan 9, 2003 1:04:51 GMT -5
And finally if were A.S., I'd bookmark HabsRus and read it every morning with my coffee. Then we will have to charge him for advice......................
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Post by seventeen on Jan 9, 2003 1:33:03 GMT -5
HA, did Fraser steal your fedora too?
He wouldn't live long enough to get it to his head. I abide by the John Ferguson rules. Hit first and ask questions later.
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Post by montreal on Jan 9, 2003 1:45:19 GMT -5
Well call me crazy but I wonder if the Canes would be interested in Hackett. I know they have Weeks and Irbe, but they are in a doward spiral (like us) and I watched their game tonight and Irbe was bad again. Also the Canes announcers (who suck and are some of the biggest homers) were saying that the GM said he will make a deal to shake up the team. Doesn't mean much, as GM's say those things all the time, but the Canes have to make the playoffs, after going so far in them last year. (BOO ) Irbe asked to be traded before, and with his crappy play of late, I would be worried if I were the Canes. Weeks, is good, but having Hackett around should help the young goalie, and if we eat some of the 1.8M that Hackett would get for the rest of his contract, it might make sense for the Canes to make a move now. The Canes announcers were saying Kapanen and Batagilla were "rumored" to be on the block. The 4th period.com has us as rumored to be interested in Kapanen (why not get smaller ) but who knows. Either way it's clear Savard is under a lot of pressure. Poor guy, if he could just get rid of Audette, Hackett, and Chow, that's a lot of money off the books, and then if we miss the playoffs, we get rewarded with a very good pick in the draft, a lower payroll for next year, and Hossa/Hainsey/Garon would make the team younger and cheaper and easier to watch.
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 9, 2003 10:10:19 GMT -5
Interesting debate PTH.
If the Pens really want Hack, they better come up with a pretty good offer for sure...but can they afford him?
I like Nieminen as well. Very feisty. Decent goal scorer. Could be part of a 3rd line and do a great job. Not the biggest guy though.
I guess it all depends on where we are in the standings and where they are in the standings. If Habs are out by the trade deadline and Pens want Hackett, then by all means trade him and get something. But if Habs are battling with the Pens for that last spot...I don't think a trade will happen between the 2 teams
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Post by legaspesien on Jan 9, 2003 10:21:17 GMT -5
Interesting debate PTH. I like Nieminen as well. Very feisty. Decent goal scorer. Could be part of a 3rd line and do a great job. Not the biggest guy though. Don't we have lots of that type of players....
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Post by Lord Stanley on Jan 9, 2003 10:54:25 GMT -5
Don't we have lots of that type of players.... I am all with Le gaspesien on that one. It wouldn't do us any good.. All we could ask for is either a middle round draft pick or a future regular player prospect that won't be here before one or two years at least. Or you will be stuck with too many NHLers
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 9, 2003 12:54:30 GMT -5
Don't we have lots of that type of players.... But if it's the best offer you can get?
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Post by habwest on Jan 10, 2003 0:29:29 GMT -5
I'm kind of coming from where PTH is in not expecting much from this year. Would Wayne Primeau be of any interest? Big center to check the Thornton's etc. Scores a bit (20 points yr), not too old at 26. However I don't know enough about him to know whether he could fill that role satisfactorily.
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Post by Patty Roy on Jan 10, 2003 18:09:50 GMT -5
What would you do if you were AS right now, the Pens might be mighty interested in a guy like Hackett, but they are direct competition for a playoff spot. With the kid of payroll we have, it's risky for AS to do anything that doesn't help push us towards the playoffs, since missing them would put AS is GG's bad graces. Then again, moving Hackett might mean getting a significant asset back to help the rebuild. Assuming Pittsburgh is willing to put someone useful (say Nieminen) on the board, what do you do ? Take the deal and risk missing the playoffs by your own fault, or turn it down, and risk losing an asset for very little - while still having no certainty of making the playoffs. So, what would it take for you to give the Pens Hackett ? (assuming they want him of course - they might be willing to go some other route, but that's not interesting to us). Given that I've never had huge expectations for this season, I'd let Hack go for just about anyone that I'm sure will be a useful player next season ( ie - not someone who will get 5 games on his off wing and get sent down to the AHL if he doesn't have serious numbers). Nieminen would, IMO, be a really good fit. If Nieminen is on the table, i would definitely move Hackett. That said, i don't see the point in simply giving Hack away at this point. Hackett still has some value to the Habs, and there is just no way that Garon will get in his 12 or so games, so there isn't much motivation in trading Hackett unless the return is decent. Honestly, at this point i am more concerned with losing both Hack and Garon this summer. I think AS needs to lock up one of these guys (preferably Garon). My guess is that we wont get much of interest for Hack, so we should just keep him around for the rest of the season and sign Garon to an extension.
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Post by UberCranky on Jan 10, 2003 18:15:18 GMT -5
My recurring nightmare………………..
We trade Hack and Theo gets injured. Can you say “cellar dwellers”.
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Jan 10, 2003 19:03:44 GMT -5
My recurring nightmare……………….. We trade Hack and Theo gets injured. Can you say “cellar dwellers”. It could be even worse than that. Garon gets called up, plays all the remaining games and is responsible for the Habs making the playoffs. Then, after having saved the Habs bacon he says bonjour la visite and files for free agency. Whereupon Eric Fichaud wets himself.
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 10, 2003 19:16:26 GMT -5
It could be even worse than that. Garon gets called up, plays all the remaining games and is responsible for the Habs making the playoffs. Then, after having saved the Habs bacon he says bonjour la visite and files for free agency. Whereupon Eric Fichaud wets himself. and Theo's injury is a long term one how is that for doom and gloom?
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Post by PTH on Jan 10, 2003 19:26:42 GMT -5
It could be even worse than that. Garon gets called up, plays all the remaining games and is responsible for the Habs making the playoffs. Then, after having saved the Habs bacon he says bonjour la visite and files for free agency. Whereupon Eric Fichaud wets himself. If Garon plays the rest of the games, he's not a UFA. He needs to play 30+ minutes in 12 games, that's all.
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 10, 2003 19:32:42 GMT -5
If Garon plays the rest of the games, he's not a UFA. He needs to play 30+ minutes in 12 games, that's all. say Theodore gets injured with 10 games to play...
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Post by PTH on Jan 10, 2003 19:38:34 GMT -5
say Theodore gets injured with 10 games to play... To have a real effect on his value as a value, he'd have to be incredibly unreal in those 10 games to have an effect on his value as a UFA. Plenty of young goalies have hot spurts then disappear. André Racicot once won 17 of 23 games, and the next season he was on his way out of the league.....
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