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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 8, 2003 9:50:35 GMT -5
3 games at home against the Rangers, Sabres, flaming Flames and on the road in Atlanta
8 points. Gotta win all 4 of them IMO.
The race is so tight in the east..we are 1 point out of a playoff spot and like 12th in the East.
We can't blow any more points now. Every time we have the opportunity to win a game, it's gotta be 2 points into the bank.
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Post by Ryan on Jan 8, 2003 10:02:15 GMT -5
Who cares? What's it matter?
I'm making no effort to watch another Habs game until MT is fired. This isn't Toronto, I'm not a cheerleader that's gonna root for this organization no matter what.
I've got no problems with the players but the coaching staff and possibly management have to go. I've always been a big Savard supporter but if he doesn't have the vision to see that MT is a failure and the balls to fire him then what makes me think he can lead this team to a Cup?
Lacroix axed one of his best friends as coach and has made some of the best, and most risky trades in recent memory. All he has to show for it is Stanley Cups.
Friggin wake up Montreal and do something.
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jan 8, 2003 10:13:25 GMT -5
Savard is playing a very dangerous game...
His players are slumping, his team is sinking and he's not doing anything about it... Plus, he loses his composure, goes down and looks like a darn freak on HABS network. Not good for the "image" when your GM looks totally panicked in the middle of a severe storm.
A defeat or 2 and if Savard still has no answers, I think he will pay the price. His stubborneness to protect a coach that has lost the control of his team since last year is mind boggling and will cost him.
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Post by Ryan on Jan 8, 2003 10:23:52 GMT -5
A defeat or 2 and if Savard still has no answers, I think he will pay the price. His stubborneness to protect a coach that has lost the control of his team since last year is mind boggling and will cost him. Totally agree. He's done some good things so far, but hasn't exactly traded Alex Stojanov for Markus Naslund. I'm sick of this situation right now, I want nothing but blow-outs until one or both are gone.
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Post by Yeti on Jan 8, 2003 10:55:14 GMT -5
Doc and Ryan, thank you, thank you, thank you....! That is exactly how I feel. As comments yesterday really annoyed me. It goes against evrerything that was said since GG came over. We are rebuilding, the coach is working hard, trading is not the solution, blablabla. Basically, he told us to wait, that the real show is for 2005... Sorry, it doesn't work that way. Who knows what will happen in 2005, maybe Koivu will sign somewhere else as a free agent, maybe Zednick will be out after his 5th concussion... It's not static, you can't look at it that way (ex: I'll keep this core and add these prospects). Of course, we don't want him to sell the farm just to make the playoffs this year. But he has to try something. Right now, it seems moving Therrien is the easiest solution (also in terms of $$$ MT is making 300 000 per year). Well, do it! It's obvious to everyone that MT is not a top-notch coach, never was and never will be. Heck, I would be ready to see Julien getting a chance until the end of the season (I know, I know, another rookie coach... but if Gainey and cie are not available...). I have to admit I never liked MT. I was still working in Quebec city when the citadelles started, went to a few games and I thought MT was being outcoached most of the time. He was just so damn lucky to be at the right time at the right place. I'm glad i'm not able to see any game right now, but I want to see them in April and this is AS job to make sure they make it to the post-season.
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 8, 2003 11:10:55 GMT -5
so let's go rangers? the only time I have ever cheered against the Habs was in 2000-01 when I wanted us to desperately tank it and get a franchise player. I don't know if I can bring myself to doing it again but I want MT so gone.......... *sigh*
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Post by Ryan on Jan 8, 2003 11:20:07 GMT -5
the only time I have ever cheered against the Habs was in 2000-01 when I wanted us to desperately tank it and get a franchise player. I wouldn't suggest actually cheering against the Boys, like I said, I have no problem with the team. Sure there are things I want changed, but none of that matters until MT is gone. But you don't have to support this organization while they're screwing with us.
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Post by Ged on Jan 8, 2003 12:26:09 GMT -5
Hate to say I told you so but, I told you so. You could see this coming from a variety of angles, all ending in the same place. After the bench minor against the Canes, the proverbial mountain came crashing down, resulting in 8 goals I believe. Sure, there've been high points between now and then, but I don't think you have to be a genius to see this is where we would eventually wind up. Right now, for this exact moment, Savard needs to leave his cards on the table, vis a vis trades. He shouldn't be thinking about hasty, ill conceived moves at this point, or he'll likely get raped. For the thousandth time I'll say, the coach has got to go. It should have been done in the off season.
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Post by habwest on Jan 8, 2003 12:44:14 GMT -5
Well, one of the reasons why AS can't emulate Lacroix is that he didn't have the pot full of high draft picks that Lacroix did, either directly or through trading the "next great one". I would like to see how well Lacroix would do if he had a piddling team like the Habs that was never bad enough to get really high, or a lot of number one, draft picks. Let's see what happens when Roy, Sakic, Forsuburg and Blacke are gone or have declined. Well, maybe we're already seeing what will happen. In 8th spot, probably in no danger of missing the playoffs but not in their usual position among the top teams in the West and in the League.
As far as Savard's behavior after the game, Doc's right. He looked like an idiot. And he needs to reslove the Audette-Czerk situation. There's only room for one right now and it should be Czerk. Unfortunately the longer this goes on the more I feel like we're going to be saddled with Audette. AS has to carry the can for this one, at least until he sorts the situation out satisfactorily.
"And we don't have to support this organization while they're screwing with us." Well, no, we don't need to support them for whatever reason. But I don't think that AS is screwing with me or any fan for that matter. He may be pig headed, he may be making mistakes, but I don't think he's sitting there thinking...."now how can I screw this bunch of fans over there?" But if folks want to personalize it, hey, go for it.
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Post by GoMtl on Jan 8, 2003 15:32:58 GMT -5
I don't feel as if now is the time to panic, and I don't disagree with Savard for not making any changes yet. If the right trade came along earlier in the season he would have made it, other than that he wasn't down for changing anything. I think if we lose 3 of these next 4 games MT will be axed, but that's not likely to happen,we'll win 3 or 4 of them. this team has the skill to make the playoffs, and i believe will. yes we're on a skid now but there will be plenty more highs and lows along the path to the playoffs, and with the type of veteran leaders we have on this team (gilmour, koivu, mckay) and excellent goaltending we will in the end make the playoffs and will make it a series with whoever it is we play. that's my forecast for this season, very little change, unless we plummit to the bottom of the standings. as for after an early 1st or 2nd round exit from the playoffs i do think savard will fire therrien and we will get the coach we want, and dead weight veterans will be unloaded, for youngsters to emerge, just in time for next season.
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Post by JacquesInFL on Jan 9, 2003 16:48:25 GMT -5
Well, four wins consecutive is probably asking too much but I agree that signs of stress are appearing here and there. Savard's tantrum Tuesday night qualifies as the most obvious example. Stress fits the situation: this edition of the Habs costs $48M, carries expectations of playoff run from previous spring, and cannot factor injuries as significant. André faces crucial decisions over next three months. He cannot wait too long for the law of averages to solve what is wrong on the ice and storming down his office to solve what is wrong in the room.
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Post by Boston_Habs on Jan 9, 2003 17:39:16 GMT -5
It would be completely idiotic to even think of firing Savard when the best this team was destined for in 2002-03 was another low playoff spot and probable first round exit. Remember, it's not like this is THE TEAM that Savard put together to make a run for a championship. No, it's a cobbled together mix of veterans and castoffs, with some good young talent mixed in, with goal of keeping the ship afloat until the youngters are ready. We all know this.
Yes, I'm puzzled over his reluctance to give Therrien the axe, but eventually he will be forced to do just that, whether its during the season or after if we miss the playoffs.
As for Savard "doing nothing", what do you expect him to do? Make a trade just for the sake of shaking things up? There is no trade to make. Nobody wants any of the guys we want to trade and we don't want to trade any of the guys other teams want.
I think everybody needs to chill out.
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 9, 2003 17:58:07 GMT -5
who said we should fire AS ASAP?
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