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Post by PTH on Jan 7, 2003 22:58:14 GMT -5
does anybody remember an incident from that series in 1993? But what was the question asked to MT? maybe they just asked him ''what did Fraser tell you?'' and MT said Hextall? The whole disputed goal thing was in a previous series, something around 1987 or so I'd guess - in other words, I was a kid who didn't care about hockey all that much, and you probably weren't born.
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Post by rocky on Jan 7, 2003 22:59:31 GMT -5
does anybody remember an incident from that series in 1993? That series was loaded with incidents, Hextall was a raving idiot and it seemed as though Fraser was in hot water every time out. Old age is killing me , the 1st thing to go is the memory
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 7, 2003 23:04:10 GMT -5
Thanks guys...look at this ;D
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Post by rocky on Jan 7, 2003 23:04:28 GMT -5
110% is on now, they'll explain the Hextall thing.
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 7, 2003 23:05:16 GMT -5
110% is on now, they'll explain the Hextall thing. I am watching it But I dunno if they will explain the Hextall thing...they don't have a reporter with the team...
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 7, 2003 23:13:26 GMT -5
WTF is Jean Perron talking about?
Koivu's leadership?
Does it matter after what happened tonight?
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 7, 2003 23:15:27 GMT -5
and now they are talking about our d-man? Man these guys are brutal...
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Post by rocky on Jan 7, 2003 23:15:30 GMT -5
Peron should go the the bars after the show, had to believe that he ever coached the sacret ones.
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 7, 2003 23:17:32 GMT -5
and now they are bashing Markov Hello? we just got robbed by Fraser and they are bashing the Habs team? or should I say everyone on the Habs not born in Quebec?
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Post by rocky on Jan 7, 2003 23:18:08 GMT -5
Bureau's right about the 3rd lines
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Post by rocky on Jan 7, 2003 23:19:53 GMT -5
butt-heads
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 7, 2003 23:20:04 GMT -5
Villeneuve is an idiot ''Sens are the only team in hockey that plays 60 minutes''...ok yeah whatever I am sure he watches every game out there
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Post by rocky on Jan 7, 2003 23:23:32 GMT -5
Oh well, another restless sleep. Maybe I could wake up in 2yrs time and see the new, exciting, winning Habs
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 7, 2003 23:37:01 GMT -5
www.rds.ca/canadien/chroniques/HOCKEYLNHCAN3E1B9680.htmlIl est grand temps de rentrer à la maison Joe Nieuwendyk a marqué le but de la victoire sur cette séquence. Jeff Hackett n'en revient pas. Mardi 7 janvier 2003 - (RDS) - Michel Therrien et l'arbitre Kerry Fraser ne feront décidément jamais bon ménage. Après avoir imposé une pénalité au pilote du Canadien, qui a eu des conséquences désastreuses, lors du quatrième match de la série contre la Caroline en séries l'an dernier, l'officiel a cette fois rendu deux décisions douteuses, qui ont soulevé l'ire de Therrien dans une défaite de 3-2 face aux Devils du New Jersey. Un but controversé de Joe Nieuwendyk, son deuxième du match, a fait la différence dans cette victoire. Nieuwendyk n'a eu aucun mal à lancer la rondelle dans un filet désert après que le gardien Jeff Hackett soit entré en contact avec Jeff Friesen derrière son filet. Sur la séquence, le gardien du Tricolore a trébuché et Friessen a remis à son coéquipier qui a marqué son 499e en carrière. "Si on avait le droit de fapper le gardien, on l'aurait fait au cours du match, a dit Donald Audette. Martin Brodeur a passé toute la soirée à l'extérieur de son filet." "J'ai demandé à Fraser pourquoi il n'avait pas imposé de pénalité sur le jeu, a questionné Randy McKay. Il m'a répondu que Jeff s'était comporté comme un joueur en jouant la rondelle autour de son filet." Fraser a été vertement engueulé par les joueurs du Canadien. À la fin du match, Therrien ne s'est pas gêné pour dire sa façon de penser à l'officiel. Puis, André Savard, le directeur général du Canadien, est descendu à la hauteur de la glace pour à son tour argumenter avec Fraser. C'est l'entraîneur des Devils, Pat Burns, qui a tenté de calmer Savard. "Fraser me parlait de Ron Hextall", a ajouté Therrien qui semblait bien se demander ce que le nom de l'ancien gardien venait faire dans la discussion. Le Canadien termine son désastreux voyage de sept matchs à l'étranger avec un total trois points sur une possibilité de 14. Il rentre à la maison avec aucune victoire, quatre défaites, deux revers en prolongation et un match nul. Le Canadien a pourtant amorcé le match en force mais ce sont les Devils qui ont marqué le premier but du match lorsque Patrick Elias a sauté sur une rondelle libre pour battre Jeff Hackett dans le haut du filet. Ce but, qui est survenu peu de temps après que l'arbitre Kerry Fraser ait refusé un but à Mike Ribieiro, a semblé couper les jambes des hommes de Michel Therrien qui ont semblé retrouver un peu de vigueur avant la fin de l'engagement. L'entraîneur du Canadien a protesté mais en vain. La reprise télé a semblé donner raison au Canadien mais il aurait été difficile d'en faire la preuve à l'officiel puisque Fraser a refusé de faire appel au juge vidéo. Therrien était à prendre avec des pincettes après cette autre défaite. "Sur le but de Ribeiro, Fraser m'a dit qu'il y avait eu de l'obstruction sur Brodeur et sur l'autre séquence, l'arbitre m'a dit que Friessens n'avait pas fait d'obstruction sur Jeff. Je considère tout cela comme inacceptable et nous nous sommes fait voler deux points." "On a bien vu à la reprise que Ribeiro n'a touché pas au gardien." En deuxième période, le Canadien a marqué à deux reprises. D'abord Stéphane Quintal a créé l'égalité avec son troisième de la saison. Il a battu Martin Brodeur à l'aide d'un tir frappé. Puis, le nouveau venu Marcel Hossa a inscrit son premier filet de la saison. Hossa a récupéré une rondelle libre pour marquer. Hossa, qui était utilisé en compagnie de Donald Audette et Yanic Perreault a démontré de belles qualités. Son trio a provoqué plusieurs chances de marquer. Au dernier engagement, Nieuwendyk est sorti de nulle part pour inscrire son premier but du match, ce qui créait l'égalité. Hackett était de retour devant le filet du Tricolore. Ce n'était qu'un quatrième match en 13 parties pour lui. Le vétéran a été solide devant sa cage. Il a affronté 36 .tirs. Son vis-à-vis a reçu 22 tirs. Blessé à un genou, Oleg Petrov a cédé sa place à Sylvain Blouin. Le Canadien rentre immédiatement à Montréal et il disputera la victoire jeudi, face aux Rangers de New York au Centre Bell.
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 8, 2003 0:36:51 GMT -5
One posive tonight: Hossa
He was very good tonight!!
He will never get sent down again if he plays like that
He really used his size out there and could have had a few more points if Audette and Perreault had scored
How long until he finds his way with Koivu and Zed? especially if Bulis keeps missing on those chances
Bring back Gilmour/Perreault/Mac and the Bulis/Juneau/Dackell line when everyone is healthy. Mix and match with your 4th depending on who you are facing.
Time for the Habs to go back to the lines that got them on that hot streak before the road trip?
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Post by Ged on Jan 8, 2003 0:52:19 GMT -5
Well, that was quite a game. Had to have the wife tape it for me, so I got the action a little after the fact. Here's what I observed.
First goal was good. Ribiero may have been playing Tango in the crease, but there was no incidental contact, certainly not enough to call the goal back. He did do a bit of a shuffle in the crease with his legs, but it was inconsequential.
Devils first goal. My buddy Pat makes his one gaffe a game. Devil player swoops around the net, Pat stands like a statue in the crease, the rebound springs out, Pat stands like a statue in the crease. He blew it and he knew it. Why? The way he tomahawked the puck as it gently bounced out to his skateblades. But, in his defense, he made a gorgeous cross ice pass to send in Donny all alone, who missed. Surprise!!! Also, on the first Newy goal, Traverse was way out of position, and PB was doing everything he could to prevent, but, alas, it was in. Kilger looked pretty bad standing in the slot on that play.
Next was the third goal. Total bullsh&t. Hack was playing the puck and got run over. No goal. Interference. Even an uneducated hockey fan could call that one. Blatantly obvious.
Markov has to watch his diving or he will get a reputation. Something he doesn't need.
Not sure what the Hextall inference is about. But I can somewhat explain what you're talking about. I think it was the early "90s" but here's the play. Chelios viciously slams Brian Propp's head into the boards, resulting in a severe concussion, I believe. Hextall sees this, and tears after Chelios looking to take his head clean off his body. I believe the saner advocate took over and he didn't actually swing, but believe me, he wanted to.
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Post by FormerLurker on Jan 8, 2003 4:45:35 GMT -5
Yes, it was the Chelios on Propp hit that motivated Hextall, but that hit happened much earlier in the game or perhaps in the series. In the dying moments of the series, with the Habs about to advance and Hextall frustrated, Chelios was lugging the puck up ice. He crossed into the Flyers zone, and Hextall left his crease, throwing off his mask and gloves, and met a surprised Chelios at the top of the circle with a flying tackle.
This series also featured a pregame bench-clearing brawl. It had become a Habs ritual for Lemieux and I believe Corson to be the last ones to leave the ice after the warmup, and fire a puck down the ice into the empty Flyers net. The Flyers took exception to this. One game, Chico Resch and Brad McCrimmon stayed behind, and Resch turned the net around backwards. I can't remember what exactly happened next, but soon enough Corson and Lemieux were fighting Resch and McCrimmon. The word got into the dressing rooms, and players from both teams, half undressed, came back onto the ice and started fighting. There were no refs. The brawl lasted quite a while before the ref and linesmen came back out and ended it. The start of the game was delayed by at least 45 minutes if I remember correctly.
Anyway, I fail to see what Fraser thinks this has to do with a game played last night.
Edit: damn, I think I got two series mixed up. I think the brawl happened in '87, when the Flyers went to the finals, and the Chelios/Hextall incident was in '89, when the Habs did.
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Post by TheHabsfan on Jan 8, 2003 8:47:45 GMT -5
The biggest negative that I find with the game's result, is that Therrien cannot be fired yet. We didn't lose the game because of one of his stupid decisions and AS will not axe him for that reason. With AS's outburst at the end of the game, which I found quite funny actually, this showed AS's support for Therrien and there is no way Therrien will get the gate because of the referrees. We will have to wait another 4 or 5 games now. Pitty! On a positive note. Hossa was great. He was all over the ice on the powerplays. I hope he can keep it up. There is no doubt about his ability, only his heart. Sometimes he doesn't show up and that is why he doesn't stick. I hope he has learned his lesson and is willing to play 100% every night. He would also become an example for our other so called professionnals who give 60% effort on a regular basis. cheers
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jan 8, 2003 9:11:09 GMT -5
The whole disputed goal thing was in a previous series, something around 1987 or so I'd guess - in other words, I was a kid who didn't care about hockey all that much, and you probably weren't born. Yep. It was back when Bergy was coaching the Nords. Nordiques were coming off a VERY good season, they were one of the top team, if not the top team and probably could have gone along way in the playoffs but Fraser refused a goal that was good (if I remember it was either the tying goal or the go ahead goal of the 7th game...) and the Nords lost the game and the round. Fraser already had a pro-Habs reputation back then and I remember how Bergy said back then that it was insane for a such a well known pro-HABS ref to be officiating a HABS/Nords playoff game. HABS complained about Faser's officiating in the Boston playoff round last year and Fraser did not officiate a round past that one... Fraser used to be one of the ref right that was used right up to the finals in the previous years... He could definitely have a little something against us at this point.
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 8, 2003 9:44:13 GMT -5
Yep. It was back when Bergy was coaching the Nords. Nordiques were coming off a VERY good season, they were one of the top team, if not the top team and probably could have gone along way in the playoffs but Fraser refused a goal that was good (if I remember it was either the tying goal or the go ahead goal of the 7th game...) and the Nords lost the game and the round. Fraser already had a pro-Habs reputation back then and I remember how Bergy said back then that it was insane for a such a well known pro-HABS ref to be officiating a HABS/Nords playoff game. HABS complained about Faser's officiating in the Boston playoff round last year and Fraser did not officiate a round past that one... Fraser used to be one of the ref right that was used right up to the finals in the previous years... He could definitely have a little something against us at this point. did Fraser ref in the Boston series as well? I thought he was only ref'ing the Carolina one The Nords goal was the Alain Cote goal...I believe it was in OT
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jan 8, 2003 10:00:15 GMT -5
did Fraser ref in the Boston series as well? I thought he was only ref'ing the Carolina one The Nords goal was the Alain Cote goal...I believe it was in OT Sorry Marc, I meant to say Carolina not Boston. Fraser's decision to penalize Therrien did not go good at all with his boss it seems. And you're right it was Coté. If you think AS was furious last night, you should have seen Bergy when it happenned!!!
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 8, 2003 10:19:45 GMT -5
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 8, 2003 10:50:55 GMT -5
Yet in 2 years pretty much 75% of the team has been replaced...
are the new players similar to the old players?
is it the philosophy?
The coaching staff?
Why can the Leafs win without Sundin, Renberg, Antropov, Roberts, Mogilby and we can't win with a lineup that is healthier than it has been in years?
*cries and bangs head on keyboard*
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 8, 2003 18:41:31 GMT -5
2 more things
Just saw the replay 2 more times
1st off, Quintal should have had a hooking penalty on Friesen...and when Hackett would have touched the puck this whole thing would have never happened because the play would have been stopped and Devs would have had a PP
2nd, Friesen, not only did he hit Hack in the chest area, he also put his stick between Hack's legs which obviously did not help Hackett get back to his crease.
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Post by montreal on Jan 8, 2003 19:21:37 GMT -5
Well last night sucked, but thats life. In defense of Kerry the Hair Frasher, the Ribs goal should have counted, but Kerry called it interference which can't be reviewed. I have no ideal what he saw (actually to be fair, it did look like interference until I saw the replay). That really sucks, cause Ribs needs all the goals he can get.
I am glad Savard blew a gasket last night, but those outburst will do little to change things. Still good to see though.
Hossa had a strong game, and it was great to see so much youth in the lineup.
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