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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 5, 2003 11:13:07 GMT -5
Usually GM's wait for the perfect moment to replace their coach and that means facing weak/mediocre teams in the up coming games and a bunch of home games...
If Habs lose NJ...I am predicting it's bye-bye MT...
and the new coach gets to make his first impressions with this sched...
well, well, well,...what do we have here......
at home vs Rangers
at home vs Sabres
at home vs Flames
on road vs Thrashers
4 teams out of the playoffs, 3 games at home and 1 on the road against the woeful Thrashers
Come on AS...make it happen
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Post by TheHabsfan on Jan 5, 2003 11:59:36 GMT -5
I stated last week that the team was going to use this road trip to send AS a message. So far, although the team has played relatively well, they still do not have any wins. Is AS willing to accept a good effort without wins for very long? The team, except for Brisebois who seems to have forgotten how to skate, have been putting in a decent effort, and last night's comeback shows that this team still has some heart. But , a playoff spot is slowly slipping away and we now stand in 9th place. Something needs to give and hopefully for the team, AS will be doing to giving....Pink slip to the coaching staff. cheers
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 5, 2003 12:02:17 GMT -5
Effort means nothing when you only show it for 45-50 minutes per game
As was the case last night.
Why are the Habs NEVER prepared to start a game like a house on fire? How many times do we take a 3-0 lead 8 minutes in or something like that
It's gotta be preparation and that is a part of coaching.
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Post by TheHabsfan on Jan 5, 2003 12:25:15 GMT -5
No argument from me. But teams who put in 100% effort for 60 minutes are rare. Brain farts are common place in NHL games. The difference with the Habs is that all players seem to be farting at the same time. This is why we are seeing them, in the past couple of weeks, stinking up the place. Hope AS can't take much more the stench and takes out the "pot pourri"! cheers,
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Post by Raven on Jan 5, 2003 19:01:36 GMT -5
All I have to say to that topic is keep dreaming. There's no way in hell Savard is gonna fire the coach when we're at or above 500. Unless the team gets to 10 games under 500 (at which point a coaching change is useless anyway cause we're not making the playoffs) there's no way Therrien is getting fired. To all of you who think that Savard will fire Therrien in time for a new coach to take over and take us to the playoff, keep dreaming. It'll never happen.
We're gonna get a new coach only when/if we're completley outta the playoff race, not a second before that.
Pretty sad but that's how it's gonna be.
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Post by habwest on Jan 5, 2003 22:32:54 GMT -5
Agreed Raven. And if we do get a new coach I hope the guy gets the job with "TEMPORARY" stamped all over it. We do not need to get another coach who manages to barely haul the team into the playoffs, because the players don't yet hate him, only to find out later that he's another mediocrity. AS needs to pick a good one for next season and the years after, when the team's being transformed.
If we end up with another no system, 40+ shots against are OK, type of guy then I will get annoyed at AS.
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Post by TheHabsfan on Jan 5, 2003 22:40:51 GMT -5
All I have to say to that topic is keep dreaming. There's no way in hell Savard is gonna fire the coach when we're at or above 500. Unless the team gets to 10 games under 500 (at which point a coaching change is useless anyway cause we're not making the playoffs) there's no way Therrien is getting fired. To all of you who think that Savard will fire Therrien in time for a new coach to take over and take us to the playoff, keep dreaming. It'll never happen. We're gonna get a new coach only when/if we're completley outta the playoff race, not a second before that. Pretty sad but that's how it's gonna be. Underneath, we know this is the truth. We know full well that AS won't pull the trigger until the habs are in real bad shape in the standings and out of a playoff spot. Also, Hab West makes a good point in not bringing in a new "temp" guy. But, it makes us all feel better thinking there is a chance in canning "duh" guy behind the bench. We can dream can't we?
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Post by Andrew on Jan 5, 2003 23:07:35 GMT -5
All I have to say to that topic is keep dreaming. There's no way in hell Savard is gonna fire the coach when we're at or above 500. Unless the team gets to 10 games under 500 (at which point a coaching change is useless anyway cause we're not making the playoffs) there's no way Therrien is getting fired. To all of you who think that Savard will fire Therrien in time for a new coach to take over and take us to the playoff, keep dreaming. It'll never happen. We're gonna get a new coach only when/if we're completley outta the playoff race, not a second before that. Pretty sad but that's how it's gonna be. I've got to disagree. Savard is watching the same team that we are every night. While their record isn't necessarily indicitive of poor coaching, the following stats are: - goals against = 28th - PK = 27th - shots on goal / game = 30th - shots against / game = 30th The above stats aren't signs of a team in a slump, they're the result of major deficiencies in the coaching strategy. I don't think Savard will wait for a major slump to fire MT. I think his biggest concern is having a replacement ready.
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Post by UberCranky on Jan 5, 2003 23:44:16 GMT -5
I would not be so sure that Therrien is not going to be fired.
Think of it as a sealed pressure cooker. It build up steam and then you keep watching and wondering when. Then when you least expected.
Sometimes a pressure cooker can also go if it has a hidden crack in it.
Sometimes the pressure builds up pressure faster then you expect.
Sometimes the cooker is stronger then you expect.
The heat is on and it WILL blow.
Trust me on this.................
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Post by PTH on Jan 6, 2003 0:00:00 GMT -5
MT is expendable, but he's expendable to save AS's hide. There's not much criticism now in the media, so no reason to fire MT. I'd think it might be a week or two after we miss the playoffs.
If we make them, then MT is back next year.
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Post by seventeen on Jan 6, 2003 1:10:04 GMT -5
Thanks....I had a nice dinner earlier and now I've got to go eat all over again.
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Post by Lord Stanley on Jan 6, 2003 12:37:41 GMT -5
I wonder if AS would take the interim coach if he would fire MT.
He once was an assistant coach and always wanted to be back behind the bench..
And it would help him understand how weak this team is...and where the changes are needed the most...
we can complain as much as we want on this team stats (shots for, shots against, pp, sh) but we have to admit..the tools aren't great..mind you that MT is not the sharpest tool in the shed either..
Let's welcome Hossa to hell ;D
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Post by habwest on Jan 6, 2003 17:54:58 GMT -5
Now, I think PTH has it. Which is what I'be been saying for the last year or so. (what ! someone agrred with me !) MT is there to buy time....for AS and for the prospects to develop. I just hope that when the time comes to make the change AS is up to pulling it off properly.
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 6, 2003 18:13:44 GMT -5
and I wouldn't be surprised if a certain Jacques in Ottawa is the man AS is waiting to hire...
Ottawa chokes in the playoffs again and it's buh-bye Jacques IMO.
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Post by Raven on Jan 6, 2003 18:23:29 GMT -5
and I wouldn't be surprised if a certain Jacques in Ottawa is the man AS is waiting to hire... Ottawa chokes in the playoffs again and it's buh-bye Jacques IMO. I'm very sorry but if that's the case it's a piss poor decision. All that does is send our current season down the tube for no good reason whatsoever. This certain Jacques down in Ottawa is no better than a certain Hartly down in Colorado, except maybe that Hartly won the cup. If he's willing to sacrifice this season just to wait for a coach, I swear to god, if I ever saw him the street, I'd punch the daylights out of him for killing me slowly. Wasting a season to hire a coach while watching your team slowly dying game after game, getting worse and worse is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Add that to fact that there's 0 guarantee that Martin will actually get fired, he'd be risking tanking our season for NOTHING! We're exactly half way through the season tomorrow. There's still time to turn all this around. For god sakes man, CAN HIM ALREADY!
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 6, 2003 18:30:57 GMT -5
I don't see the Sens firing Martin this year...the only way he gets fired is if they choke in the playoffs again
All I am saying is AS probably has Martin on his ''wishlist''and he will be all over him when Martin is available. That could be next year or 5 years from now
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Post by TheHabsfan on Jan 6, 2003 19:23:14 GMT -5
um-hum...Look at what I just found on RDS: What does this mean? I think it means that MT has very little time left. Gillett wants to go to the playoffs again and isn't willing to let the team slide out of contention before a change is made. Marc's prediction may come true after all!!! Gillett is my hero!!! ;D
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Post by Raven on Jan 6, 2003 19:31:39 GMT -5
Georgie is pretty much our only hope. He doesn't stand for loser and he doesn't seem to be very happy right now. He said he would let the 'hockey guys' take care of the team but you don't have to be a hockey guy to realize that something is terribly wrong with the team. We're in luck cause Savard would never fire Therrien at this point. I hope George puts his nose in this business. I also hope that if/when he does, it'll be the last time for a long time. Don't need to make this a habit.
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 6, 2003 19:33:52 GMT -5
um-hum...Look at what I just found on RDS: What does this mean? I think it means that MT has very little time left. Gillett wants to go to the playoffs again and isn't willing to let the team slide out of contention before a change is made. Marc's prediction may come true after all!!! Gillett is my hero!!! ;D I think GG wants to see some playoff money for 48 million bucks spent more than anything!!! and GG is right...more than enough talent on this team to make the playoffs
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 7, 2003 9:45:24 GMT -5
I still maintain my prediction guys ;D
Habs lose and lose without much conviction...MT is probably gone..
The opportunity, with so many bad teams coming up, to make the new coach look good is a reason why I believe the change could be made...
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jan 8, 2003 16:09:58 GMT -5
MT will be fired after the NJ game. The NJ game is over and he will be fired. The question is when. Almost all coaches who get hired get fired. Which NJ game? NJ vs. whom? What year? Come on George. We're all curious? When will you fire MT and AS? (George; MT stands for Michael Therrien and AS stands for Andre Savard) (They work for you) (They are respectively the coach and the GeneralManager) You're welcome George.
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