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Post by rocky on Jan 7, 2003 10:25:27 GMT -5
Des démarches seraient entreprises entre le canadien de Montréal et les Black Hawks de Chicago . Donald Audette et Boris Mironov seraient au centre d'une transaction de plusieurs joueurs. Le tout pourrait se confirmer d'ici quelques jours.Montréal voudrait Yakubov et Chicago Hainsey. À suivre.
No doubt you guys all read the posts on RDS, I found this little number in the middle of one from last night. Now, I've seen some pretty silly stuff on that site, so should we take this as more nonsense ( Hainsey for Yakubov )? There are also some very serious posters on there, so one never knows what to believe.
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Post by Yeti on Jan 7, 2003 10:37:31 GMT -5
There are no discussion boards in french that are coming close to habsrus in terms of quality, so I rarely read messages on rds despite the fact that french is my first language. When I do, the first thing I look for is the number of mistakes per sentence... it is sometimes really depressing and I know very quickly if I'm reading the post of a teenager. Well, this one is fine but that's not enough to say it should be considered seriously but it's a start. However, it makes sense. AS probably wants to ship Audette asap and Smith clearly said trading Mironov is the most appropriate action for the team. Maybe they want to even things out by trading prospects.
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Post by rocky on Jan 7, 2003 11:04:17 GMT -5
Speaking of posters Yeti, you certainly are one of the most respected hab guys around. I have read many of your efforts on other boards, excellent my friend. Your right, this is a quality site, so it sure is wonderful to have you on board. While on this topic I would like to tip my hat to Marc who never ceases to amaze me with his knowledge and dedication. Great job Marc, I salute you.
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 7, 2003 12:06:54 GMT -5
Thanks Rocky can you post the link of that post please? alot of the stuff on RDS isn't to be taken seriously. Hainsey for Yakubov isn't that good of a deal for us. Yakubov isn't even in the top 50 for HF: www.hockeysfuture.com/2002top50/top50.htm
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Post by rocky on Jan 7, 2003 12:33:15 GMT -5
www.rds.ca/cgi-bin/canadien/webforum-2.0This is their webforum, one needs a password to access. If you can get on its the post by monsieur Rumeur. The Hainsey proposal makes no sense to me unless its a much bigger trade. Even so, I still wouldn't trade Hainsey.
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Post by Gord on Jan 7, 2003 12:35:35 GMT -5
Thanks Rocky can you post the link of that post please? alot of the stuff on RDS isn't to be taken seriously. Hainsey for Yakubov isn't that good of a deal for us. Yakubov isn't even in the top 50 for HF: www.hockeysfuture.com/2002top50/top50.htmSure he is, he's listed at #15. Still sounds unlikely to me, but ya never know.
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Post by rocky on Jan 7, 2003 12:40:26 GMT -5
15. Mikhail Yakubov Team: Chicago Blackhawks Position: Center Born: 02-16-1982 Height: 6'3 Weight: 185 Drafted: 1st Round (10th Overall), 2000 Draft Red Deer Rebels’ Brent Sutter raves about his all-around skills and for good reasons. A very big, strong, smart and rangy center, Yak made great strides in his development last year. About a year away, but it’ll be worth the wait. An injury has hampered a good start for him in Norfolk, but that should not stop him making a solid contribution as a rookie in the AHL. He is the type of player that will come in and take a job in Chicago next season and force Mike Smith to make a trade. One NHL GM simply said, "Magic in these hands." Yep, here he is at #15, hmmmm, not a bad prospect, but Hainsey is still more valuable to us.
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 7, 2003 12:42:15 GMT -5
damn I am blind...sorry guys ;D
Yeah he does sound better than I thought he was...6'3 and only 185...he will fill up
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 7, 2003 12:48:52 GMT -5
More info on Yakubov www.hockeysfuture.com/prospect.php?pid=1298Yakoubov Name: Mikhail Yakoubov Position: C Shoots: Left Height: 6-3 Weight: 185 lbs Birthdate: 1982-02-16 Hometown: Barnaul, Russia Acquired: Chicago’s 1st round pick, 10th overall, in the 2000 NHL Entry Draft History Going into the 2000 entry draft, the Hawks felt he was one of the players that would most likely be taken before pick #10. There were a couple questionable reaches made by teams ahead of the Hawks, so when he was still available, they could not afford to pass him up. There original plan was to make Pavel Vorobiev their “safe” pick and try and trade the other #11 overall pick for more higher picks. They never even interviewed Yakoubov! The unlikely happened, and when he dropped into the Hawk lap,General Manager Mike Smith called time out to call a team and say he was going use both picks for Russian team forwards,no less! Playing on a Russian Junior team that was filled with early picks in the 2000 draft, he had the distinction as first drafted. After a Junior career in Russia that saw him riding pine on an veteran club,he agreed to getting ready for the NHL pro game by tranfering his junior career to Red Deer. The WHL experience was suppose to help him catch up and acclimate him to the differences in the North American game,the culture,and ease the transition into this new place. He has had some successes at the Western league level, being named a player of the week and putting up decent numbers for most of his first season there. Talent Analysis Strengths: Size, raw power, hands, overall puck skills, and vision. This big hard driving horse plays a power game and will take the hit to make the play. He has jump in his rangy stride along with puck skills, and nose for the net. He is a good face off man with a strong work ethic, always defensively responsible and doing the little things that make good three zone players. He is a creative playmaker who works every shift and whose size / skill ratio projects to any forward position. Has all the tools necessary to be offensive power forward. Presently, he looks like a possible major league centre, if he can adapt at the NHL level play when he arrives. He comes with a can’t miss tag as an NHL player. Can’t miss as a third liner?second liner ? or first liner? Time will tell as he fills out and continues his march to the NHL Weaknesses: Could use his shot more often instead of dishing to linemates. Looked great at a couple tournaments and then disappointed at the World Juniors, scoring one goal and five assists. Still inconsistent in all around play and not very physical for a big forward. Better playmaker than scorer who still has to mature physically and gain weight room strength to fill out his huge frame. Future Huge upside as a possible first line centre or a can’t miss NHLer in some forward role. But, as usual, we are projecting from tournament glimpses against other quality from various countries. His move into the Western League of Canada allows some transition to the culture and will help in him acquiring more muscle to his huge skinny frame. So 2001-02 is a break through season of sorts for him as he will get to show the Western league audiences just what the scouts saw in him. Let's hope they are not disappointed. Unfortunately The Western League will afford him the luxury to develop in the next two years. The "horse" needs to figure out whether he is a trotter, thoroughbred, or swayback junk wagon horse. So far even though he is putting up nice numbers in the WHL,his on ice play doesn't project him into a Hawk uniform for 4 or so years doen the road. After graduating, he will need AHL time to develop an edge, and it is very likely he will be brought along very slowly as Mark Bell was. (Granted his over-all skill level when drafted might have exceeded Bell's but we all can count on our fingers the guys we have seen with the gift who never put it all together.)I think one must look past his 1.4 point per game pace in the WHL and see more than the passing and goals. Although he scored regularly(He lead the Red Deer Rebels in post-season scoring and finished second overall with 14 goals and 23 points in 23 games),his team was not able to win the battles necessary to go to the Memorial Cup. He has to get in done all over the ice, and so far there are defecits,albeit not unfixable ones. Expect a tough adjustment to the AHL,and even a bigger one to make the NHL club. There is lots of finesse packed in to a horse size frame, so indeed the upside is there. -------------------- wow...sounds like a potential stud...a power forward at center.. After reading up about this guy, a Hainsey for Yakubov deal sounds intriguing! he could be the big center I keep talking about...... although he is struggling in Norfolk this year: www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php3?pid%5B%5D=51193
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Post by Maritimer on Jan 7, 2003 13:38:08 GMT -5
That could be misleading though Marc. Their are a lot of teams even in the AHL that don't use their rookies properly...he could be playing on the 4th line.
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Post by JohnnyVerdun on Jan 7, 2003 13:54:30 GMT -5
There's no way the Hawks move Yakubov unless a guy like Hainsey comes back the other way. He is a big, talented center prospect. There just aren't enough to go around....
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Post by Patty Roy on Jan 7, 2003 16:33:45 GMT -5
I'm not sure i believe any of this, but an Audette/Hainsey for Mironov/Yakubov deal is pretty interesting. Audette is once again playing on the 2nd line tonight, so maybe he's being showcased? I really like Hainsey and would hate to see him go, but Yakubov is at least his equal as a prospect and the Habs would be dealing from a position of strength to fill a major weakness.
I'd make that trade.
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Post by Doc Holliday on Jan 7, 2003 17:02:15 GMT -5
Not sure I'd do it.
It would be a fair deal and a big physical offensive player is something we don't have and Yakubov would fit the bill but then again, if we were dangling Hainsey out there I wonder if we couldn't catch a bigger fish...
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Post by FormerLurker on Jan 7, 2003 17:03:30 GMT -5
Here's his profile from RussianProspects.com: www.russianprospects.com/profiles/yakubov/profile_yakubov.htmHeight: 6'3 Weight: 208 lb Position: C Shoots: Left Born: 02/16/82 Birthplace: Barnaul, USSR Chicago's first pick (10th overall) in the 2000 Entry Draft Talent Analysis: Mikhail Yakubov has excellent size complemented by an impressive array of skills. Physically, he still has not filled in his large frame, though a season in the juniors has helped to bulk him up. Mikhail has great puck handling skills. He is a maneuverable skater, who moves well through traffic. However, Mikhail is not especially fast. His shot has improved over the past season, but he still needs to work on its precision and crispness. Mikhail is a creative player and does not suffer from tunnel vision, always looking for his line mates and trying to create something. However, while playing in the Super League during the 2000-01 season, he showed signs of immaturity, often not able to understand his more experienced line mates and dispatching passes into empty space. While not leading to great productivity, Mikhail’s attempts to make a pass instead of simply dumping the puck indicates that the young player has a good head on his shoulders. <br> <br>Back In Russia and In The Minors: 2000-01: Lada Togliatti Mikhail Yakubov was widely expected to play in Lada Togliatti’s main lineup during the 2000-01 season, right after being drafted. This however, never materialized, as Mikhail warmed the bench for most of the season, appearing mainly on the fourth line. Towards the end of the season he did get his chances to play on the first line, as Lada Togliatti was in short supply of capable centers. His lack of physical strength clearly showed as he was unable to compete with older veterans, especially in the playoffs. His lack of experience also hurt him as he prone to making erroneous passes. However, the experience was valuable for Mikhail, as he got to play with veteran players at a very high level of hockey. Mikhail also spent a large portion of the season with Lada’s junior farm team, Lada -2, and scored 31 points (12+19) in 26 games. <br>2001-02: Red DeerRebels The lack of ice time Mikhail received in Togliatti was an unacceptable turn of events for Chicago Blackhawks, the NHL team that used it’s first pick to draft Mikhail in the 2000 NHL Entry Draft. The team brought Mikhail over to the 2001 Blackhawks rookie camp where he looked to be somewhat out of shape and took a little while to adjust to the new surroundings. After the rookie camp, Chicago’s management signed Mikhail to a contract and sent him to the junior leagues to adjust and refine his game in the North American surroundings. During the 2001-02 season, Mikhail was one of the most dominant players in the OHL, playing in the OHL All Star game and leading the Red Deer Rebels with 89 (32g 57a) points during the regular season and 23 points (14g 9a) in the playoffs. His inspired performance proved that Chicagomade the right move by removing Mikhail from the deteriorating situation in Togliatti. Mikhail was named to the CHL’s 2002 second All Star team and to the CHL’s 2002 All-rookie team. After the conclusion of the 2001-02 CHL season, Mikhail was moved to Norfolk and played his first games in the AHL. He did not get much ice time or score any points, but this was Mikhail’s first experience in playing in a professional North American league. <br> <br>To Be Continued... (now I know why you guys cut up long posts into several shorter ones!)
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Post by FormerLurker on Jan 7, 2003 17:04:01 GMT -5
International Competition: He was also acknowledged as the best overall player in the 2000 Five Nations tournament in Switzerland, placing second in points with 5 (3+2) in four games. In the U18 2000 World Junior Championships, Mikhail once again delivered a great performance, scoring 6 points (1+5) in six games and earning an impressive +6 rating. Mikhail did not play well at the 2001 U20 World Junior Championships in Moscow. His play forced the Russian coach to relegate him to the team’s third and fourth lines and he received very little ice time towards the end of the tournament. Mikhail was eligible for the 2002 U20 World Junior Championships, but did not participate, remaining in North America. <br>NHL: In the 2000 Entry Draft Mikhail was expected to be selected amongst the first 10 players. However, after Boston, Tampa Bay and Calgary all made unexpected selections, he was still available to Chicago with their 10thpick, who expected to select Pavel Vorobiev with their 10thor 11thpick and trade away the other for multiple picks in later rounds. Blackhawks General Manager Mike Smith could not pass up the opportunity and selected Mikhail Yakubov with his 10thpick and Pavel Vorobiev with the 11th. After the season that followed the 2000 NHL Entry Draft came to a close, Mikhail’s development appeared to be derailed. However, since arriving in North America, Mikhail has returned to form and began to show the ability and talent that made him the 10thoverall pick. He still has not competed against professional players for more then a few games and the next season will be pivotal in Mikhail’s development. After adjusting to the North America, he will now have to adjust to playing against professional athletes. Chicago will likely sent Mikhail to Norfolk of the AHL for the 2002-03 season and he may be called up on some occasions to fill in for an injured NHLer. If the 02-03 season goes as planned, Mikhail will be ready to make an impact in the NHL in 2003.
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 7, 2003 17:22:29 GMT -5
Yakubov was picked I believe 3 spots ahead of Hainsey in the same draft
Since that draft, Yakubov has lived up to expecations while Hainsey has squashed them big time. Remember Hainsey was a player who was supposed to be a 2nd rounder and wasn't regarded as a ''stud''. The forecaster for 2000-01 says he may become a 3rd or 4th d-man in the NHL with good defence and mediocre offence. Things sure have changed.
It would be a good deal, but not the homerun kind of deal Doc is talking about.
I can see why the Hawks would make that trade though...Zhamnov, Arnason, Ruutu...they are set down the middle and on defence they ain't too strong
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Post by FormerLurker on Jan 7, 2003 17:30:14 GMT -5
Not sure I believe it either, but...
I think this trade is a bit of a gamble. Hainsey is in the NHL now, and playing well, while Yakubov is in the AHL, and not doing much. Yakubov COULD pan out to be the big, dominant first line center we need, but it will probably take a while; look how long it took for Olli Jokinen to get his game together.
Hainsey, on the other hand, almost certainly will at least be a number two defenseman, and could possibly be an all star before Yakubov even cracks his team's top six. He strikes me as the kind of player that a few teams will give up on before he finally emerges, and I don't want the Habs to be one of them.
I'd pass on this trade.
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Post by UberCranky on Jan 7, 2003 20:27:08 GMT -5
Yubokov, snubokov....................
I believe NOTHING that I read in print about prospects anymore. NOTHING. Think back to what we heard about Komi and how everyone was going to need a suit of armor to survive this bipedal tank. What happened to thiose wonderful reports?
I would not trade Hainsey for antyone unless they were a proven talent.
Believe one thing. Savard would NEVER, EVER trade Hainsey unless he sees Yubokov in action for himself and for at least three games. Hainsey is far too valuable to make a mistake on.
Ask yourselves this. Hainsey has shown the skill to be the next Brian Leetch what has Yubokov shown? Has anyone whose opinion we trust seen him play? I never even heard of him before this.
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 7, 2003 20:28:23 GMT -5
I have seen him a few times
at the WJC and on a game last year on Sportsnet
He looked real good in the game with Red Deer last year. He was dominating.
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Post by PTH on Jan 7, 2003 23:04:30 GMT -5
Irrespective of all these players' worth (I happen to think Hainsey seems to be a year ahead of Yakubov in development and shouldn't be traded for him), why are we caring about a rumour on RDS ?
The fans on RDS are ignorant teenagers with way too much time to spend on the internet, trying to make themselves seem important on another meaningless internet chat board, by cooking up fantasies that will get people to react.
I have no use for teenagers with enthusiasm and no intelligence or foresight or perception of anything beyond the mundane.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jan 7, 2003 23:14:00 GMT -5
Can't wait to hear Cherry talk about that tough kid from Barnhal who gives an honest effort. Two things come from Barnhal, WH*&es and hockey players!
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Post by seventeen on Jan 8, 2003 2:27:41 GMT -5
Why do I always have to bring reason to this board when we start talking about trading our d-men prospects? Good big, solid centremen are almost as hard to come by as big, good skating well rounded defencemen. Almost as hard. You don't trade a young d-man unless you get something special in return. Shades of Chris Chelios!
BTW, I watched Yakubov last year in a game against the Kamloops Blazers. He was ok, but not dominating. Milroy was more impressive in another game I saw. Would you trade Hainsey for Milroy? Uh...nah.
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