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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 6, 2003 18:20:03 GMT -5
TFP is reporting....
''The Carolina Hurricanes are a group that head coach Paul Maurice and general manager Jim Rutherford felt would perform better than they did last season. Unfortunately, that's not the case. They're currently playing .500 hockey and sit 11th in the Eastern Conference. Various reports suggest the 'Canes may be shopping goalie Arturs Irbe and winger Sami Kapanen. The Boston Bruins, who are still trying to deal holdout defenseman Kyle McLaren, may have interest in Irbe, while the Montreal Canadiens are wouldn't mind having their hands on Kapanen. ''
Unless we dump a smurf to Carolina...I say NO WAY!!!
Koivu and Kapanen together is intriguing though.
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Post by habwest on Jan 6, 2003 18:26:26 GMT -5
What is TFP?
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 6, 2003 18:27:09 GMT -5
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Post by Raven on Jan 6, 2003 18:30:22 GMT -5
give them Audette and agree to pay 1 million of his salary. Hell even 1.5
I'd be the happiest man in the world, hehe. Never happen of course.
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Post by legaspesien on Jan 6, 2003 18:46:54 GMT -5
give them Audette and agree to pay 1 million of his salary. Hell even 1.5 . Kapanen is a 3M dollars smurf ?
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 6, 2003 18:51:02 GMT -5
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Post by TheHabsfan on Jan 6, 2003 19:35:42 GMT -5
Hasn't AS learned his lesson yet? We need bigger players. Kapanen is just more of what we already have. BIG NO from me. We need a defenseman anyway. This should be AS's first move IMO.
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Post by JohnnyVerdun on Jan 6, 2003 19:49:05 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind Sami at all. But there's no way I'd do it without sending smallness and expensivity back their way. Maybe Czerk would be acceptable to them? Doubtful. How about Czerk minus .75 million plus Dykhuis? Karl may find his game, which has only been missing for about 30 games....
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Post by UberCranky on Jan 6, 2003 20:09:17 GMT -5
Hey guys, I thought we are supposed to get bigger, not become the Increadable Shrinking Hockey Team.
All we need is another under producing ice dancer who makes A LOT of money. How long is GG going to put his hand in his pocket before he starts questioning Savard about his management IQ level.
If they take another under producing millionaire fine, otherwise, PASS.
Do we want to see the corporate Profit Inquisition come in and question the Hab's management? Do you know what they do in the real world with managers that throw away hard earned profits?
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Post by GoMtl on Jan 6, 2003 20:27:45 GMT -5
well i think sami would be amizing with zed and saks on the top line, and if we can manage to give them an audette, czerkawski, or petrov along with a dykhuis and a pick or a mid-level prospect for him i'd go for it.
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Post by GoMtl on Jan 6, 2003 20:53:20 GMT -5
i also read a few days back that the canes might be shopping bates battaglia... the 27 yr old 6'2" 205lb winger might be a better fit in montreal, he sure tore us apart last spring
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 6, 2003 20:54:43 GMT -5
how the hell does trading a Petrov or Audette for a Kapanen gets us smaller?
Audette is like 5'6' or 5'7'
Petrov is like 5' 8' or 5'9'
You get younger and a player who could click very well with our captain
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Post by seventeen on Jan 6, 2003 21:05:12 GMT -5
I think the point that is being made, Marc, is that anyone under 6' 1" and 200 lbs (unless your name is Joe Sakic or someone similar) should apply elsewhere. I think we need to get a little bigger too. A couple more guys (especially on defence) who play with some mustard (arrgggg, a Howie Meeker expression if I ever heard one...how did that slip out?) would be very welcome. This just points out the trouble teams are having moving anyone with any kind of salary (fill in "Audette" or "Czerkawski"). The only way such a guy gets traded is if the team is willing to take on someone in a similar salary range. That's why the Audette/Mironov rumour was one that actually made sense. Teams swap overpaid dogs and hope the change of scenery energizer bunnies them for a while.
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Post by KR on Jan 7, 2003 0:55:07 GMT -5
I'm having difficulty imagining what Carolina would want from the Habs for Kapanen. Kapanen's speed, talent and possible chemistry with Saku make him very attractive, but the Canes are not going to give him away. Why would Rutherford have any interest in the player's that Montreal doesn't want....Czerkawski, Audette, Petrov, Dykhuis?? There is no way AS gives up a Hainsey, Komisarek or Hossa (at least if he does he needs his head handed to him on a platter). his just doesn't look like a deal that can be made, but who knows? Stranger things have happened. Dallas traded Audette, coming off a career year, for a pair of stiffs Montreal didn't want:) I haven't read anything about what the Canes real weaknesses are. Can we assume that a lack of scoring from the their top line is one of them? Unless Rutherford figures a change of scenery is enough to get someone like Audette going again, I don't see the Habs having anything they'd want that Montreal can afford to give up.
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 7, 2003 9:15:11 GMT -5
I've heard the Canes want to trade some of their depth for a real star...like a Bataglia+Kapanen for say Anson Carter kind of deal as an example.
They have alot of good forwards...but few dominating ones
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Post by habruti on Jan 7, 2003 10:04:46 GMT -5
I am unsure of what the canes want to do but one thing is clear, we have to dump salary and make room for the younger players of the organization. In that sens I think that dealing for Kapanen might not be such a bad idea. Kapanen will be a UFA at season end and thus Carolina may not want to loose him for nothing.
On the other hand MTL has a 30G scorer that is sitting in Hamilton currently waiting to be recalled since it did not work out in MTL. In Essence there contract are of similar value 3M for kapanen and 2.6 for Czerkawski. The interresting thing about this trade is the fact that Kapanen will be a UFA at season end and thus takes care of Czerkawski's salary for next year. Has is it would not attract Carolina but if we add a player like Dykhuis and/or a pick we might be able to work out something.
So I would try this: To CAR: Marius Czerkawski 25GP 2G 8A 10P +0 at 2.6M for 2 years Karl Dykhuis 37GP 0G 2A 2P -2 at 1.5M for 2 years 3rd rounder
To MTL: Sami Kapanen 29GP 5G 10A 15P -13 at 3M for the remaining of the year May be it is giving a lot to get Kapanen but IMO it is dumping a lot which is exactly what we should be doing this year. We could try yo send Audette instead of Czerkawsi but Iam guessing that Chow may drive more interest then Audette.
This would free up a spot a defense so that Hainsey can stay the remainig of the year with the big club event after the return of Souray.
My line Combos with Sami Kapanen would be has follows: Bulis, Koivu, Kapanen Hossa, Perreault, Zednik Kilger, Juneau, Dackell (Blouin, Ribeiro, Lindsay, Petrov), Gilmour, (Mckay/Audette)
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 7, 2003 12:11:36 GMT -5
Yup you dump Czerk's salary and Dyk's(1.5-2 mllion) for next year and in Dykhuis's case the year after
Carolina may need a d-man......
Hedican is injured
Tanabe is dissapointing
Wesley is a ufa after this year
Hill, Wallin, Ward are alll average
Malec is not ready
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Post by Lord Stanley on Jan 7, 2003 12:49:35 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind getting Tanabe in this trade either..6'1 200 lbs
Would look better than a lot(most) of our Dmen
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Jan 7, 2003 15:29:37 GMT -5
Hmmm, don't we have enough Sami Cap-guns of our own right now?
Audette (who could have been claimed off waivers earlier in the season), Czerkawski (who could have been claimed off waivers recently) and Petrov come to mind. Besides, Carolina didn't nibble at the first two when they could have given up less for them, why would they bite now?
Unless Savard has some sort of fetish for acquiring potential 30 goal scorers (Berezin, Audette, Czerkawski) and zeroing their production, the line should be drawn at picking up Sami Cap-gun.
Sounds like trading apples for apples to me. We need oranges.
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Post by habruti on Jan 7, 2003 16:45:43 GMT -5
Hmmm, don't we have enough Sami Cap-guns of our own right now? Audette (who could have been claimed off waivers earlier in the season), Czerkawski (who could have been claimed off waivers recently) and Petrov come to mind. Besides, Carolina didn't nibble at the first two when they could have given up less for them, why would they bite now? Unless Savard has some sort of fetish for acquiring potential 30 goal scorers (Berezin, Audette, Czerkawski) and zeroing their production, the line should be drawn at picking up Sami Cap-gun. Sounds like trading apples for apples to me. We need oranges. You are neglecting the financial side of the trade.... Sami is costing them 3M without doing anything for the team. On our side we would be switching smurf for smurfs but one that might click better with our team + we save big box next year which is very important..... See what is happening in Ottawa we might be the next one on the list if we do not reduce the payroll anytime soon, especially guys that do not play. Hackett, Czerkawski, Audette is 9M a year which would bring the team under 40M payload (much more acceptable for a team that will barely make the playoff).
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Jan 7, 2003 17:06:46 GMT -5
You are neglecting the financial side of the trade.... Sami is costing them 3M without doing anything for the team. On our side we would be switching smurf for smurfs but one that might click better with our team + we save big box next year which is very important..... See what is happening in Ottawa we might be the next one on the list if we do not reduce the payroll anytime soon, especially guys that do not play. Hackett, Czerkawski, Audette is 9M a year which would bring the team under 40M payload (much more acceptable for a team that will barely make the playoff). I don't think Carolina either has any interest in or can be suckered into trading for Audette or Czerkawski. Whether we want to unload them or not is immaterial to the 'Canes. Besides, as I pointed out, anyone could have had these two under-producers for whatever it would have cost to pluck them off waivers. That no-one did so should be a fair indicator of their desirability throughout the league. Montreal is nowhere near in danger of being in Ottawa's financial situation. The Habs weren't financed on an ever thinning shoestring as the Senators were from day one of their existence. In fact Montreal last year inked an $85million TV deal with RDS and sold arena naming rights to Bell for $120million. Of course that's not to say that "Steppin" Razor" Gillett likes to piss his or his partners' money away. However, wishing to unload certain players, for whatever reason, does not automatically make them desirable commodities. Nobody wants Audette or Czerkawski. Unless we make it worth their while of course.
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Post by MPLABBE on Jan 7, 2003 17:24:16 GMT -5
Plus we don't have the enormous debt the Sens have. At least I hope
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