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Post by JohnnyVerdun on Dec 23, 2002 23:28:09 GMT -5
Unfortunately, this is Kilger's MO. He has a reputation for going great for a little while, making people think he will finally live up to his 4th overall draft position, then he disappears. He did it in Chicago, he did it in Edmonton, and he did it when he first came here. Don't you remember how well he played those first few games after he was acquired? Thought Anaheim drafted him. Anyway, from what I've seen of Kilger over the last 10 games he has not disappeared at all. He's had a couple of nights where he wasn't as effective or busy, but overall there's been nothing but good stuff. The line is way more dependable on the back end with him there, and they've been scoring at a good clip. Enough to wonder if perhaps they wouldn't fare too badly as a trio on the pp. But we haven't seen that at all. Instead we see the oyster night after night, slithering over the boards to rack up minute after minute of utterly unproductive powerplay time. It's enough to make a guy sick. And worse than that, Therrien keeps messing with the chemistry by throwing Audette out there as much or more than Kilger in the second and third periods, as though the line has a better chance of generating a scoring chance with that sack of potatoes on the right side. Kilger has done more than we expected and much, much more than Audette. If I were his coach I'd keep the positive reinfocement tube stuck in his arm and see how much more we can get out of him. The sooner Audette is gone the better.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Dec 23, 2002 23:56:25 GMT -5
Start the petition Gainey and Robinson! HFTO April 11 of this year I started asking for these guys. www.habsrus.com/dat2.htmOh well, what are you going to do? Cheers.
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Post by JohnnyVerdun on Dec 23, 2002 23:57:06 GMT -5
Here is the Donald Audette story. The man has 4 pp assists in over 100 minutes of crucial powerplay time. Time that could be given to Czerkawski (an inventive player) or Kilger (a physical one). There is no excuse for playing a losing hand over and over and over.
What follows are the number of games played, total powerplay minutes, and average powerplay minutes per game played.
Saku Koivu ............ 34 120 3.53 Richard Zednik....... 32 99 3.09 Yanic Perreault....... 34 120 3.53 Douglas Gilmour .... 33 106 3.21 Donald Audette.....26 100 3.85 Oleg Petrov.............30 56 1.87 Randy McKay...........32 61 1.91 Mariusz Czerkawski.24 29 1.21 Chad Kilger..............27 3 0.11
The guy is eating up powerplay time the way I attack smoked salmon at a wedding....It's getting obscene.
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Post by UberCranky on Dec 24, 2002 0:21:19 GMT -5
When a coach or a manager is incompetent, the first thing they do when they get into trouble is try the old solutions.
In Therriens mind, Audette is still a scorer. You guys are forgetting that this is Therriens one and only kick at the coaching bucket. He is painfully aware of this. That's why he always tries the "safe" moves.
Examples of this is Travesty. A safe,. off the glass kind of guy. What always escapes MThead is that they can't score on us if we have them in their own zone. You think that this crosses is mind? Nope. He is only thinking about defense.
Bottom line is simple, Therrien does not have the intelligence to be an NHL coach. He always reacts and plays safe. That's the hallmark moves of a coach or manger who does not know what they are doing.
I am sick and tired writing about Therrien. I really am.
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Post by Lord Stanley on Dec 24, 2002 8:55:04 GMT -5
Everyone is sick and tired of the coach..even the players for heaven's sake... Let me take this time to wish you all a merry x-mas and a happy new year... And don't forget to sign the petition at www.petitiononline.com/gohabs02/petition.htmlWe are up to 56..I thuught more people would want that pedophile looking guy out of there..Ah well
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Post by Doc Holliday on Dec 24, 2002 9:02:38 GMT -5
I don't think Therrien is incompetent, I think he lost the room at some point last year and will never get it back unless half the team gets traded. That's why I think he should go: there is no way he can get back this team to play according to his plan... I agree on Kilger, he hasn't been bad but he hasn't brought the physical edge he's expected to. He needs to constantly crash and bang 'cause his 10-15 goals are not gonna keep him on a top line. The French media is widely overplayed here as is the language thing. I've read, seen and listen to criticisms of french speaking players in the french media and anyone who follows up stories in french in many media on a regular basis will agree that there is absolutely no anti-English united front happening. I don't quite understand what the "french witchhunt" is all about here. I can't wait for Audette to be traded he's became a distraction but then again he plays the role of the scapegoat fine as did Berezin, Rucinsky and Brisebois before him. Once he's away who will the fan fall on? I think it will be Yannic. Our D is such a mess...
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Post by MPLABBE on Dec 24, 2002 9:22:36 GMT -5
Here is the Donald Audette story. The man has 4 pp assists in over 100 minutes of crucial powerplay time. Time that could be given to Czerkawski (an inventive player) or Kilger (a physical one). There is no excuse for playing a losing hand over and over and over. What follows are the number of games played, total powerplay minutes, and average powerplay minutes per game played. Saku Koivu ............ 34 120 3.53 Richard Zednik....... 32 99 3.09 Yanic Perreault....... 34 120 3.53 Douglas Gilmour .... 33 106 3.21 Donald Audette.....26 100 3.85 Oleg Petrov.............30 56 1.87 Randy McKay...........32 61 1.91 Mariusz Czerkawski.24 29 1.21 Chad Kilger..............27 3 0.11 The guy is eating up powerplay time the way I attack smoked salmon at a wedding....It's getting obscene. Amazing, Richard Zednik, our best goal scorer, in MORE games played than Audette has LESS power play time!!!!!!!!! what is wrong with this picture!!!!!!!
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Post by Boston_Habs on Dec 24, 2002 10:21:01 GMT -5
I posted this on the Audette thread, but it applies here too:
I'm starting to think Andre Savard is the Habs' version of Dan Duquette - an extremely bright, and capable executive who understands what you need to be successful, but has absolutely no personality, doesn't appreciate the "soft/people" issues and is very thin-skinned when it comes to criticism.
Is it possible Andre Savard just doesn't want to look bad by trading Audette for a pick and eating his salary? He probably thinks it woul be be completely "irrational" to make that trade, just like it was completely "rational" to trade Asham for Czerkawski.
Savard needs to stop playing the percentages, and start acting a bit on gut instinct. Get rid of Audette at all costs. JV is right, it would be addition by subtraction. Shake things up and FIRE Therrien. There's enough evidence of his total lack of coaching ability that you don't have to wait for a 5-game losing streak for crying out loud.
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Post by jkr on Dec 24, 2002 10:33:22 GMT -5
I posted this on the Audette thread, but it applies here too: Is it possible Andre Savard just doesn't want to look bad by trading Audette for a pick and eating his salary? He probably thinks it woul be be completely "irrational" to make that trade, just like it was completely "rational" to trade Asham for Czerkawski. I don't think this is the reason. He admitted Berezin was a mistake by dealing him for just a pick.
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Post by Boston_Habs on Dec 24, 2002 10:52:23 GMT -5
I don't think this is the reason. He admitted Berezin was a mistake by dealing him for just a pick. Yeah, but with Audette he inherited a 4-year, $8MM contract with 2 more years to go after this one. Berezin was a UFA after last year, so it was far easier and much less painful to dump him.
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Post by rocky on Dec 24, 2002 11:12:59 GMT -5
Traverse's ice time is the most telling proof for me as to what a poor coach MT has become. I mean the guy is at the best only ok, a 7th d-man for sure. Treverse would appear to be a shy type of guy, probably never speaks out, and therefore gets rewarded with tons of ice-time.
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Post by montreal on Dec 24, 2002 14:21:01 GMT -5
Traverse's ice time is the most telling proof for me as to what a poor coach MT has become. I mean the guy is at the best only ok, a 7th d-man for sure. Treverse would appear to be a shy type of guy, probably never speaks out, and therefore gets rewarded with tons of ice-time. This is how I look at it, Traverse has been playing some decent hockey, so it's not like he keeps screwing up all the time, yet Therrien keeps playing him. Also, Dykhuis has not played well, and until Markov's injury, his ice time has been cut. So when you have 3 defensemen and you cut one of them's icetime, then the other two's will go up. Overall, I have to say I am impressed with the improvement Traverse has shown. I have even seen him throw the body around here and there. But you said, he's a 7th defensemen, who's playing a lot better then that, so I give him credit.
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Post by Viper on Dec 24, 2002 14:33:56 GMT -5
I don't think Therrien is incompetent, I think he lost the room at some point last year and will never get it back unless half the team gets traded. That's why I think he should go: there is no way he can get back this team to play according to his plan... I agree on Kilger, he hasn't been bad but he hasn't brought the physical edge he's expected to. He needs to constantly crash and bang 'cause his 10-15 goals are not gonna keep him on a top line. The French media is widely overplayed here as is the language thing. I've read, seen and listen to criticisms of french speaking players in the french media and anyone who follows up stories in french in many media on a regular basis will agree that there is absolutely no anti-English united front happening. I don't quite understand what the "french witchhunt" is all about here. I can't wait for Audette to be traded he's became a distraction but then again he plays the role of the scapegoat fine as did Berezin, Rucinsky and Brisebois before him. Once he's away who will the fan fall on? I think it will be Yannic. Our D is such a mess... Doc Can you enlighten me a little regarding the team playing according to MT's plan before he "lost the room " IMO he lost nothing last year this team hasn't played for him since before last year. Carboneau's departure is becoming more and more obvious to me the real problem. I think he was the glue guy behind the bench the team respected not MT. The return to form of Theodore while great to see is gonna delay the pain of this MThead on our bench ......................... How long will this board wait for the firing. Santa Claus if you can hear me i only want one thing this year ...........................
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Post by MPLABBE on Dec 24, 2002 14:35:19 GMT -5
Problem with Traverse is...
He is a 7th D who needs to be a regular to be effective.
He can't play one game out of two or one game out of three. He needs to play every game because if he doesn't his confidence goes down the toilet.
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Post by Viper on Dec 24, 2002 14:38:47 GMT -5
Problem with Traverse is... He is a 7th D who needs to be a regular to be effective. He can't play one game out of two or one game out of three. He needs to play every game because if he doesn't his confidence goes down the toilet. can we flush the guy then
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Post by MPLABBE on Dec 24, 2002 14:44:03 GMT -5
can we flush the guy then I'd Flush Dykhuis instead
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Dec 24, 2002 15:59:32 GMT -5
Here is the Donald Audette story. The man has 4 pp assists in over 100 minutes of crucial powerplay time. Time that could be given to Czerkawski (an inventive player) or Kilger (a physical one). There is no excuse for playing a losing hand over and over and over. What follows are the number of games played, total powerplay minutes, and average powerplay minutes per game played. Saku Koivu ............ 34 120 3.53 Richard Zednik....... 32 99 3.09 Yanic Perreault....... 34 120 3.53 Douglas Gilmour .... 33 106 3.21 Donald Audette.....26 100 3.85 Oleg Petrov.............30 56 1.87 Randy McKay...........32 61 1.91 Mariusz Czerkawski.24 29 1.21 Chad Kilger..............27 3 0.11 The guy is eating up powerplay time the way I attack smoked salmon at a wedding....It's getting obscene. The difference in the percentages between Zednik and Audette negligable, but the fact Audette is on the PP more often than Zednik is not on at all. Can you imagine what the Koivu/Zednik combo would be doing right now if Zednik were on the ice for every powerplay? We were talking about this in another string, but it has to boil down to coaching. What does this do to team, let alone Zednik, if everyone knows one-half of the best PP combo is sitting on the bench? It works on everyone because they end up losing confidence in the guy calling the shots. And as a result everyone's performance is affected, or at least, those who give a hoot. Be darned if I can figure out he reasoning. Cheers.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Dec 24, 2002 16:05:30 GMT -5
I don't think Therrien is incompetent, I think he lost the room at some point last year and will never get it back unless half the team gets traded. That's why I think he should go: there is no way he can get back this team to play according to his plan... I don't think he's incompetent either, just in over his head. They're as much responsible for Theodore winning the Vezina and Hart trophies as he is. Cheers.
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Post by habwest on Dec 24, 2002 17:08:01 GMT -5
I agree Marc, it will take a prolonged losing streak and 4 to 5 games under .500 before AS axes MT. He needs to find a credible replacement who's willing to take the job and he needs to have enough rope to hang MT with.
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Post by MPLABBE on Dec 24, 2002 19:23:14 GMT -5
The difference in the percentages between Zednik and Audette negligable, but the fact Audette is on the PP more often than Zednik is not on at all. Can you imagine what the Koivu/Zednik combo would be doing right now if Zednik were on the ice for every powerplay? . Not only that Dis...Zednik has played SIX more games than Audette! and he has less power play time...it's mind boggling Although, I believe Zednik's lack of PP time comes mostly from his start of the season when the first unit was Pereault-Koivu-Audette and Zed was on the 2nd unit
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Dec 24, 2002 20:32:59 GMT -5
I think Kilger scored 5 goals in his last seven games ?? Why the heck did MT replaced him with Audette? Certainly not because we are showcasing Audette. Donald is the only habs player right now whose value goes up while sitting in the press box. My thoughts exactly. The problem that AS faces is that he's waited much too long. He stuck with MT, extended his contract and intertwined his own success with MT. Now they both have to go. They have become siamese twins joined at the ass. He can't fire MT saying he is improving the team without admiting that he's made a monumental mistake. As for the best sportswriter, my pick is Ted Blackman. Great in print and a bust on the air. Gainey for GM Robinson and King for coach. I'd keep AS in the organization for scouting and overall hockey savey. I'd send MT as far away as possible. Therrien, Houle, and Mario Tremblay can sell beer for Molson's in St. Louis he Ha Ha.
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