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Post by MPLABBE on Dec 10, 2002 18:01:52 GMT -5
Where do I sign? ;D I'd take one of Lundmark/Kloucek/Tjutin let alone two to get rid of the mediocrety on RW and on D waiting for PTH's are you crazy no NHL GM would make that trade reply
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Post by GoMtl on Dec 10, 2002 18:06:43 GMT -5
yeah i'll probably get a lot of crap, but looking from the rangers perspective they're getting a 30 goal scorer, a #1 veteran goalie, and (until this season) a reliable, fast defenseman. along with a pick, or a big young versatile forward. the first two could be the exact pieces they need right now to do very well this season. it doesn't seem that unfair.
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Post by MPLABBE on Dec 10, 2002 18:08:01 GMT -5
Rags will have to do something. Blackburn can't play every game and Richter is out for a long time.
Now with no Bure they won't score alot.
75 million$ doesn't buy you what it once did......
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Post by Ranger Ranchod on Dec 10, 2002 23:04:07 GMT -5
looking from the rangers perspective they're getting a 30 goal scorer, a #1 veteran goalie, and (until this season) a reliable, fast defenseman. along with a pick, or a big young versatile forward. the first two could be the exact pieces they need right now to do very well this season. it doesn't seem that unfair. If this package is so great then why does it need to be seen "from our perspective"? Why are you so willing to dump these guys? Why can't they be the exact pieces you need to do very well? I like how you're giving us a "useless d-man" at 5.58, but than at 6.06 he's a "(until this season) a reliable, fast defenseman." 2 of our top 4 prospects for your junk... you're right, it's not that unfair at all... for me to poop on! ;D
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Post by Ranger Ranchod on Dec 10, 2002 23:06:13 GMT -5
Let's at least be fair Marc... 69.2 mil doesn't buy you what is used.
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Post by GoMtl on Dec 10, 2002 23:53:01 GMT -5
hackett should really be enough to get us a top notch prospect alone. he again played terrific tonight. audette might be our crap but he could be gold for you like he was in atlanta, on a line with someone with lindros' size i think he might just turn it around. add in a defenseman who last year was the leading +/- man on the team and a force like kilger and i think you get your worth for another prospect who might not even become a full time nhl'er. it's a gamble for both teams, but it could really help both teams. hackett and audette could be used to their potential in new york, while in montreal they can't be. so don't think it's that bad of a trade for you rangers.
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Post by PTH on Dec 11, 2002 0:05:28 GMT -5
waiting for PTH's are you crazy no NHL GM would make that trade reply Marc..... reply for yourself if you have to, but please stop these snide remarks. I think Ranger Ranchod's reply pretty much sums it up. Hackett is playing too well for us to dump him unless it's for a top prospect - but I doubt anyone will give us one for a UFA to be goalie who's a playoff flop to date. The others would all probably clear waivers.... other than Kilger, who's the only useful asset we'd be giving up long-term.
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Post by habwest on Dec 11, 2002 0:57:53 GMT -5
I agree PTH that RR has a point. In fact Czerkawski already has cleared waivers and there were no takers for Audette in response to Savard's memo. I think Audette's pretty well untradeable as most clubs likely see him as damaged goods that will never recover.
And you're right about the goaltending. You can kiss off any hope of the playoffs if Hackett is traded.
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Post by GoMtl on Dec 11, 2002 1:10:57 GMT -5
damnit, i wanted to delete the whole thread but it wouldnt let me, so here's what the proposal was: hackett audette or chow (some of salary paid) dyhkuis kilgerfor tyutin or lundmark kloucekbut i guess i'm favouring the habs too much, so scratch the idea
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Post by MPLABBE on Dec 11, 2002 8:38:18 GMT -5
Oh my this is the 2nd time in a week this happens.
Yes guys you can't eliminate thread that has alreay been replied to!
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Post by KR on Dec 11, 2002 23:15:12 GMT -5
I really don't see how this proposal heavily favours the Habs. In fact, I'd be inclined to leave out Kilger altogether. The Rangers have never worried about tomorrow before, why should they start now? They would, in fact, be bolstering their everyday lineup. Lundmark and co. are not having any sort of real impact for them now. All they care about is getting into the playoffs for the first time in 5 years. Getting a #1 goalie, a veteran, proven scorer and a veteran defenceman for what amounts to a young d-man and two prospects is not that bad a deal for them.
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Post by PTH on Dec 12, 2002 0:11:06 GMT -5
I really don't see how this proposal heavily favours the Habs. In fact, I'd be inclined to leave out Kilger altogether. The Rangers have never worried about tomorrow before, why should they start now? They would, in fact, be bolstering their everyday lineup. Lundmark and co. are not having any sort of real impact for them now. All they care about is getting into the playoffs for the first time in 5 years. Getting a #1 goalie, a veteran, proven scorer and a veteran defenceman for what amounts to a young d-man and two prospects is not that bad a deal for them. That veteran proven scorer cleared waivers, that defenseman would probably clear waivers, and their contracts together are a commitment to over 10 million bucks. Getting rid of the two of them will be a major accomplishment. Kilger is a useful kid but with not all that much value given he's never played a big role for a consistent period of time. Hackett is far more useful to us than to anyone else, essentially if he's dealt, it has to be because the Rangers want the playoffs more than we do, and are willing to give us something we want more than the playoffs. I think getting rid of so much salary would be a huge boost to the team, but getting a couple of solid kids for Hack is a long-term move, not the kind that AS seems inclined to make. I think this deal doesn't work, but I can't say why. Might work if we don't send them a winger, Dykhuis is decent enough, Kilger and HAck have value..... In any case, I think a Habs GM would have to be pretty much suicidal to trade Hack at this point. Once Theo starts getting back into shape though.....
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