|
Post by MPLABBE on Dec 9, 2002 18:38:00 GMT -5
I know this belongs on the prospects board but I saw this at RDS.ca www.rds.ca/canadien/chroniques/HOCKEYLNHCAN3DF51244.htmlMike Komisarek est comparé à Scott Stevens Lundi 9 décembre 2002 - (RDS) - Le club-école du Canadien, les Bulldogs de Hamilton, ont connu un week-end parfait avec 3 victoires face à Cleveland. Les Dogs ont marqué 20 buts et en ont accordé que 3 aux Barons. Le défenseur Mike Komisarek a continué à impressionner lui que certains coéquipiers comparent déjà à Scott Stevens, des Devils. Mike Komisarek est un défenseur format géant de 6 pieds 4 et 240 livres qui a tout pour jouer dans la LNH. Bon coup de patin, aime donner des mises en échec et qui a une vision du jeu exceptionnelle. Bref, il impressionne par la qualité de son jeu et ce même s'il en est à sa première année dans la Ligue américaine lui qui est heureux de jouer pour la meilleure formation de ce circuit... "Sur le jeu de puissance, il trouve toujours ses coéquipiers. Il épate par sa vision du jeu et son sens du hockey", explique l'instructeur-chef des Bulldogs, Claude Julien. S'il y a un élément qui touche beaucoup les joueurs qui quittent l'université américaine pour les circuits professionnels, c'est la fatigue. Komisarek était habitué de jouer 40 matchs par saison. Il reconnaît que les fins de semaine sont longues quand l'équipe joue trois matchs en autant de jours... "C'est une transition difficile pour la première année. Il va trouver tout ses moyens très bientôt. Ses décisions sont bonnes, mais un peu lentes. Peut-être à cause de la fatigue mentale", de continuer Julien. Le plus beau compliment qu'a reçu Komisarek au cours des derniers jours vient d'Éric Fichaud qui en a vu d'autres. Il soutient, selon lui, que Komisarek ressemble beaucoup à Scott Stevens, le capitaine des Devils du New Jersey. "C'est un peu le même genre. C'est un gros joueur solide sur ses patins et il prend de bonnes décisions. Il fait peu d'erreurs et avec son physique, il pourra jouer longtemps dans la ligue nationale. Il sera un bon défenseur", d'expliquer Fichaud. Il serait surprenant de voir Komisarek évoluer avec le Canadien cette saison, à moins qu'il y ait beaucoup de blessés. Les dirigeants veulent surtout qu'il s'habitue à l'horaire exigeant et la saison prochaine, il aura une vraie chance. ------------------------------------------------- HA got any comments? I wonder if Julien and Fichaud are doing PR more than anything? you know like.. ''Hello...Claude...this is RDS.. ''hello'' ''talk to us 'bout Komisarek'' Obviously Julien won't say anything bad because he would get a call from AS hours later asking him what the hell he is doing Cuz everything you read from the media says the kid is progressing and impressing the heck out of the coach and others following the Dogs.
|
|
|
Post by montreal on Dec 9, 2002 19:28:43 GMT -5
Well I still don't get the Stevens comparison, as I have yet to see the big hits. Yes he does throw the body at times, but I don't see much of a mean streak, or many of the big hits, or crease clearing which I heard so much about when he was drafted. But I must say his offence ability was really underated at draft time or he's really improved since then. His shots from the point are low and hard and hit the net, which is exactly what you want from the blueline. My hopes are that he turns out more like Rob Blake, but Stevens would be great too.
I would be surprised if he starts next season in Hamilton though, maybe a callup if he plays real good.
|
|
|
Post by MPLABBE on Dec 9, 2002 19:30:22 GMT -5
Yeah same here. I see him more of a Blake clone.
Although Stevens in his day was a great offensive d-man...just not anymore(we must keep that in mind)
|
|
|
Post by UberCranky on Dec 9, 2002 19:45:39 GMT -5
Well I still don't get the Stevens comparison, as I have yet to see the big hits. Yes he does throw the body at times, but I don't see much of a mean streak, or many of the big hits, or crease clearing which I heard so much about when he was drafted. But I must say his offence ability was really underated at draft time or he's really improved since then. His shots from the point are low and hard and hit the net, which is exactly what you want from the blueline. My hopes are that he turns out more like Rob Blake, but Stevens would be great too. I would be surprised if he starts next season in Hamilton though, maybe a callup if he plays real good. His offence comes from a wicked and sneaky wrist shot from the point. He fakes as if to pass, gets the defender to move toward the intended receiver and then lets it fly. Terrific weapon that is transferable to the NHL. I seriously doubt we will see him next year. If the intend is to bring him up as a filler then I think the Hab’s will hurt him. If the intend is to keep teaching him at ever higher levels then it may work. But the problem will be actuall playing time. 5 minutes a game will nat help him. I really do not like the way he is handled right now. Semenov is the go to guy for Hamilton and Mike is not getting the prime minutes that he needs. In fact, last game I saw him, he was double-shifted on the PP. This time he came out as the second unit. Not good. What the hell is Julien doing by putting a forward on the power play? Is his job to win worthless AHL games or to develop future NHLers? The sharing of the team is not helping the Hab’s prospects as much as it should. To much “sharing” with the Oiler’s prospects. I will be at another game in a couple of weeks and see what happens in that game.
|
|
|
Post by UberCranky on Dec 9, 2002 19:56:32 GMT -5
I couldn't give a rats *ss what Julien or any reporter wrote. This board knows how much of a Komisaurus fan I am, BUT, what I see is what I write. I have no agenda too "sell and hype" Komi. I write this reports for the HabsRus community and an occasional half bottle of warm beer. Period. Of course, if the Hab's like to send any bribes so I can spout flowery b*llsh*t, then I am all for it. I wonder if they have the deposit number for my secret Swiss bank account?
|
|
|
Post by BadCompany on Dec 9, 2002 20:18:16 GMT -5
His offence comes from a wicked and sneaky wrist shot from the point. He fakes as if to pass, gets the defender to move toward the intended receiver and then lets it fly. Terrific weapon that is transferable to the NHL. I seriously doubt we will see him next year. If the intend is to bring him up as a filler then I think the Hab’s will hurt him. If the intend is to keep teaching him at ever higher levels then it may work. I really do not like the way he is handled right now. Semenov is the go to guy for Hamilton and Mike is not getting the prime minutes that he needs. In fact, last game I saw him, he was double-shifted on the PP. This time he came out as the second unit. Not good. What the hell is Julien doing by putting a forward on the power play? Is his job to win worthless AHL games or to develop future NHLers? The sharing of the team is not helping the Hab’s prospects as much as it should. To much “sharing” with the Oiler’s prospects. I will be at another game in a couple of weeks and see what happens in that game. One thing about Komisarek, is that he has never been the man in his brief hockey career. His first year of eligibility for the draft, he was less than spectacular, and indeed, opted out of it, to avoid being a 5th round pick. His second year, he was much better, and highly touted, but still not considered anything more than a physical, defensive specialist. His third year, he exploded offensively, but not only was he NOT the best player in the NCAA, he wasn't even the best defenseman, or, for that matter, the best player on his team! As you noticed, this year he isn't the go-to guy in Hamilton either, especially if Hainsey rejoins the team. In fact, consider Hainsey, who while he was in college, played for a poor team, and was by far the best player on it. He was their go-to guy, their leader and inspiration, and when he went to Quebec, he brought that swagger, poise and confidence with him. Result? He ended up being Quebec's best defenseman too... With the situation in Hamilton re; the Oilers, with Komisarek's lack of confidence in himself, with his failure to dominate, totally, even the NCAA, I still think he should have been left there for one more year. This year, he would have been the stud in Michigan, and while he would have been playing only 40 games, he would have been playing 35-40 minutes per game, in ALL situations, and would be recognized as the go-to guy, the team leader, and its captain. He would dominate. If that wouldn't have built up his confidence, then nothing would. He has all the skills, all he needs is the smarts, and the head. Much easier to learn things, when you aren't so worried about screwing up all the time. Course, we have been down that road before, and its too late now anyways. Having said that, I think you are wrong when you say we won't be seeing Komisarek next year. I stand by what I said earlier, in the summer in fact; Komisarek will disappoint in camp, especially at the beginning, but will get progressively better towards the end. He will start slowly in the AHL, but by the end of the year, he will be Hamilton's best defenseman. I stand by that. He will, to continue with my prognosticating, start next year in Hamilton (despite having a stellar training camp), but will recieve a call up sometime in the fall, early winter, probably before Christmas, when one of Rivet or Quintal gets hurt, and that will be the end of his AHL career. By the end of 2003-2004, he will be our regular 6th defenseman. So there.
|
|
|
Post by KILLger on Dec 9, 2002 20:28:57 GMT -5
One thing about Komisarek, is that he has never been the man in his brief hockey career. His first year of eligibility for the draft, he was less than spectacular, and indeed, opted out of it, to avoid being a 5th round pick. His second year, he was much better, and highly touted, but still not considered anything more than a physical, defensive specialist. His third year, he exploded offensively, but not only was he NOT the best player in the NCAA, he wasn't even the best defenseman, or, for that matter, the best player on his team! As you noticed, this year he isn't the go-to guy in Hamilton either, especially if Hainsey rejoins the team. In fact, consider Hainsey, who while he was in college, played for a poor team, and was by far the best player on it. He was their go-to guy, their leader and inspiration, and when he went to Quebec, he brought that swagger, poise and confidence with him. Result? He ended up being Quebec's best defenseman too... With the situation in Hamilton re; the Oilers, with Komisarek's lack of confidence in himself, with his failure to dominate, totally, even the NCAA, I still think he should have been left there for one more year. This year, he would have been the stud in Michigan, and while he would have been playing only 40 games, he would have been playing 35-40 minutes per game, in ALL situations, and would be recognized as the go-to guy, the team leader, and its captain. He would dominate. If that wouldn't have built up his confidence, then nothing would. He has all the skills, all he needs is the smarts, and the head. Much easier to learn things, when you aren't so worried about screwing up all the time. Following that logic, Matt Shasby should become a good one... www.hockeysfuture.com/prospect.php?pid=1441
|
|
|
Post by BadCompany on Dec 9, 2002 20:36:25 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by UberCranky on Dec 9, 2002 20:46:53 GMT -5
Having said that, I think you are wrong when you say we won't be seeing Komisarek next year. I stand by what I said earlier, in the summer in fact; Komisarek will disappoint in camp, especially at the beginning, but will get progressively better towards the end. He will start slowly in the AHL, but by the end of the year, he will be Hamilton's best defenseman. I stand by that. He will, to continue with my prognosticating, start next year in Hamilton (despite having a stellar training camp), but will recieve a call up sometime in the fall, early winter, probably before Christmas, when one of Rivet or Quintal gets hurt, and that will be the end of his AHL career. By the end of 2003-2004, he will be our regular 6th defenseman. So there. There? THERE? Is that one of your "usualls"? Like Trav.......never mind. What you failed to mention was why you make this “earth shattering, axis tilting” prediction. You are assuming, correctly, that Dykhius, Travese and Quintal will continue their spiral to oblivion, plus there is a question mark on Souray. That gives the Hab’s very few choices on defence. Further, they will not give away major assets to cover the 5th/6th defensive position. BUT, and this is a bigger but then my butt, Komi will not learn to make “defensive reads” and get this little thing called “vision” in one year. You know that and I know that. That takes time. Have you ever considered a career in three card Monty?
|
|
|
Post by MPLABBE on Dec 9, 2002 21:05:18 GMT -5
So basically the Habs are idiots for picking Komisarek instead of guys like Tuomo Ruutu, Blackburn, Hemsky, Kobasew and company ? and they are idiots for convincing their best prospect to play in the toughest league in the world that is not named ''NHL'' at the age of 20? like most prospects do?
|
|
|
Post by KILLger on Dec 9, 2002 21:08:41 GMT -5
So basically the Habs are idiots for picking Komisarek instead of guys like Tuomo Ruutu, Blackburn, Hemsky, Kobasew and company ? and they are idiots for convincing their best prospect to play in the toughest league in the world that is not named ''NHL''? Personally, I prefer Komo to any of those... (Ruutu's close second) Komisarek is misused though, if he's no the go-to guy. Semenov doesn't really have the offensive game to be the one... can't understand that one.
|
|
|
Post by JFM on Dec 9, 2002 21:12:04 GMT -5
I also take that "article" with a grain of salt. Sure during his draft year he was scouted as a quick skating tank with limited offensive skill upside. Seeing his performance during the rookie and Hab camps, I was disappointed with what I saw, overall. I didn't see the mobility and physicality that he was reputed for. Rather, I noticed a better developped offencive game than expected. If he continues to develop along this path, I think a better comparison in terms of an NHL style...... Kevin Hatcher. There is still time for him to develop the nastiness that we all here are hoping to see.
|
|
|
Post by MPLABBE on Dec 9, 2002 21:14:09 GMT -5
Well, I don't know what HA is talking about because since the start of the year Semenov was sucking and Komisarek/Hainsey in the games I have seen and heard have been the top pairing guys(one on each of the top 2 pairs). Plus Komisarek has never played such a tough demanding schedule so maybe they are reducing his ice time a little so he can recharge his batteries.
Montreal can help me out here but the guys on radio kept saying ''Semenov is lacking confidence...he needs to score, he needs to play well'' recently he has scored and must be playing well if they are increasing his ice time. Plus Semenov is a 2nd year AHLer and a good prospect as well.
Me thinks HA is victim of ''overating a player and now trying to save face''...you should have seen him during the summer with the T-Rex pictures eating Leaves, asking AS when he will sign Komisarek and already drooling at the thought of having him don the CH
|
|
|
Post by UberCranky on Dec 9, 2002 21:15:21 GMT -5
Komisarek is misused though, if he's no the go-to guy. Semenov doesn't really have the offensive game to be the one... can't understand that one. Oilers have as much input on who should play as the Hab's. Given that, you have to play Semenov. Besides that, right now, Semenov is a better defenseman. What irked me is why Julian had a forward on the powerpaly when you are shooting the opponents lights out. Anyone out there thinks that Julien is NHL coaching material? Think again.
|
|
|
Post by MPLABBE on Dec 9, 2002 21:17:48 GMT -5
who was the forward?
Keep in mind Hainsey isn't there
|
|
|
Post by UberCranky on Dec 9, 2002 21:19:24 GMT -5
Me thinks HA is victim of ''overating a player and now trying to save face''...you should have seen him during the summer with the T-Rex pictures eating Leaves, asking AS when he will sign Komisarek and already drooling at the thought of having him don the CH What? WHAT? Whatever..............
|
|
|
Post by UberCranky on Dec 9, 2002 21:20:21 GMT -5
who was the forward? Keep in mind Hainsey isn't there Jarret Stoll.
|
|
|
Post by MPLABBE on Dec 9, 2002 21:30:28 GMT -5
so why are you freaking out? The guy is a solid if not very good prospect It's not like they put some 4th liner out there.
|
|
|
Post by UberCranky on Dec 9, 2002 22:06:51 GMT -5
so why are you freaking out? The guy is a solid if not very good prospect It's not like they put some 4th liner out there. *sigh* I am not "freaking" out. The issue and the context of the conversation was the development of Komi. Julian placed Stoll on the second line pairing and cut Komi's time. ''overating a player and now trying to save face'', "so why are you freaking out?" You are not offering your own opinion, but rather, you are critiquing MY opinion. Tread carefully.
|
|
|
Post by MPLABBE on Dec 9, 2002 22:13:38 GMT -5
one question: what was the score when Stoll was on the point? Maybe Julien was just trying some stuff in a blowout?
|
|
|
Post by Maritimer on Dec 9, 2002 22:40:12 GMT -5
Bush league....
Up by 4 goals or more? Roll the D...all 3 pairs pp or sh.
|
|
|
Post by habwest on Dec 10, 2002 0:45:22 GMT -5
Yea, I recollect reading a report quoting somebody in the Habs organization to the effect that Komi was getting a tad tired because he wasn't used to the number of games. So that was being taken into account. Let's not forget that Hainsey missed some of his first year with an injury so the transition to a full pro schedule might not have affected him as much.
|
|
|
Post by montreal on Dec 10, 2002 1:29:31 GMT -5
One thing about Komisarek, is that he has never been the man in his brief hockey career. His first year of eligibility for the draft, he was less than spectacular, and indeed, opted out of it, to avoid being a 5th round pick. His second year, he was much better, and highly touted, but still not considered anything more than a physical, defensive specialist. His third year, he exploded offensively, but not only was he NOT the best player in the NCAA, he wasn't even the best defenseman, or, for that matter, the best player on his team! As you noticed, this year he isn't the go-to guy in Hamilton either, especially if Hainsey rejoins the team. In fact, consider Hainsey, who while he was in college, played for a poor team, and was by far the best player on it. He was their go-to guy, their leader and inspiration, and when he went to Quebec, he brought that swagger, poise and confidence with him. Result? He ended up being Quebec's best defenseman too... With the situation in Hamilton re; the Oilers, with Komisarek's lack of confidence in himself, with his failure to dominate, totally, even the NCAA, I still think he should have been left there for one more year. This year, he would have been the stud in Michigan, and while he would have been playing only 40 games, he would have been playing 35-40 minutes per game, in ALL situations, and would be recognized as the go-to guy, the team leader, and its captain. He would dominate. If that wouldn't have built up his confidence, then nothing would. He has all the skills, all he needs is the smarts, and the head. Much easier to learn things, when you aren't so worried about screwing up all the time. Course, we have been down that road before, and its too late now anyways. Having said that, I think you are wrong when you say we won't be seeing Komisarek next year. I stand by what I said earlier, in the summer in fact; Komisarek will disappoint in camp, especially at the beginning, but will get progressively better towards the end. He will start slowly in the AHL, but by the end of the year, he will be Hamilton's best defenseman. I stand by that. He will, to continue with my prognosticating, start next year in Hamilton (despite having a stellar training camp), but will recieve a call up sometime in the fall, early winter, probably before Christmas, when one of Rivet or Quintal gets hurt, and that will be the end of his AHL career. By the end of 2003-2004, he will be our regular 6th defenseman. So there. You lost me somewhere in there, as I haven't done a full out research on Komisarek yet (just finished the CHL/NCAA report, so AHL is next) but from the 2 games I saw Komi play at UM, he seemed like he was the goto guy for sure. He was a +23 or so and had 111 shots which was one near the of the team. In the championship game, he got a lot of ice time, and seemed to be their best defensemen by far. Its tough to say how he will continue to develop, if he's up here next year or the year after, whatever is best for him, is all I am concerned with.
|
|
|
Post by montreal on Dec 10, 2002 1:39:11 GMT -5
*sigh* I am not "freaking" out. The issue and the context of the conversation was the development of Komi. Julian placed Stoll on the second line pairing and cut Komi's time. ''overating a player and now trying to save face'', "so why are you freaking out?" You are not offering your own opinion, but rather, you are critiquing MY opinion. Tread carefully. I understand what you are saying, as I listened to the game, and was surprised that he had a forward on point. I think Julien was trying to get Stoll going, as he hasnt been scoring as much. He did put out Carpentier out on the PP a few times, so it showed he wasn't trying to run up the score, but if you ask me, Julien isn't stupid, he knows that Hamilton and the Roadrunners ? will need a coach next year, and I'm sure he would like to have a job, so he's doing all he can to win now, not neccesseraly doing what is best for each prospect. It's well known that coaches that win calder cups, have a much better chance at getting that high paid job in the NHL with that on their resume' . But I have listened to most games on the radio, and like Marc said, Komi does play on the 1st PP unit most of the time (with Hainsey) and he has been playing well, so I don't know why they would have him on the 3rd pairing, unless to give him less ice time, so he adapts to AHL life. He's coming from the NCAA, where this time of year, they go on their season break about now for 2 or weeks, plus they play 35-40 in a entire season, where he has played 25 or so games already in a much shorter time frame. Also it was the 3rd game in 3 nights, so he may have been tired, plus I think Julien is trying to get Semonov going, as he hasn't played very good until recently, according to the annoucers.
|
|
|
Post by UberCranky on Dec 10, 2002 9:43:49 GMT -5
You lost me somewhere in there, as I haven't done a full out research on Komisarek yet (just finished the CHL/NCAA report, so AHL is next) but from the 2 games I saw Komi play at UM, he seemed like he was the goto guy for sure. He was a +23 or so and had 111 shots which was one near the of the team. In the championship game, he got a lot of ice time, and seemed to be their best defensemen by far. Its tough to say how he will continue to develop, if he's up here next year or the year after, whatever is best for him, is all I am concerned with. Montreal, this goes back to a running argument that BC and I had. I am a huge Komi fan and I was in the "AHL as soon as possible" camp. BC wanted him to "stay in Collage for another year" camp. This is BC's way of saying "I told you so" but he does not have all the ammunition so he is trying to come from the side with it. *sigh* Young ones, you can't beat them anymore.............
|
|
|
Post by UberCranky on Dec 10, 2002 9:48:11 GMT -5
I understand what you are saying, as I listened to the game, and was surprised that he had a forward on point. I think Julien was trying to get Stoll going, as he hasnt been scoring as much. He did put out Carpentier out on the PP a few times, so it showed he wasn't trying to run up the score, but if you ask me, Julien isn't stupid, he knows that Hamilton and the Roadrunners ? will need a coach next year, and I'm sure he would like to have a job, so he's doing all he can to win now, not neccesseraly doing what is best for each prospect. It's well known that coaches that win calder cups, have a much better chance at getting that high paid job in the NHL with that on their resume' . But I have listened to most games on the radio, and like Marc said, Komi does play on the 1st PP unit most of the time (with Hainsey) and he has been playing well, so I don't know why they would have him on the 3rd pairing, unless to give him less ice time, so he adapts to AHL life. He's coming from the NCAA, where this time of year, they go on their season break about now for 2 or weeks, plus they play 35-40 in a entire season, where he has played 25 or so games already in a much shorter time frame. Also it was the 3rd game in 3 nights, so he may have been tired, plus I think Julien is trying to get Semonov going, as he hasn't played very good until recently, according to the annoucers. Where can I get stats for playing time? It seems to me that Komi didn't play more then 15 minutes.
|
|
|
Post by MPLABBE on Dec 10, 2002 9:56:39 GMT -5
I don't think they give them in the AHL
In a 15-1 blowout,3rd game in 3 nights, usually you play everyone and don't overplay your top players. So no surprise there. Sure it sucks if you are scouting him.....
|
|
|
Post by montreal on Dec 10, 2002 11:10:43 GMT -5
Montreal, this goes back to a running argument that BC and I had. I am a huge Komi fan and I was in the "AHL as soon as possible" camp. BC wanted him to "stay in Collage for another year" camp. This is BC's way of saying "I told you so" but he does not have all the ammunition so he is trying to come from the side with it. *sigh* Young ones, you can't beat them anymore............. Well, I was in the AHL camp, and still am. I saw Komi's last game at Michigan (got it on tape) and another in that year as well, and from what I saw and based on his stats, he was the leader on defense, as he was clearly a man among boys. Someone asked me what Komi's number was, as they were going to one of his games, and I told them, you don't need it, cause as soon as you see him on the ice, you know its him. Maybe its just me, but in those 2 games, I noticed the other teams forwards seemed to shy away from the puck when it was in his corner, as I would watch them slow up when it was in his corner. Maybe it was just wishful thinking, as he is one of the most hyped prospects we have had in a long time. Either way, he's in the AHL and there's no turning back on that one. One things for sure, he gets a ton of shots on goal, and I think his offence is very underrated. Can't wait to see him with the Habs full time.
|
|
|
Post by montreal on Dec 10, 2002 11:17:14 GMT -5
Where can I get stats for playing time? It seems to me that Komi didn't play more then 15 minutes. There's 3 places that have stats. hamiltonbulldogs.com, theahl.com, both I don't think either has playing time stats. There's usatoday.com under the scores section, on game day, that gives the basic stats of goals, assits, points, shots, +/-, game sumary, box score. But I don't think I have ever seen actual ice time stats. I look next game, which is tonight. Btw, Komi was a +5 that night you were there, and Beauchemin was a team leading +7
|
|
|
Post by MPLABBE on Dec 10, 2002 11:37:20 GMT -5
HA did Komisarek play with Marc André Bergeron on Sunday?
|
|