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Post by sonnytheman on Dec 8, 2002 23:31:14 GMT -5
Hey everyone, this is my first post here. I've been reading the posts here for the past week and it looks like a really good board.
Anyways, my first question: what does everyone think of Dackell? Does he really help the team much, or is he just taking up a spot that a young player should have? Honestly, he's a good 3rd-liner, but I'd much rather see a prospect playing there, or have Ribeiro centering Juneau and Bulis. Thoughts?
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Post by Roggy on Dec 8, 2002 23:43:30 GMT -5
Hi Sonny, good to have you aboard..uh...the board. I like the Dackell-Juneau pairing and feel that neither is nearly as effective without the other. When you get a chance, please read over the Code Of Conduct post by the board owner, Clear Observer. Its pretty easy, do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Otherwise you won't like us very much. Thanks and welcome, Roggy
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Post by Patty Roy on Dec 9, 2002 0:48:58 GMT -5
Hey everyone, this is my first post here. I've been reading the posts here for the past week and it looks like a really good board. Anyways, my first question: what does everyone think of Dackell? Does he really help the team much, or is he just taking up a spot that a young player should have? Honestly, he's a good 3rd-liner, but I'd much rather see a prospect playing there, or have Ribeiro centering Juneau and Bulis. Thoughts? Well i've never been a big Dackell fan, but his increased production during the last few games will probably help his chances of staying out of the press box anytime soon. Dackell and Juneau have done their job 5 on 5 this season, as they are almost always out against the opponents top line and for the most part have had success. However he's got to take some heat for our teams terrible PK this season. For the moment i think Dackell's job is safe and i don't see any reason to move him, but my guess is he may not be back next season with the Habs...guys like Hossa and Ward will hopefully be ready for NHL duty and i think Dackell could more or less be replaced by guys like McKay and Kilger.
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Post by UberCranky on Dec 9, 2002 1:12:48 GMT -5
Welcome to HabsRus STM.
You probabluy notied a few thing that are different from the other board, mainly we have a lot of respect for one another. While we may debate a subject until our keybords melt, we try very, very hard to respect others opinions. Take a minute and read out Code of Conduct that binds us all.
Again, welcome to our board.
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Post by montreal on Dec 9, 2002 3:25:54 GMT -5
Hey everyone, this is my first post here. I've been reading the posts here for the past week and it looks like a really good board. Anyways, my first question: what does everyone think of Dackell? Does he really help the team much, or is he just taking up a spot that a young player should have? Honestly, he's a good 3rd-liner, but I'd much rather see a prospect playing there, or have Ribeiro centering Juneau and Bulis. Thoughts? Welcome sonnytheman, and to answer your question, apart from his lack of play during the playoffs, I have no problems with Dackell. I happen it think it was a great move by Savard to get him for an 8th rounder. (maybe the Sens owed him a favor ) Anyway, he does a fine job on the 3rd line, and will get 30+ pts every year. Plus he and Juneau make up our best duo on the PK by far, IMO. He doesnt have much flash, but when he's on the ice he's very responisble in his own end. I think I notice about him, is when defensemen pinch in (mostly Markov) he drops back right away and covers for them. It sounds minor, but thats the kind of player we need, instead of the Chow/Perreault/Audette, group that think defence/backchecking isn't in their contract.
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Post by Doc Holliday on Dec 9, 2002 8:38:34 GMT -5
Dackell is an ok player who's sound defensively and can chip in offensively. The main knock against him is his lack of physical play. Guys like him are perfect to execute a certain mission for a certain time but shouldn't stall the prospects of an organization. As a matter of fact, I am sure the Sens liked Dacks but they gladly realeased him to bring up Chris Neil.
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Post by MPLABBE on Dec 9, 2002 9:11:02 GMT -5
Dackell is an ok player who's sound defensively and can chip in offensively. The main knock against him is his lack of physical play. Guys like him are perfect to execute a certain mission for a certain time but shouldn't stall the prospects of an organization. As a matter of fact, I am sure the Sens liked Dacks but they gladly realeased him to bring up Chris Neil. Wow that is exactly what I was going to say. Good job
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Post by wade on Dec 9, 2002 9:16:55 GMT -5
hey and welcome.... well just like everyone else here... yes hes an OKAY player... and no i probably wouldn't move him away from that line.... just like marc and doc i was gonna say the same thing.... but juneau starts whining when u take dackell off his line... Ex. remember gilmour playing that line? or was it bulis they took off and he was whining??? point being they're good together and they like to be left that way... its the only decent defensive line we have
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Post by MPLABBE on Dec 9, 2002 9:18:15 GMT -5
against NJ they took both Dacks and Bulis off the line and JJ complained cuz Gilmour and Mac were on it
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Post by Ryan on Dec 9, 2002 12:41:54 GMT -5
Like Doc said, Dackell isn't gonna hurt you out there, but there's no reason to keep him over a prospect that's ready for the show.
He won't be back next year, but it won't be for any other reason than Hossa, Ward or another kid are ready for some ice time.
If you don't notice Dackell, he's done his job right.
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Post by MPLABBE on Dec 9, 2002 12:57:27 GMT -5
oh, I think he will be back. His contract ends after next year.
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Post by montreal on Dec 9, 2002 16:21:22 GMT -5
Dackell is an ok player who's sound defensively and can chip in offensively. The main knock against him is his lack of physical play. Guys like him are perfect to execute a certain mission for a certain time but shouldn't stall the prospects of an organization. As a matter of fact, I am sure the Sens liked Dacks but they gladly realeased him to bring up Chris Neil. Well I heard an interview this year with the Sens coach and he was saying that the team still misses what Dackell brought to the table. Matter of fact he kinda made it sound like he was pissed that Dackell was traded in the first place, but that's just me reading in to it.
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Post by MPLABBE on Dec 9, 2002 16:26:50 GMT -5
Poor Jacques.... all he has to do is offer Spezza for Dackell and we might give Dackell back.......... ;D
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Post by Viper on Dec 9, 2002 17:07:02 GMT -5
Welcome Aboard Sonny glad to have you i've seen your stuff on HF i think although it may have been fanhome i can't recall now. I do remember the quality in your posts that's for sure.
Again welcome and Cheer's
Viper.
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Post by sonnytheman on Dec 9, 2002 19:18:22 GMT -5
Thaks for the warm welcome everyone. I may just be one of the few who sees Ward as being the type of player who should be brought up to play a few minutes instead of Dackell. I mean, I feel that Dackell is either helpful for a team short on talent (i.e: Nashville, Columbus, etc.) or team that needs a role player to eat up a few minutes because they want to win now. But a team that has enough talent but is still trying to develop their prospects is not a good place for him, IMO. I still think he brings good qualities to the team though.
wow Marc, 9581 posts.....you are my hero
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Post by MPLABBE on Dec 9, 2002 19:31:01 GMT -5
wow Marc, 9581 posts.....you are my hero I don't know whether to laugh or cry......
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Post by montreal on Dec 9, 2002 19:35:52 GMT -5
Thaks for the warm welcome everyone. I may just be one of the few who sees Ward as being the type of player who should be brought up to play a few minutes instead of Dackell. I mean, I feel that Dackell is either helpful for a team short on talent (i.e: Nashville, Columbus, etc.) or team that needs a role player to eat up a few minutes because they want to win now. But a team that has enough talent but is still trying to develop their prospects is not a good place for him, IMO. I still think he brings good qualities to the team though. wow Marc, 9581 posts.....you are my hero Well I think your right, Dackell is a short term fix, but to replace Ward with him now would be a mistake, IMO. Ward played his 1st healthy season last year, so going into this season, Savard had to have Dackell there over Ward, as it was uncertain if he would be healthy again or revert back to the injuries. Well now 25 games or so into the season, Ward is 2nd in the league in scoring, and if a trade is made, I think Ward or Hossa or Hainsey should get the call. (Hossa is on fire right now, he's 3rd on the team in scoring behind Gratton/Ward with 12 goals) I don't think it would hurt Ward and Hossa to play a full season in Hamilton this year to see how they do, (since both are really playing in just there 2nd year, since Hossa was a rookie last year, and Ward's progess has been set back by various injuries) so if they continue to do what they are doing all season long, then when camp comes around, they can be considered to challenge for a roster spot.
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Post by BadCompany on Dec 9, 2002 19:47:20 GMT -5
I don't think Ward and Dackell are anywhere close to being the same type of player, and there is no way, in my mind, Dackell should be replaced by Ward. They just don't do the same things.
Ward, if he is going to get a call up, would be in there to replace Lindsay, in my humble opinion. Eventually, if he shows enough, he could move up and replace McKay on the 2nd line, as that butt-in-the-crease guy. But that's a stretch.
Dackell's job is secure, I would think. There is nobody in the organization who really plays his role - that of the ultimate trap guy - with quite the same ability as he does. Hossa comes closest maybe, but he is a left winger, and I would hope that management has much higher offensive ambitions for him than having him top out as an Andreas Dackell.
I like Dackell. He is a very good 3rd liner, cheap, never complains, does his job, and rarely, if ever, costs you any games. Won't win you too many of them, but he won't lose you any either. Kills penalties, and is largely unnoticed, which isn't a bad thing for a defensive player. I'd keep him.
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Post by UberCranky on Dec 9, 2002 20:07:59 GMT -5
Ward, if he is going to get a call up, would be in there to replace Lindsay, in my humble opinion. Eventually, if he shows enough, he could move up and replace McKay on the 2nd line, as that butt-in-the-crease guy. But that's a stretch. What? WHAT? You humble? That is exactly what my opinion of Ward is. In fact, if Ward showed this game last year, I am sure Savard would not sign McKay. BC, I am not sure how Ward's game is going to succedd in the NHL. He needs to step it up yet another notch and make sure that those "two whackers" become "one whack and in". He is not going to have the time and space to stand there and keep hacking at the puck. I would of much rather seen a 20 foot lightning fast fast release and deadly accurate wrist shot then 5 foot "whack-a-thon".
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Dec 9, 2002 20:08:03 GMT -5
Dackell is an ok player who's sound defensively and can chip in offensively. The main knock against him is his lack of physical play. Guys like him are perfect to execute a certain mission for a certain time but shouldn't stall the prospects of an organization. As a matter of fact, I am sure the Sens liked Dacks but they gladly realeased him to bring up Chris Neil. I don't think Chris Neil had anything to do with Dacks becoming expendable, Doc. They picked up a rugged winger from the Islanders, Bill Mucklat (sp) and that was what made him expendable I believe. I honestly don't think Dacks is holding back any rookie at this point. He's the type of role player teams really can't do without. Even more so when he's paired with Juneau. IMHO, I think the players holding back young talent at this point are Audette, Dykhuis, Quintal, and at the end of this season, Juneau (depending how he does at camp) and Gilmour. I just don't think Doug will be around next year. And knowing my appreciation for what he brings to the table, that's as honest an opinion as I can give really. However, letting go so many players at once would also be counterproductive. Which ones would I let go first? Right now it's a hard call, but Audette and Dykhuis seem to want a change. Who's ready for promotion? Ward and Gratton seem to want it badly. They seem to be the best one-two tandem we've had in the minors since Lebeau and Brunet. But, I haven't seen any of the minor league games this year, so we'd have to ask a few of the lads who have I guess. Cheers.
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Post by BadCompany on Dec 9, 2002 20:21:58 GMT -5
I would of much rather seen a 20 foot lightning fast fast release and deadly accurate wrist shot then 5 foot "whack-a-thon". Isn't that Donald Audette's MO?
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Post by seventeen on Dec 9, 2002 20:55:05 GMT -5
wow Marc, 9581 posts.....you are my hero Of course, if you subtracted the 'game thread' posts......
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Post by MPLABBE on Dec 9, 2002 20:58:28 GMT -5
Of course, if you subtracted the 'game thread' posts...... The game thread posts count in that total.
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Post by UberCranky on Dec 9, 2002 21:01:21 GMT -5
Isn't that Donald Audette's MO? LOL Yeah! And? Audette can not find his own zone with a freaken' flashlight. Mind you, put a pink tutu on him and he wouild look wonderful when he skates his figure eights in mid ice. Isn't that also Exposito's MO? And Andreychuck's MO? That's who I was thinking when I wrote that. I know it was because I did not throw up thinking about Audette.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Dec 9, 2002 21:17:03 GMT -5
I like Dackell. He is a very good 3rd liner, cheap, never complains, does his job, and rarely, if ever, costs you any games. Won't win you too many of them, but he won't lose you any either. Kills penalties, and is largely unnoticed, which isn't a bad thing for a defensive player. I'd keep him. The same as Turner Stevenson, Scott Thorton, Marc Bureau, Benoit Brunet, an so on, and so on .... These are only a few of the guys who just go about their jobs and do a lot of little things that most take for granted. Cheers.
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Post by seventeen on Dec 9, 2002 22:59:56 GMT -5
The game thread posts count in that total. I know Marc. Just a little teasing about how your posting virulence is fortified by the game day threads.
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Post by PTH on Dec 9, 2002 23:18:37 GMT -5
The same as Turner Stevenson, Scott Thorton, Marc Bureau, Benoit Brunet, an so on, and so on .... These are only a few of the guys who just go about their jobs and do a lot of little things that most take for granted. Cheers. 3 of those 4 did the job while adding some grit..... which is something I think we could use a lot more of. I thought Dackell would be dumped and Asham given his slot, to be honest. *sigh*
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Post by montreal on Dec 10, 2002 1:18:24 GMT -5
I don't think Ward and Dackell are anywhere close to being the same type of player, and there is no way, in my mind, Dackell should be replaced by Ward. They just don't do the same things. Ward, if he is going to get a call up, would be in there to replace Lindsay, in my humble opinion. Eventually, if he shows enough, he could move up and replace McKay on the 2nd line, as that butt-in-the-crease guy. But that's a stretch. Dackell's job is secure, I would think. There is nobody in the organization who really plays his role - that of the ultimate trap guy - with quite the same ability as he does. Hossa comes closest maybe, but he is a left winger, and I would hope that management has much higher offensive ambitions for him than having him top out as an Andreas Dackell. I like Dackell. He is a very good 3rd liner, cheap, never complains, does his job, and rarely, if ever, costs you any games. Won't win you too many of them, but he won't lose you any either. Kills penalties, and is largely unnoticed, which isn't a bad thing for a defensive player. I'd keep him. Johan Eneqvist comes to mind, as someone who plays like Dackell, much more so then Hossa, but Eneqvist is a LW too. Well I don't see Ward taking Dacks job, as I agree it's secure for now. Ward, I would think would be better off on the 4th line RW, but we may have to wait a year or two for that to happen.
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Post by habwest on Dec 10, 2002 1:37:20 GMT -5
I agree with Bad Co. Dackell won't lose you many games and when you're playing against the other team's top line all the time that's what counts. The odd goal is nice bonus. When he and Juneau are out there it's usually not an adventure. A team needs guys like that.
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