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Post by Viper on Dec 9, 2002 18:14:19 GMT -5
www.thefourthperiod.com/rumors.htmlpulled this up from the Fourth period. not the most credible source but still interesting IMO. Bolts talking to 3 teams (Dec. 9th) The Tampa Bay Lightning are in the market for a defenseman. Bolts GM Jay Feaster had discussions Saturday with Boston Bruins GM Mike O'Connell, presumably about Boston holdout defenseman Kyle McLaren, reports the Tampa Tribune. There were also several representatives from other teams in attendance Saturday, including general managers Mike Milbury, of the NY Islanders, and André Savard, of the Montreal Canadiens, with whom Feaster also spoke with. Both the Islanders and Canadiens have been rumored to be looking to make moves to shake up their teams. The Canadiens are apparently interested in Pavel Kubina and with a depth-filled roster, could package enough to grab him. Any thoughts guys what would the bolts be looking for
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Post by MPLABBE on Dec 9, 2002 18:20:49 GMT -5
The guy is a right handed D...that alone makes him unlikely to be dealt here..
He is an enigma. A great talent who doesn't seem to have the hockey sense or the brains to turn into a star.
I'd offer them Rivet+2nd rounder in 03 draft(which is a great one) for Kubina. I doubt Feaster would take it.
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Post by Viper on Dec 9, 2002 18:26:24 GMT -5
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Post by MPLABBE on Dec 9, 2002 18:29:29 GMT -5
Komi is a righty
Either way I think Pavel Kubina will be dealt soon. They were booing him hard in TB against the Oil Thursday night. He has been there for a while and he has not progressed.
The guy has a rocket of a shot. He can hit but the mental part has not caught up.
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Post by BadCompany on Dec 9, 2002 20:05:16 GMT -5
The guy is a right handed D...that alone makes him unlikely to be dealt here.. He is an enigma. A great talent who doesn't seem to have the hockey sense or the brains to turn into a star. I'd offer them Rivet+2nd rounder in 03 draft(which is a great one) for Kubina. I doubt Feaster would take it. Well, I wouldn't give up Rivet and a 2nd to get him. In fact, I wouldn't give up Rivet period for him. Yes, his play has been less than stellar this year, but he is our ONLY leader on the blueline. Only Stephane Quintal comes close to him, and Quintal is (hopefully) on his way out. If Rivet goes, who would be the captain of the defenseman, the guy who would rally the troops, take the rookies under his wing, impart a little hairy-man wisdom on the peach-fuzz recruits who break into a cold sweat merely at mentioning of Mario Lemieux's name? Patrice Brisebois? The guy has been here for, well, forever, and he has never shown any leadership abilities. Karl Dykhuis? See Brisebois, only less talented and sucking big time. Quintal? Maybe for half a season or so, but if we are still counting on Stephane Quintal three years from now, this team will be in a world of hurt. Souray? Does Souray even play?Markov? Don't speak English. Hainsey? Komisarek? Maybe in 6 years. If Rivet goes, this team would have no leader on its blueline. Maybe Quintal in a pinch, but then nothing for the next 3-5 years, if not longer. Thats a recipe for disaster, especially for a team trying to break in bluechippers like Markov, Hainsey and Komisarek. Rivet may not be great, but he is the best we have. Probably why Savard locked him up. I'd love to get Kubina, and would offer up all kinds of offers for him, if only to get Quintal out of the lineup. But not Rivet.
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Post by KILLger on Dec 9, 2002 20:23:03 GMT -5
Chow+Bulis+2nd for Kubina+Taylor(UFA at year's end - salary dump)
I'd hate to lose Bulis, but Kubina is huge, has a wicked shot and plays the body well... We could sit Quintal or Rivet goes and gets surgery...
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Dec 9, 2002 20:43:03 GMT -5
Well, I wouldn't give up Rivet and a 2nd to get him. In fact, I wouldn't give up Rivet period for him. Yes, his play has been less than stellar this year, but he is our ONLY leader on the blueline. Only Stephane Quintal comes close to him, and Quintal is (hopefully) on his way out. If Rivet goes, who would be the captain of the defenseman, the guy who would rally the troops, take the rookies under his wing, impart a little hairy-man wisdom on the peach-fuzz recruits who break into a cold sweat merely at mentioning of Mario Lemieux's name? Patrice Brisebois? The guy has been here for, well, forever, and he has never shown any leadership abilities. Karl Dykhuis? See Brisebois, only less talented and sucking big time. Quintal? Maybe for half a season or so, but if we are still counting on Stephane Quintal three years from now, this team will be in a world of hurt. Souray? Does Souray even play?Markov? Don't speak English. Hainsey? Komisarek? Maybe in 6 years. If Rivet goes, this team would have no leader on its blueline. Maybe Quintal in a pinch, but then nothing for the next 3-5 years, if not longer. Thats a recipe for disaster, especially for a team trying to break in bluechippers like Markov, Hainsey and Komisarek. Rivet may not be great, but he is the best we have. Probably why Savard locked him up. I'd love to get Kubina, and would offer up all kinds of offers for him, if only to get Quintal out of the lineup. But not Rivet. It was like I was saying yesterday, BC, why would we bring up any young defenseman if he has to develop with a cast like ours around him? I haven't seen all that many games this year, but is Rivet still the last one out of the dressingroom and the last one off the ice? He seemed to assume that role a few years back and it was nice to see at least one player doing that. I've also notice that it didn't matter what tandem was our top pairing; Rivet and Markov, or Dykhuis and Brisebois. Both pairs were put in at crucial times, and both pairs, not necessarily all of the time, caved. They split up Brisebois/Dykhuis, but our defense is less than adequate to say the least. Funny thing was, only two years ago we were debating how deep we were at that position. Rivet has his moments and while I don't agree with his contract, he at least exerts an honest effort in trying to show leadership. Who else do we have? Brisebois and his contract? Well, in a pinch I feel he'd do better than Quintal at this point. After Brisebois and Rivet, well .... Just a suggestion, but it might be time to break up Rivet and Markov. Sure, they play well together and are the only pair to have weathered the onslaught, but it might give Rivet a chance to bring along another young stud. Just a suggestion. Cheers.
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Post by MPLABBE on Dec 9, 2002 20:56:52 GMT -5
Well, I wouldn't give up Rivet and a 2nd to get him. In fact, I wouldn't give up Rivet period for him. Yes, his play has been less than stellar this year, but he is our ONLY leader on the blueline. Only Stephane Quintal comes close to him, and Quintal is (hopefully) on his way out. If Rivet goes, who would be the captain of the defenseman, the guy who would rally the troops, take the rookies under his wing, impart a little hairy-man wisdom on the peach-fuzz recruits who break into a cold sweat merely at mentioning of Mario Lemieux's name? Patrice Brisebois? The guy has been here for, well, forever, and he has never shown any leadership abilities. Karl Dykhuis? See Brisebois, only less talented and sucking big time. Quintal? Maybe for half a season or so, but if we are still counting on Stephane Quintal three years from now, this team will be in a world of hurt. Souray? Does Souray even play?Markov? Don't speak English. Hainsey? Komisarek? Maybe in 6 years. If Rivet goes, this team would have no leader on its blueline. Maybe Quintal in a pinch, but then nothing for the next 3-5 years, if not longer. Thats a recipe for disaster, especially for a team trying to break in bluechippers like Markov, Hainsey and Komisarek. Rivet may not be great, but he is the best we have. Probably why Savard locked him up. I'd love to get Kubina, and would offer up all kinds of offers for him, if only to get Quintal out of the lineup. But not Rivet. Hmm, you got me on the leader part but then again if you want a leader just sign some veteran to act as a 6th-7th guy. Would you deal Hainsey for Kubina?
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Post by Douper on Dec 9, 2002 20:58:49 GMT -5
Hey why not offer up Chow + Balej + Dykhuis for Andre Roy and Kubina???
I really like Roy in Ottawa and I think he could be great in Montreal
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Post by MPLABBE on Dec 9, 2002 20:59:49 GMT -5
Bolts take on too much money is my guess.
and they already had Dykhuis so I doubt they want him again.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Dec 9, 2002 21:05:20 GMT -5
Hey why not offer up Chow + Balej + Dykhuis for Andre Roy and Kubina??? I really like Roy in Ottawa and I think he could be great in Montreal I was thinking how Andre Roy would look in a Habs jersey. He was one of the most popular players in Ottawa and I think he'd catch on pretty quick in Montreal as well. He's a pretty tough player who is a real team guy. But, methinks Tampa know that and probably wouldn't move him at this point. Nice to think about though. Cheers.
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Post by KILLger on Dec 9, 2002 21:18:51 GMT -5
Bolts take on too much money is my guess. and they already had Dykhuis so I doubt they want him again. Chow = $2,600,000.00 Dykhuis = $1,500,000.00 TOTAL = 4,100,000.00 Roy = $700,000.00 Kubina = $2,250,000.00 TOTAL = $2,950,000.00 $4,100,000.00-$2,950,000.00=$1,050,000,00 We add someone like Taylor ($1,600,000.00) for a mid pick or we give them some $$$ and there's no more problems... Roy'd look great in a hab uniform. First he injures Odjick (addition by substraction... sorry for the guy but he's crap) and then would be our force to be reckoned with... too sweet to be true.
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Post by MPLABBE on Dec 9, 2002 21:32:40 GMT -5
well Odjick is retired. This his 9th or 10th concussion(he said it on CKAC last week).To come back would be just stupid for his health.
As for the TB proposal, does it really improve their team? Andre Roy has turned out to be a decent player for them. He has been better than Chow this year. Bolts have plenty of skilled forwards. Kubina is 10 times the d-man Dykhuis is. Balej is no sure thing IMO.
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