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Post by The Habitual Fan on Dec 5, 2002 15:39:27 GMT -5
Both of these guys have now cleared waivers and can me sent to Hamilton. If Savard and Therrian want to send them a wake up call then do it...send them down for 2-3 weeks and bring up Hossa, Ward, Gratton ..slide in Ribero...put Bulis on the top line, but try almost anything to light a fire on this team.
Mention to Quintal and Dykhuis that they may be going on waivers next if they don't smarten up pretty soon.
At this point the Habs have lost 5 out of 6 games and could do no worse with fresh blood in the lineup.
If in 3 weeks they are not burning up the AHL, either leave them there or cut them loose.
I watched last nights game on a Dallas network and even they noticed that Petrov, Koivu and the checking line of Juneau and Dackall were the only guys that did not give up after the Stars were up 2-1.
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Post by MPLABBE on Dec 5, 2002 15:46:38 GMT -5
I have no official proof that Audette cleared waivers(french media would have been all over it, to them Audette is a god)..but if you did pass him back up on waivers no one would even consider claiming him so yes he can be sent down to Hamilton just like Chow.
Oh man, what I would give to see their reaction after learning they are going down..LOL!!
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Post by JohnnyVerdun on Dec 5, 2002 15:55:08 GMT -5
That's good. Montreal, Savard and the organization should work hard to develop a reputation for humiliating their players. That'll help.
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Post by Viper on Dec 5, 2002 16:43:17 GMT -5
That's good. Montreal, Savard and the organization should work hard to develop a reputation for humiliating their players. That'll help. So which way is it gonna be Johnny THe Gm humiliating his player's or the player's sucking the joint out and humiliating the team. I technically think this whole cerkawski thing has been a disaster from the moment i heard of the deal. Not because of Cerk he has been jerked around like a stray dog and fed table scraps by whino's and it seems the Management and coaching is blind to the fact that they royally screwed him since the start or are just to stubborn to admit it. For him I blame the coaching staff primarily because of how he's been handled but also the management for not stepping in when the mess escalated and for not having the foresight to realize what was being created by the deal. As for Audette he can just rot in the damn minor's forever for all I care and if you call that humiliation that's fine but i call it a damn good message. Play or be exiled bottom line. Put up or shut up. that's the way it should be but sadly in todays money market NHL this is no longer how things are done. Audette and his salary gets a million chances to perform and fails miserably but for money reasons (there's not another legitimate reason for this insanity ) he keeps getting thrown back out there on his free skate while Saku and Zed bust their rump to create offense.
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Post by MPLABBE on Dec 5, 2002 16:49:29 GMT -5
Amen to that viper.
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Post by darz on Dec 5, 2002 16:53:02 GMT -5
can't send audette, and chow down to hamilton...won't accomplish anything... it'll piss off the other player, screw up the prospects by bring them into one screwed up situation, veteran players around the league will make sure they NEVER sign in montreal, just don't see the good in it. maybe AS could take chow aside and say, listen we got a little mess up here, why don't you go to hamilton for a few weeks, get your legs back, i'll bring you up within 3 weeks, or have you traded. maybe that would be a better way to handle it....oh yeah and fire therrien!!!
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Post by Andrew on Dec 5, 2002 17:05:04 GMT -5
Darz and JV ar right. Handling established NHL players in such a manner is the worst thing you can do in terms of maintaining credibility as an organization. One of the huge problems during the Houle era was that Montreal had a reputation as a disorganized team where nobody wanted to play.
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Post by Viper on Dec 5, 2002 17:25:31 GMT -5
Darz and JV ar right. Handling established NHL players in such a manner is the worst thing you can do in terms of maintaining credibility as an organization. One of the huge problems during the Houle era was that Montreal had a reputation as a disorganized team where nobody wanted to play. i'm a little confused now. How is it that by fixing this freakish mess makes things look bad for the organization What is happening right now with the consistently oblivious reasoning for benchings and the blatent favouritism of out coaching staff to the vets hasn't already created this I'm pretty sure that around the league they are looking at how we have royally screwed Cerkawski and saying to themselves screw that i'm not going there if it means i get treated like that. It's way to late to start thinking about reputation. It's already been severely damaged IMO. Audette has stunk despite getting a ton of quality first line minutes and a pile of PP time it's 25 games into the year for god sakes and he's still horrible. How much more agony does Saku and Zed have to go through with this meatball skating around out there on their line because that's about all he does. send a Message to the league that if you come here and you suck then action will be taken. At least then we'll have some respect as an organization and the player's that are here will understand the demand. Even if it means guys don't want to play here because of it. On top of that do we really care that the guys who don't want to come here because of those demands don't show up. The way i see it it could help sort the men from the boys so to speak.
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Post by MPLABBE on Dec 5, 2002 17:40:15 GMT -5
Who cares what the rest of the league thinks about what we did to Chow/Audette.
No big time FA will come here and we don't need anymore average player's from that market.
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Post by Habfaith on Dec 5, 2002 18:05:29 GMT -5
Andrew has the best Avitar ever.
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Post by Viper on Dec 5, 2002 18:09:16 GMT -5
Who cares what the rest of the league thinks about what we did to Chow/Audette. No big time FA will come here and we don't need anymore average player's from that market. Well i'll bet the farm that the player's care and those who are big time or even not so big time are gonna take notice. Not to mention that the poor relationships between coaches/Management and its players will cause a hell of alot of heartache for us when resigning the guys we do have. I for one want to see the big time free agents take a look at us. when the team develops a strong core and needs a few off season signings as final touches that respectful quality organization image will be of utmost importance. People like Cujo don't sign in detroit for less money when the organization is crap and treats it's player's like we have Cerk. Cerk has got a raw deal since arriving he was brought here to add offense and given next to no opportunity from the fourth line and the press box it's a humiliation to the franchise the way that has been played out.
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Post by montreal on Dec 5, 2002 18:25:32 GMT -5
That's good. Montreal, Savard and the organization should work hard to develop a reputation for humiliating their players. That'll help. Savard doesn't need to do that, Chow and Audette can humiliate themselfes just fine on their own.
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Post by Andrew on Dec 5, 2002 18:36:07 GMT -5
Andrew has the best Avitar ever. Hehe.. thanks. You're right that the situation already is a mess Viper, but the Habs handleing of Czerk has been poor from the start. They brought him into a situation where there was no room for him, didn't give him much of a chance in a scoring role, and benched him. He's not an AHL player, and sending him to the AHL would be a mistake IMO.
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Post by BadCompany on Dec 5, 2002 19:50:52 GMT -5
The problem is both Czerkawski and Audette are legitimate NHL players, not far from their prime. Heck, just a few short months ago Savard was insisting Czerkawski was a 30 goal scorer. We're not talking about Bob Boughner or Patrick Poulin type veterans here, hanging on because they have nothing else to do, we are talking about NHL players, who, if they were making $1.5 million less, would be snatched up by a good 20 of the 30 teams in the league.
By throwing them on waivers (and I don't think Audette was ever on waivers) you destroy what little trade value they may have had, humilate and embarrass them in front of their teammates, destroy any team chemistry you might have had (who wants to sit with the waiver boys?) and kill any reputation you had around the league. Czerkawski had played in what? 255 straight games? And you want to send them the AHL?? How much good do you think they are going to do down there, with their sulking attitudes influencing the kids?? They messed up an NHL dressing room, do we want them messing up the AHL one too??
Handled badly. One of Czerkawsi or Audette should have been dumped 2 days after they shelved the hi, ho, silver approach. Heck, most people here thought one of them was going to be dumped 2 days after the draft. If you don't dump them, you buy them out, or showcase them. You bad-mouth them to the press and the league, embarrass them, and kill any chances they might have had of ever turning it around. How hard is Czerkawski going to play now? How well did benching Audette work?
Whatever happened to Montreal being considered the classiest organization in sports? Now we have established veterans being treated like crap, teammates scrapping in practice, Gino Odjick being screwed over because he got hurt training for the season, the GM bad-mouthing the teams leading point getting prospects and youngest NHL players, and the coach bad mouthing guys who were supposed to be on the top two lines.
Its embarrassing.
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