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Post by MPLABBE on Dec 5, 2002 10:39:09 GMT -5
Time for AS to take the broom and the Mr Clean and clean up this house........
First move, the obvious:
Out: Therrien and Green
In: head coach with experience+someone who will teach our d-man how to REALLY play
Get a head coach who will have a system in place. A guy who trusts youngsters. A guy who knows how to handle veterans. A guy who can outsmart another coach when he needs to. No more rookie head coaches.
Now, on the ice:
Out: Gilmour
In: Hossa
You had a nice career Dougie, go end it somewhere else where you can contend for something. Marcel, you have the rest of the season to show us what you are made of on a scoring line. No healthy scratches after a bad game. PP time, alot of ice time,etc. 19 points in 22 games after a slow start is more than enough to tell me the kid is ready
Out: One of Dykhuis/Traverse/Quintal In: Hainsey
The 3 veterans mentionned all suck and by 5 games Hainsey will be much better than them. Like Hossa, tell him he has a spot in the lineup for the rest of the year with PP time, 5 on 5 time, with a quality partner,etc. Let him make his rookie mistakes in the long run we will benifit from it. 8 points in 13 games shows me offensively he is ready.
Out: RATDOG err Audette In:Ward
I don't care if we have to pay him 5 million to buy out his contract. I would rather buy out his contract, pay him 5 million, see him leave, give Ward a spot than see Audette and his crappy game stay here for 8 million$. Man the guy should be charged for robbery. Like Hossa and Hainsey, tell Ward he is getting a quality chance. Who knows, maybe Ward is a late bloomer? hell, at 23 he is probably an early bloomer when it comes to power forwards
Out:Chow In Bouillon
Let Chow go wherever he wants. Give Bouillon a shot until Souray comes back.
Out: Hackett(trade) In: Garon
It's time to put an end to this goaltending...well call it whatever you want to call it. Once we get a good offer for Hackett, deal him! He ain't coming back next year, he is a UFA, he is getting up there in age and he deserves a chance at a number 1 gig. He has done alot for us, let's reward him by dealing him somewhere nice. It's not like we are cup contending team here that doesn't want to take the risk of going into the playoffs with an unproven backup. Theodore will be fine. His last 3 games have been good and it's not his fault the team in front of him sucks. Give Garon his 12 starts to cancel out his UFA and see what he can do.
Next, build a 4th line that will provide ENERGY, SPUNK, ENTHOUSIASM AND GRIT. Like the 4th line the Nucks have: Cooke-ChubaroV-Letowski. Man those guys are a great 4th line. Enough with these veteran overpaid 4th liners. Guys like Gratton are what our 4th line needs. All out effort and energy. Add a big body or two to it and voila...
So your new, revamped Habs
Bulis-Koivu-Zednik(HAPPY VIPER ;D) Hossa-Perreault-Ward Kilger-Juneau-Dackell 4TH: ENERGY LINE
Markov-Brisebois Hainsey-Rivet(let Craig help Hainsey out like he helped Markov) Bouillon(Souray)-whoever is left of the 3 stiffs
Theodore Garon
Younger, faster, cheaper and probably better
Get to work AS!
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Post by The New Guy on Dec 5, 2002 10:59:29 GMT -5
Can I ask a question? Why is everyone in a rush to move Zednick back to the right side? He didn't start really producing until we changed his wing. Why do we want him to go back across all of a sudden?
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Post by MPLABBE on Dec 5, 2002 11:18:34 GMT -5
Can I ask a question? Why is everyone in a rush to move Zednick back to the right side? He didn't start really producing until we changed his wing. Why do we want him to go back across all of a sudden? This is an excellent question. I don't know if you have noticed but alot of the goals Zednik scores, he is on the right side. The 2nd one against Boston last week is one I can think of the top of my head. Another one against Checmanek in Philly comes to mind. His 2nd one in Toronto(top corner on Belfore...he was on the right side). I think Zednik was just due to breakout. Regardless of what wing he plays.
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Post by Douper on Dec 5, 2002 11:46:45 GMT -5
You know Marc. We could get rid of all the players you've mentioned and just get draft picks and I would be satisfied. But 1 thing I hate is seing this Chow situation. Tood bad we have an idiot behind the bench cause I really thought he'd do something for us!
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Post by MPLABBE on Dec 5, 2002 11:52:01 GMT -5
Well, I thought Chow would help, you know score 20 maybe 25 goals.
But the way the whole situation has played out, best to just move on.
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Post by habruti on Dec 5, 2002 13:10:37 GMT -5
Time for AS to take the broom and the Mr Clean and clean up this house........ First move, the obvious: Out: Therrien and Green In: head coach with experience+someone who will teach our d-man how to REALLY play Get a head coach who will have a system in place. A guy who trusts youngsters. A guy who knows how to handle veterans. A guy who can outsmart another coach when he needs to. No more rookie head coaches. Now, on the ice: Out: Gilmour In: Hossa You had a nice career Dougie, go end it somewhere else where you can contend for something. Marcel, you have the rest of the season to show us what you are made of on a scoring line. No healthy scratches after a bad game. PP time, alot of ice time,etc. 19 points in 22 games after a slow start is more than enough to tell me the kid is ready Out: One of Dykhuis/Traverse/Quintal In: Hainsey The 3 veterans mentionned all suck and by 5 games Hainsey will be much better than them. Like Hossa, tell him he has a spot in the lineup for the rest of the year with PP time, 5 on 5 time, with a quality partner,etc. Let him make his rookie mistakes in the long run we will benifit from it. 8 points in 13 games shows me offensively he is ready. Get to work AS! Well I must admit this is a cleanup...a very different one then the one I had anticipated but one nevertheless. I would not do all those changes for the sake of changing the team look without (or close to) touching the defense.... i have a couple of points on this: 1- Is there a logical reason why everyone is booting Quintal before Rivet out of the lineup. I thought Quintal had a very bad start but Rivet has been Brutal all year long and on top of that he has 3 years left to his contract which makes me puke every time I see him turning his back to the slot when he is in front of the net.... How can you clear the front of the net while strickly looking at the goaly. 2- It would be really nice to get rid of both Audette and Chow but the in reality their fat contracts makes them almost impossible to move, unless they are packaged with other valuable players. No team in the NHL would just buy out a contracts, that would be (as a GM) admitting you sucked pretty bad when you acquired the player. 3- I totally agree with Theo, give him a team, he will be fine as long as you clear the front of the net and prevent those shots from 4-5 feet. 4- Any changes to the veterans (Gilmour, Juneau, Mackay) will require a change of the actual coaching staff since they do not have any faith in the young players of this organization. But even there I think these guys are valuable for this team... As long as there is place for youth. My current plan (just like therrien I change my mind everyday): 1- Trade for a Right handed dmen: Mironov, Rachunek, Ference could be potential deals but I think Mironov could be the most doable trade...May be something line Mironov and a 2nd for Rivet and Czerkawski. 2-Trade Petrov and Hackett for Kloucek: I do not think that Souray will be back this year and if he is the deal with it at that time. If that is not enough then include Kilger has well for more return from the NYR. 3- Do agree with buying out Audette's contract although it might be impossible for reasons I mentioned above. 4- Fire current coaching staff besides Jodouin and Melancon (Jodouin was responsible for players development so for the kids I think he is a good asset). 5- Hire new coaching staff...has stated in previous posts my preference would be for something along those lines (Head coach: Ted Nolan or Larry Robinson. Assistants: Mike Bossy, Rod Langway, Roly Melancon and Clement jodouin) 6- Now with a new coaching staff may be we could bring few players from the farm (Hossa, Ward, Garon and Hainsey) My revamped habs would then look slightly different then yours with: 1- Hossa, Koivu, Zednik ( I was jugling with who to put on the top line but Hossa may be the only guy that we have with the size, speed and talent 'The part Kilger does not have' to complete Sak and Zed on the top line. 2- Gilmour, Perreault, Ward ( I think Ward would be a very good fit on this line. Perreault and Gilmour could definitively use is grit and Ward's skating is good enough to follow these two guys... 3- Bulis, Juneau, Dackell ( They are working well together, I would leave Bulis there for the year has he seems to be taking more and more responsabilities) 4- Blouin, Kilger, Mackay --- or --- Kilger, Ribeiro, Audette depending on the team The defense pairing would look like this: Markov, Mironov Kloucek, Brisebois Hainsey, (Traverse/Quintal) This team might not win more games but they would definitively compete more!
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Post by Ranger Ranchod on Dec 5, 2002 15:34:42 GMT -5
Bulis-Koivu-Zednik(HAPPY VIPER ;D) Hossa-Perreault-Ward Kilger-Juneau-Dackell 4TH: ENERGY LINE Markov-Brisebois Hainsey-Rivet(let Craig help Hainsey out like he helped Markov) Bouillon (Souray)-whoever is left of the 3 stiffs Theodore Garon Younger, faster, cheaper and probably better Younger, faster, cheaper, and probably alot worse. Any team with Ward on their 2nd line is going nowhere, sorry. Petrov should definitely be there ahead of him, especially with the Markov connection. Alot of the other stuff you propose makes sense, but not that second line. And what about making young players earn their way onto the team? I'm all for giving young guys ice time, and lots of it, but they need to earn it. Has he (Hainsey) earned it? If not, there is no reason he should be playing up there. Bouillon over Quintal??? I just don't get that.
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Post by MPLABBE on Dec 5, 2002 15:42:57 GMT -5
1- Is there a logical reason why everyone is booting Quintal before Rivet out of the lineup. I thought Quintal had a very bad start but Rivet has been Brutal all year long and on top of that he has 3 years left to his contract which makes me puke every time I see him turning his back to the slot when he is in front of the net.... How can you clear the front of the net while strickly looking at the goaly. Rivet, well we are basically stuck with him after that dal. Agreed It will not work unless we pay 3 million. Hawks GM said he will not pay any part of Mironov's salary. . If that is not enough then include Kilger has well for more return from the NYR. I love this line. They have it all. Only question is if Zednik can keep on dominating at RW(which I think he can) Not tough to keep up with Dougy and YP I think it could work but I would rather see Bulis on that line to bring a little speed Kilger-Juneau-Dackell worked well last year down the stretch so if Bulis goes to the 2nd line, I have no problem with it. Not a bad Defence at all. I like it. Yes that team would win more games. You add big bodies to the lineup(Ward, Hossa, Kilger on a full time basis, Kloucek, Hainsey) and more youth.
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Post by MPLABBE on Dec 5, 2002 15:44:48 GMT -5
Younger, faster, cheaper, and probably alot worse. Any team with Ward on their 2nd line is going nowhere, sorry. Petrov should definitely be there ahead of him, especially with the Markov connection. Alot of the other stuff you propose makes sense, but not that second line. And what about making young players earn their way onto the team? I'm all for giving young guys ice time, and lots of it, but they need to earn it. Has he (Hainsey) earned it? If not, there is no reason he should be playing up there. Bouillon over Quintal??? I just don't get that. Yikes, I did forget Petrov. Well if Ward doesn't cut in on the 2nd line, he can go to a 4th and Petrov can take the RW spot on the Perreault line Has Hainsey earned it? in the minors so far he has been playing pretty well and would have played against Boston last friday if Markov couldn't go. Bouillon over Quintal? well at least Bouillon can still skate a little...something Q just can't do anymore
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Post by Willie Dog on Dec 5, 2002 15:46:45 GMT -5
I say give the kids the ice time man and let them prove their worth. And none of this 'you get a penalty you sit' crap that MTHead has been dishing out. Just because a player makes big bucks doesn't mean you can't sit his ass down for a game or two and give a youngster some decent ice time.
I want the Habs to go into the second and third round because that's where the cash comes from to keep and sign players, playoff money allows them to get UFA's, like a power forward or strong D-man.
Boy would I love to have a guy like Chelios here to teach the new ministry of defence how to handle forwards coming down the boards or in front of the net.
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Post by zenseeker on Dec 5, 2002 15:47:00 GMT -5
I couldn't agree more guys it is time to start getting rid of dead wood. We have to get younger. I would also bring Hossa, Ward, and Hainsey up from the AHL. Then i would send Audette, and Quintel packing by any means necessary. Trade Petrov, Ribs and Hacket. Ribs has some talent, but I believe it would be better suited on a team with lots of size up front. Petrov like his heart and speed, but I believe he is a UFA after this season and we do have to make room. Hackett is a class guy a deserves a chance to be the number one guy somewhere else, also here we are wasting a young talented goalie right now in Garon. Hopefully in return for those three we can get a tough stay at home defenseman that has room to grow. MT out. What the hell Nolan in. Lines would look like.
1st line......... Bulis Koivu Zed
2nd line...........Hossa Perreault Chow
3rd line............Kilger Juneau Dackell
4th line........... Ward Gilmour Blouin or a better version extra Lindsay Gratton
Defense
1st Markov Brisebois
2nd Souray Rivet
3rd Hainsey New guy we will say Ference
extra Bouillen Traverse
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Post by zenseeker on Dec 5, 2002 15:48:52 GMT -5
ohh i forgot Dykhuis well we will trade him and Blouin for a big young mean ass mother enforcer, ability to skate is optional.
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Post by Viper on Dec 5, 2002 17:06:49 GMT -5
Has he (Hainsey) earned it? If not, there is no reason he should be playing up there. Bouillon over Quintal??? I just don't get that. The problem alot of us have is the way he got handled in the first place. Many of us including myself feel he got screwed royally by Therrien's and Green's bogus preferential treatment of their veteran's. Hainsey started riding the pines in the game versus Tampa when he was minus three (all because his defense partner Q-ball was absolutely horrible so they slap Hainsey the rookie for it because it's easier ) then got benched for three or four games when in actuality he had outplayed half of our blueline in that game Especially Quintal. After he gets slapped on the wrist actually he got kicked royally in the a$$ for showing some offensive idea's, In a game where we we're trailing by 2 or 3 goals he should have been praised for his efforts because pinching in and creating scoring chances should be what you want from the blueline when your trailing, He comes back scared and nervous because he could get Saperlipopettee on for touching the puck after the fiasco he already was put through, You can't expect his confidence to rise when you get benched for doing the right things. Now Has he earned his spot well your darn right considering he never deserved to lose it in the first place.
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Post by MPLABBE on Dec 5, 2002 17:08:42 GMT -5
Game against Buffalo. 6-1 pasting on that Saturday night. Not against Tampa. God that was ugly.
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Post by Viper on Dec 5, 2002 18:02:14 GMT -5
Game against Buffalo. 6-1 pasting on that Saturday night. Not against Tampa. God that was ugly. oh yeah thanks Marc i was in lala land there lol
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Post by montreal on Dec 5, 2002 18:07:07 GMT -5
Well I for one think it was good to send Hainsey down. If not he would be playing 8-9 minutes, watching his team get out played and shelled many a night. Whereas in Hamilton he's on the best team in the AHL, getting prime minutes, playing a key role on the team. Also they are winning a lot more then they lose, and it's very good for a young player to be in a winning environment. Heck they could win the calder this year, where the Habs will be fighting for the playoffs all season long. I would like to watch Hainsey play over Dykhuis any day, but I think its better for the future to have Hainsey playing in Hamilton with Komisarek, who make no mistake are our future leaders on defence.
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Post by Viper on Dec 5, 2002 18:15:48 GMT -5
Well I for one think it was good to send Hainsey down. If not he would be playing 8-9 minutes, watching his team get out played and shelled many a night. Whereas in Hamilton he's on the best team in the AHL, getting prime minutes, playing a key role on the team. Also they are winning a lot more then they lose, and it's very good for a young player to be in a winning environment. Heck they could win the calder this year, where the Habs will be fighting for the playoffs all season long. I would like to watch Hainsey play over Dykhuis any day, but I think its better for the future to have Hainsey playing in Hamilton with Komisarek, who make no mistake are our future leaders on defence. Very true Montreal very true but at the same time (you already know what's coming) if it wasn't for our coaching staff i really feel the environment up here would be tremendously worthwhile. However, given the circumstances what you say makes total sense. I still feel he got screwed by the demotion and even though he's been politically correct to the media i'm willing to bet he feels the same way. The man is not stupid and must know that getting negative will only hinder him. I think alot of his feelings rgarding that scenario have either been left unsaid or only mentioned to his closest of closest friends.
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