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Post by MPLABBE on Dec 2, 2002 17:40:29 GMT -5
Correct me if I am wrong...let's say: - Gilmour retires. We save 2 million.
- Hackett leaves. 3.6 million saved
- Lindsay probably leaves. 500K saved
- Petrov probably leaves. 1+ million saved
- Czerkawski or maybe even Audette traded. Around 3 million saved
+WE FINALLY stop paying Linden. 2 million I believe? Wow, that makes around 10-12 million bucks. Of course some guys will be getting raises(Rivet, Koivu, Markov, Theodore, Brisebois I believe all come to mind) and the players replacing those who left will make a fair amount of money(rookies make a million per year most of the time), but still that should/could give us some wiggle room in the off-season. But more savings will come after the 2003-04 season - Juneau is a UFA. 2 million
- Perreault is a UFA. That's 2.8 million
- Quintal is a UFA. That's 2.5 million if not more.
- McKay retires. 2 million saved.
- Dackell a UFA. Around 2 million saved once more
- Traverse deal is up. 700K could be saved
- Odjick deal will be finished. 700K saved
I believe that is all. That total is about 12 million$. So in 2 off-seasons, our payroll could go down at least 15 million-20 million. Wow, that's 2 or 3 or 4 free agents you can add. That's TWO impact players you can add. And I didn't even count Dykhuis(2 million), Audette(3 million) who could be moved. Can you imagine if the kids come on strong+ the current mid 20's nucleus+ a free agent or two? And another question...if a guy retires with a year left on his contract, do we still pay him? Say Quintal decides he has had enough after this year. Do we still pay him 2+ million next year? Any thoughts? Man alot of $$$ will be available and if things are did right we could have a VERY interesting situation in MTL.
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Post by montreal on Dec 2, 2002 17:56:35 GMT -5
Well if Savard can move Hackett and Audette (not easy) thats 6.6M off the book this year. For next year, Gilmor should retire (i hope), Hackett will most likely be gone, as I don't think he would resign, and if he did, no way does he get 3.6M or more, and then Garon, would be gone, and that would save 900K. As for players that will get a raise, Markov and Koivu should get the biggest, IMO. Markov is making 700K right now, and should get 1-2M next year. Koivu, I would think gets 4-5M a year depending on how many games he plays this year. And Rivet will make 2.5M next year, Brezzy the same amout as this year 4M, and Theo the same amout as this year 5.3M. I think Petrov will not be here next year, hopefully Dykhuis is gone too, or else Hainsey will have a hard time making the team next year. Dykhuis, Markov, Souray, Hainsey, so Dykhuis and his 1.5M got to go. Quintal and Traverse should be here next year, but hopefully it will be their last. Traverse makes 800K this year and 900K next year. Quintal gets somewhere around 2M, after after next season, Komisarek is hopefully ready to take over his spot, with someone like Jarventie or Beauchemin or Bouillon could take over as 7th for Traverse. Odjick, I thoght they weren't paying his salary? Also I would like to see, Audette gone ASAP, Chow gone ASAP, Petrov gone, Gilmor gone, Dykhuis gone, Quintal gone, Traverse gone, Perreault gone, McKay gone, all over the next 2 years.
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Post by MPLABBE on Dec 2, 2002 18:26:03 GMT -5
Yes we are about to see some major house cleaning.
Hopefully AS doesn't bring in a new brand of Gilmour's and Quintal's and Perreault's to fill the holes. Let the kids play and keep the money for a big time UFA and keeping our own stars.
As for Gino, the whole mess between him and the org is about his contract situation. So it's not known yet
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Post by GoMtl on Dec 2, 2002 18:27:38 GMT -5
kind of funny we recently aquired most of these guys we're begging to be gone now... bad management... but things do look promising for the 04-05 season. i wouldn't want to see perreault leave, so hopefully he re-signs when his contract is up.
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Post by JohnnyVerdun on Dec 2, 2002 18:35:04 GMT -5
kind of funny we recently aquired most of these guys we're begging to be gone now... bad management... but things do look promising for the 04-05 season. i wouldn't want to see perreault leave, so hopefully he re-signs when his contract is up. They'll have served their purpose. I no huge crazed fan of perreault, Quintal, or Gilmour, but they will have served their purpose.
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Post by darz on Dec 2, 2002 18:36:03 GMT -5
as prospects become nhl ready, there will be roster spots available, the timing, i believe is not an accident. next year hossa, and hainsey will be nhl ready, replacing people that get moved, within 2 years, probablely 2 or 3 more roster spots open up. AS has stated his plan, and has stuck to his word.
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Post by MPLABBE on Dec 2, 2002 18:36:11 GMT -5
Yeah they served as a stopgap before the kids arrived.
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Post by GoMtl on Dec 2, 2002 18:55:50 GMT -5
even with the kids ready a team still needs a few key veterans to win. perreault could settle in nicely by that time on the 3rd line, while still taking key draws and bringing leadership with koivu, rivet, and brisebois. q, mckay, gilmour, etc. should all be gone by then i hope and perreault will be one of the few vets, i'd like to keep him, he's a hab in my mind now.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Dec 2, 2002 19:42:04 GMT -5
If we lose enough veterans we could become an expansion team with a low payroll. If we hadn't overpaid marginal players in the first place we wouldn't have any problems. This thinking is going bckwards fast, not improving. It's like saying we don't want Iginla or Thornton because they earn too much!
We want productive players and we want to pay them well. We don'twant oter teams 30 somthings and smurfs who can't clear the zone. We don't want Breezeby at any price and the revolvng Czerkawski, Berezin, Rucinsky door has to stop.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Dec 2, 2002 19:51:20 GMT -5
Trading Czerkawski, Gilmour, Lindsay and Brisebois is like having your ex-wife remarry. You wish them all the luck in the world in their new surroundings, just don't come back. If done right (not like Linden) you are rid of both a wife and an old car, and you can stop paying the bills for gas and service. When you rid yourself of an unproductive old veteran you don't want to have to give up teenage draft choices either. Scouting is both fun and a source of future development. Watching them put on your old T-shirt on draft day is a high!
Add Rucinsky, Berezin and Savage to the ex-wife list.
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Post by AH on Dec 2, 2002 19:55:02 GMT -5
I have the HAbs payroll in front of me. 48.7 at start of season. With the Hainsey, Garon and Blouin moves, along with not paying Odjick, the payroll is at 46.5. UFA at this season's end: Gilmour: 2.225 Petrov: 1.2 Hackett: 3.6 Lindsay: 700K Odjick: 750K (eventhough we are not paying him). Total Savings after 02-03: 7.725 UFA after next season (salaries are this season's numbers - prolly higher for next season): Perreault: 2.8 Juneau: 2.025 Dackell: 1.2 Chow: 2.6 Mckay: 2.125 Quintal: 2.150 RFA contracts up after next season: Traverse: .850 Total Savings after 03-04: 13.75 Million For the next 2 seasons: 21.5 Million dollars. If we can throw in Audette's contract, you are looking at another $3 million. That's a lot of moolah. In addition, Brisebois no trade clause is up after 03-04. All that flexibility Savard does not have now will certainly be there once the CBA is up. But tell me, who the hell is gonna replace all these guys. Essentially, we will be looking at a completely different team in 2 years. Holy COW !!!!!!!
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Post by MPLABBE on Dec 2, 2002 19:58:06 GMT -5
Prospects, trade pickups, FA signings,etc
I think we will see:
Hainsey Komisarek Hossa Plekanec Balej Higgins MAYBE Milroy
On that 2004-05 team. That's 7 players potentially right there.
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Post by PTH on Dec 2, 2002 22:19:15 GMT -5
Prospects, trade pickups, FA signings,etc I think we will see: Hainsey Komisarek Hossa Plekanec Balej Higgins MAYBE Milroy On that 2004-05 team. That's 7 players potentially right there. Yeah right. AS has yet to give a kid a chance when he could somehow not give him that chance, and you expect to see 7 kids over 2 years ? Half of them won't be NHLers anyhow...
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Post by JohnnyVerdun on Dec 2, 2002 22:54:51 GMT -5
Yeah right. AS has yet to give a kid a chance when he could somehow not give him that chance, and you expect to see 7 kids over 2 years ? Half of them won't be NHLers anyhow... Typical. In fact, more than half of them will be NHLers, as anyone who's seen Komisarek, Hainsey and Hossa play can testify. Those three are for sure. Probably two and possibly three of others will make it also. What the hell's wrong with you? I swear, all you're good for is bringing around your hose of bureaucratic-inspired, nay-saying, depressive drivel. "Can't...won't....it's unlikely....improbable......it's difficult to see.....it's hard to imagine....never....doubtful...I'm doubtful.....". Did you say you work for the provincial government? What a shock!
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Post by PTH on Dec 2, 2002 23:42:04 GMT -5
Typical. In fact, more than half of them will be NHLers, as anyone who's seen Komisarek, Hainsey and Hossa play can testify. Those three are for sure. Probably two and possibly three of others will make it also. What the hell's wrong with you? I swear, all you're good for is bringing around your hose of bureaucratic-inspired, nay-saying, depressive drivel. "Can't...won't....it's unlikely....improbable......it's difficult to see.....it's hard to imagine....never....doubtful...I'm doubtful.....". Did you say you work for the provincial government? What a shock! At one point, Ward, Chouinard, Ribeiro, Ryder, Baumgartner and Buturlin were the names that were being rattled off. Let's keep in mind that these guys are prospects, and we have no idea how many can pan out. I for one will be thrilled if 4 of the 7 guys Marc named turn into anything more than waiver-wire fodder. JV, why the venom on this one ? It's just a numbers game. Only so many make it...
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Post by montreal on Dec 3, 2002 0:22:27 GMT -5
At one point, Ward, Chouinard, Ribeiro, Ryder, Baumgartner and Buturlin were the names that were being rattled off. Let's keep in mind that these guys are prospects, and we have no idea how many can pan out. I for one will be thrilled if 4 of the 7 guys Marc named turn into anything more than waiver-wire fodder. JV, why the venom on this one ? It's just a numbers game. Only so many make it... So because Ward, Chouinard, Ribeiro, Ryder Baumgartner, and Buturlin haven't panned out, then Komisarek, Milroy, Perezhogin, Higgins, Ferland, Plekanec wont either? Your right they are just prospects, no one knows how they will pan out, but just because we drafted poorly those years, doesn't mean we will continue to draft crap. I think out of Hainsey, Komisarek, Hossa are solid prospects and will be in the NHL fulltime before 3 years. Then we have Plekanec, Balej, Milroy, Perezhogin, Ferland, Lambert, Higgins, Shasby, Archer, Puurula, Eneqvist, and out of those having 2 or 3 make it is not out of the question, although the odds are against them. I would say Higgins, Perezhogin, Plekanec, and Balej have serious talent, and 1 or 2 of them should make it, and there's always a darkhorse like Ferland, Korneev, Shasby, Eneqvist, Staal that could step in as well.
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Post by JohnnyVerdun on Dec 3, 2002 18:38:56 GMT -5
At one point, Ward, Chouinard, Ribeiro, Ryder, Baumgartner and Buturlin were the names that were being rattled off. Let's keep in mind that these guys are prospects, and we have no idea how many can pan out. I for one will be thrilled if 4 of the 7 guys Marc named turn into anything more than waiver-wire fodder. JV, why the venom on this one ? It's just a numbers game. Only so many make it.. Why the venom? I'll tell you why the venom. Because you know that at least three, probably four and possibly as many as 5 or more of the seven guys listed will play in the NHL. And if you don't know that, you've reason to believe that it's much more likely than not, and yet you still persist with your fire hose of negative, the glass is half empty bullsh#t. And if you don't know that 4 of those 7 will play in the NHL then you're just willfully blind. I don't knwo which is worse. And no, it's not "just a numbers game". That's true of a whole draft, or of all d-men in a draft, but it's not true of 5 specific individuals. Those 7 were not chosen at random from the last 4 years' drafts. They are in fact the chosen among the chosen..... I just find it irritating that you take every opportunity, no matter how much of a stretch is required, to hose everything down in a steady stream of negativity. If it were compellingly reasoned it might be different, but it's not.....
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Post by legaspesien on Dec 3, 2002 19:07:43 GMT -5
Yeah right. AS has yet to give a kid a chance when he could somehow not give him that chance, and you expect to see 7 kids over 2 years ? Half of them won't be NHLers anyhow... From the 98 draft up to now only Markov (160) is playing on a regular basic
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Post by BadCompany on Dec 3, 2002 19:12:21 GMT -5
JV, why the venom on this one ? It's just a numbers game. Only so many make it... Johnny has anger management issues. Nobody is forcing him to read your posts, anymore than anyone actually believes anything we write here has any relevance whatsoever on the way things will transpire, now or in the future. We are just doing this for fun, and if it ain't fun, then you move along. Lots of other boards where you can spew venom at other posters. Funny how everybody here gets that but Johnny.
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Post by MPLABBE on Dec 3, 2002 19:20:08 GMT -5
From the 98 draft up to now only Markov (160) is playing on a regular basic Worse yet, since the 95 draft Markov is the only playing on a regular basis for us.
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Post by JohnnyVerdun on Dec 3, 2002 19:21:09 GMT -5
Johnny has anger management issues. Nobody is forcing him to read your posts, anymore than anyone actually believes anything we write here has any relevance whatsoever on the way things will transpire, now or in the future. We are just doing this for fun, and if it ain't fun, then you move along. Lots of other boards where you can spew venom at other posters. Funny how everybody here gets that but Johnny. *poof*
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Post by JohnnyVerdun on Dec 3, 2002 19:36:26 GMT -5
I'm sure if you had a magic wand in real life you wouldn't feel the need to use it here. ;D
And by the way, for a moderator, do you think it's appropriate to be doing the theatrical aside thing ("well, about johnny...."), It's really not becoming....
And last, what does this have to do with you anyway? PTH asked a question and I answered it in a civil way. What does it have to do with you? Let me make a suggestion. It's just that you're not prepared to address me personally so have to do it indirectly....Again, dude, it's not very becoming....
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Post by BadCompany on Dec 3, 2002 19:42:24 GMT -5
I'm sure if you had a magic wand in real life you wouldn't feel the need to use it here. ;D And by the way, for a moderator, do you think it's appropriate to be doing the theatrical aside thing ("well, about johnny...."), It's really not becoming.... And last, what does this have to do with you anyway? PTH asked a question and I answered it in a civil way. What does it have to do with you? Let me make a suggestion. It's just that you're not prepared to address me personally so have to do it indirectly....Again, dude, it's not very becoming.... I'm sorry you don't think I am becoming. I will keep that in mind when I am looking for a dance partner at the Town Ball. You did not answer in a civil way. You rarely answer PTH in a civil way. If you answered in a civil way, why did he ask you where all the venom is coming from? He apparently did not think it was civil, and I did not think it was civil, and since I wave the magic wand, I get the final say in things. I apologize then for the gossipy hen-wife response. But you know PTH's stand on things, he knows yours. If you can't play nice with each other, then don't play. The ship we run here is tighter than a Mormon convention, and frankly, I like it that way. I think most others do as well. There are lots of other places with an "edge," and most of them degenerate. Don't want to see that here.
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Post by JohnnyVerdun on Dec 3, 2002 20:00:50 GMT -5
Hey, I've seen you get a bit testy here from time to time, for one thing, and I have as much fun here as the next guy(and sometimes more), so don't go suggestin that all I do is log on here looking for a fight. And in any event, it's not as though people don't raise their voices from time to time. Most of us (PTH included) are big boys and of course there's no risk of someone taking a real shot at somebody's head with a beer bottle. So what's the big deal? In fact, there was no big deal here. PTH asked me why I got agitated and I answered him. And that was the end of it. Until you arrived, still smarting, I assume, from our exchange last week. So as far as I'm concerned this had more to do with you and me than with me and PTH. That's the aspect of your behaviour I thought unbecoming. It's not that you are unbecoming, which is hard to understand because "becoming" is relational in nature..... Your apology for acting like a hen is accepted. Don't do it again.
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Post by BadCompany on Dec 3, 2002 20:08:24 GMT -5
Uh, yeah. I am still "smarting" over our exchange from last week. Haven't been able to sleep since.
Keep the personal attacks out Johnny, that's all I ask. You get away with a lot here, much more than anyone else. Don't abuse it.
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Post by JohnnyVerdun on Dec 3, 2002 20:25:49 GMT -5
Roger that. I suppose the good knews is that we're talking again....
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Post by PTH on Dec 3, 2002 23:54:38 GMT -5
Hey, I've seen you get a bit testy here from time to time, for one thing, and I have as much fun here as the next guy(and sometimes more), so don't go suggestin that all I do is log on here looking for a fight. And in any event, it's not as though people don't raise their voices from time to time. Most of us (PTH included) are big boys and of course there's no risk of someone taking a real shot at somebody's head with a beer bottle. So what's the big deal?.... JV, not everyone can just brush off comments like you seem to. You have to think that people on here often have other parts of their lives that might not be going too well, and want to take their minds off things. A few weeks ago a new poster was mentionning how this place helps him get over a loss of someone very close not long ago. I think a lot of us on here have things we are dealing with, and need a minimum of sanctuary on here. You want to bash my ideas ? Go ahead, I'll even hand you the hammer. Bash me, and that can hurt - even when I know it wasn't intended to.
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