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Post by Viper on Nov 27, 2002 16:13:45 GMT -5
please discuss this interesting blurb www.faceoff.com/nhl/teams/canadiens/news/story.html?f=/news/20021126/459507.html"Players like him have the right to have certain privileges." - Andre Savard on veteran Doug Gilmour, who is the target of daily criticism by fans and the Montreal media, who are demanding that the 39-year-old centre be traded or scratched from the lineup for a few games. This is also an excellent read about THeodore but this pisses me off to say the least if a player is allowed to have " certain proiveledges " WTF there's no I in team I wanna play center I won't be a fourth liner I don't want you on my team then GILMOUR goodbye you are the weakest link.
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Post by 24andcounting on Nov 27, 2002 16:32:48 GMT -5
I respectfully disagree. When Gilmour's at his best, do we have anyone with anywhere his tenacity, grit, and determination? I think not -- the man is a playoff specialist and we'll need that come springtime. He still skates harder and works more than many of our players, namely Perreault. Nobody seems to mind that Perreault coasts and refuses to hit...why is that?
Seems like a double standard to me.
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 27, 2002 16:39:59 GMT -5
Guys, he is Doug freakin Gilmour. Not a current Hab has done as much as he has done in this league. The guy is pretty much a surefire HOFer.
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Post by HFTO on Nov 27, 2002 17:04:54 GMT -5
All teams have players who are given certain privileges and I really don't think Gilmour is whining when he says he wats to play centre.He knows his game and its obvious he is much more effective at centre.I still think Gilmor is still better served on this team in an offensive role.Last year with Zednik and Petrov they were the toast of the town. I still think you let Gilmour play with Chow to see if you can get him going.Gilmour is a great passer and Chow simply when he is playing is not shooting the puck. HFTO
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Post by JohnnyVerdun on Nov 27, 2002 18:06:37 GMT -5
Doug Gilmour has had a Hall of Fame career, but he had it elsewhere. It's not as though he bled for the Habs for 20 seasons and now isn't being given his due. He came here because he had a point to prove after the Buffalo stint, and he proved his point. He was great down the stretch last year, no question, and he provided a lot of leadership in Koivu's absence, but that's all in the past. He is not recovering from an injury. He had a full training camp. He centered the 2nd line for the first 6 or 8 games of the season and they stunk. This team needs a real contribution from him now, otherwise there won't be a post-season for him (as a Hab) or for the team. He has not played well and one of two things needs to happen: either he starts to produce now, at LW and on the pp when he gets the chance, or he goes to the 4th line. There's actually a third option, which involves moving Juneau to LW and Gilmour centering that line, but Juneau is the glue that is keeping our forward lines from being a complete shambles and I wouldn't move him.
The "prvileges" that Gilmour has as a future HOF resident only extend so far. We waited (more or less) patiently for 30 games last year while he got up to speed. There's no basis for being so patient this year. None at all. If his production doesn't increase I'd tell him "it's the fourth or the door, Dougie". And for those who don't think that he's presenting a problem at this point, and a distraction in the room, he's gone on record as saying the LW gig is only temporary....So, do you expect him to bite his lip and play wherever his current abilities suggest he should be playing? Doubtful.
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Post by MooseHead on Nov 27, 2002 19:16:32 GMT -5
Doug Gilmour has had a Hall of Fame career, but he had it elsewhere. It's not as though he bled for the Habs for 20 seasons and now isn't being given his due. He came here because he had a point to prove after the Buffalo stint, and he proved his point. He was great down the stretch last year, no question, and he provided a lot of leadership in Koivu's absence, but that's all in the past. He is not recovering from an injury. He had a full training camp. He centered the 2nd line for the first 6 or 8 games of the season and they stunk. This team needs a real contribution from him now, otherwise there won't be a post-season for him (as a Hab) or for the team. He has not played well and one of two things needs to happen: either he starts to produce now, at LW and on the pp when he gets the chance, or he goes to the 4th line. There's actually a third option, which involves moving Juneau to LW and Gilmour centering that line, but Juneau is the glue that is keeping our forward lines from being a complete shambles and I wouldn't move him. The "prvileges" that Gilmour has as a future HOF resident only extend so far. We waited (more or less) patiently for 30 games last year while he got up to speed. There's no basis for being so patient this year. None at all. If his production doesn't increase I'd tell him "it's the fourth or the door, Dougie". And for those who don't think that he's presenting a problem at this point, and a distraction in the room, he's gone on record as saying the LW gig is only temporary....So, do you expect him to bite his lip and play wherever his current abilities suggest he should be playing? Doubtful. Hi Reader, I'm new. Sit back and let me entertain you! Priviledges don't make a player, let him lead and he'll do better. If Gilmour hadn't made that beautiful pass, Perrault wouldn't have a goal to save his a$$. You, dear Reader, let me assure, The player come showtime is Gilmour. A competitor like no other, Have faith in the guy named Killer. If your beer is full and you want to chug, Don't forget to cheer for Doug! First let's look at those who don't sweat, One example, well, his name is Audette. Okay, okay, I hope I'm not labeled as a fool, but I couldn't resist. Long time reader, first time poster. Great board. I think Gilmour has done great. He did have a slow start, but he has picked up his game and is creating lots of chances by his beautiful passing, something the Canadiens sorely lack on some nights. I have no complaints regarding Killer as I hope he doesn't complain about the wing job. I think there should be serious pressure on Czerkawski, Audette and Petrov, along with some others. The schedule is getting very tough (@bos, PHI, @dal, @col) so they better hope Gilmour can keep digging in the corners against big teams. I'm actually hoping for a breakout by Theodore. If not, Hackett is there THANK THE GHOSTS!! ;D TEXT
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 27, 2002 19:26:55 GMT -5
Hey welcome aboard...are you the moosehead who was at fanhome?
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Post by MooseHead on Nov 27, 2002 19:45:10 GMT -5
Hey welcome aboard...are you the moosehead who was at fanhome? Sorry I can't help you there Marc. However, I am an avid drinker of Moosehead.
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 27, 2002 19:47:42 GMT -5
Sorry I can't help you there Marc. However, I am an avid drinker of Moosehead. No problem. There was a posted over there named Moosehead and he has dissapeared recently...I thought it could be you.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 27, 2002 20:59:10 GMT -5
Sorry I can't help you there Marc. However, I am an avid drinker of Moosehead. Did someone mention beer? As Marc said, welcome aboard. I've been drinking Moosehead lager for, well, years now. Can't say I'm too fussy about the ale; last time I drank too much Moosehead ale I swear I woke up with antlers. In my opinion, there's Moosehead lager and then other beers. I'll go to the old reliable Molson Canadian if I have to, but it's Moosehead all the way. I'm a Gilmour supporter. As you've probably noticed there's no middle of the road with this guy as far as supporters go; you either love him or hate him. Oh well ... As one of the moderators, I'd like to ask you to please read the Code of Conduct post that can be seen at the top of the board. Hope to read a lot more of your opinions as the season goes on, Moosehead. Cheers.
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Post by UberCranky on Nov 27, 2002 21:35:26 GMT -5
Doug Gilmour has had a Hall of Fame career, but he had it elsewhere. It's not as though he bled for the Habs for 20 seasons and now isn't being given his due. He came here because he had a point to prove after the Buffalo stint, and he proved his point. He was great down the stretch last year, no question, and he provided a lot of leadership in Koivu's absence, but that's all in the past. He is not recovering from an injury. He had a full training camp. He centered the 2nd line for the first 6 or 8 games of the season and they stunk. This team needs a real contribution from him now, otherwise there won't be a post-season for him (as a Hab) or for the team. He has not played well and one of two things needs to happen: either he starts to produce now, at LW and on the pp when he gets the chance, or he goes to the 4th line. There's actually a third option, which involves moving Juneau to LW and Gilmour centering that line, but Juneau is the glue that is keeping our forward lines from being a complete shambles and I wouldn't move him. The "prvileges" that Gilmour has as a future HOF resident only extend so far. We waited (more or less) patiently for 30 games last year while he got up to speed. There's no basis for being so patient this year. None at all. If his production doesn't increase I'd tell him "it's the fourth or the door, Dougie". And for those who don't think that he's presenting a problem at this point, and a distraction in the room, he's gone on record as saying the LW gig is only temporary....So, do you expect him to bite his lip and play wherever his current abilities suggest he should be playing? Doubtful. Right on. You are getting paid to produce. You haven't done anything special for me so why do you want to be treated special? Mr. Lemeaux can be excused because he has a bad back but why should Gilmour? How has he benefited the club or done anything above and beyond the call of his well paid duty? So what will happen if he is pissed off and not produce? Quit? Whoppee................
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Post by Viper on Nov 27, 2002 21:40:53 GMT -5
Sorry I can't help you there Marc. However, I am an avid drinker of Moosehead. Moosehead drinker's are more than welcome here. Especially moosehead drinker's from the coast where moosehead dry is available. Cheer's mate. Viper.
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Post by The New Guy on Nov 27, 2002 23:09:40 GMT -5
I think the meaning behind Savard's statement is not that Gilmour lives by a double standard because of what he's done in the NHL over his illustrious career, but because of the type of player he is.
We're talking about a guy who was the soul of this team (Theo was the Hart ehhemm... Heart) for January through April of this year. We're talking about one of the few guys we have that plays a physical, gritty game. We're talking about a guy who sticks up for his teammates, and who plays a leadership role in the locaker room.
Doug Gilmour obviously lives by a double standard. Any other player with his contract playing the type of game he's playing woud probably not be getting a whole hell of a lot of ice time. But when it counts (see our first game against Carolina this year) and when the chips are down, Doug's alive and awake.
He's just saving himself for January. He's always been a late season producer, a guy who works best when the going gets tough. Let him bide his time now si he has gas left in the tank for the playoffs.
Or at least, I'd bet that's what's going through Savard's mind. Who knows. Maybe last year was the last hurrah for a truly great player. I guess we'll know come April.
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