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Post by UberCranky on Nov 24, 2002 14:22:33 GMT -5
I have maintained that Therrien is an incompetent coach. The latest game reinforced my opinion and here is my proof as to why he is incompetent.
1. He starts Theo even though he is recovering from a hip flexor muscle. Goalies need their mobility more then any other player on the ice and any nagging injury could mean that extra tenth of a second that will ruin their timing.
2. Ribiero is incompetent defensively but he is placed on the point at one of the most critical junctures in the game. Subsequently he makes a mistake and the game takes an even deeper course for the worst.
3. He keeps players in the press box who are more suitable for this game. Namely Kilger.and Cherkawski. He gives playing time to McKay who has shown NOTHING all season long. He plays favorites with who plays and who does not. This sounds like he is rewarding hard work but the uneven application of this type of “coaching” will deteriorate the players attitude who are affected by this. At this point, Lindsay, Kilger, Cherkowski and Hainsey must feel totally “picked” on for their performance while players with much worse players are kept on.
4. He does not maintain his composure and his emotional side has cost the team. This was apparent yet once again when he negated a great opportunity by taking a bench minor. This time it only cost the momentum of one game instead of a play off series.
5. He did not and never does take measures to change or dampen the momentum of the other team.
He can change the goaltender and after a few minutes he can change him back. He can call time outs. He can have his goaltender have “equipment” problems. Something as simple as tying a shoe lace. He can send his goon out there to start a fight. He can instruct any of his players to start a fight. He can ask for a referees explanation of a call.
6. He kept a goaltender in well after the game was out of hand. He sees this as “punishing” the offending party. This shows total disregard for a goaltenders confidence and what this may do to it.
7. The penalty killing unit is the worse in the league and he has shown no ability to correct that fault even though we are already past the quarter mark of this season.
8. His constant line juggling and favoritism shows in the disorganized play of his players. Very few goals have come out of organized play. Most have come from very hard work on the boards and the opportunites that arise from that.
9. Total dependence of “hard work and emotion” versus any system was evident last night. As long as the team outworks the other team the have a “hope” of winning. If the opposition works just as hard then the team shows all it’s flaws and the absence of any organization, any “system” the players can fall back on is glaringly apparent. Further proof is the way this team has lost in 7 out of 21 loses, ONE THIRD of the games they played. Under no circumstances do team with discipline lose in this manner. NEVER. And to lose 7 games in this manner?
10. Several players have taken a huge step back in their play. The fact that they are still the seven players that started 21 games ago shows a total lack of ability to work through the problems of his players. It doe not take this many games to help a player out. Further, if the player still can not play better then he did from the start of the season then they need to be taken out of the line up. Without any favoritism shown.
11. His fear of losing is so great that it affects his judgment to play any rookies. He knows that he has only one chance to coach in the big leagues and the only reason he was not fired last season is because he made the playoffs and the team won one round. Further, he is fully aware that it was Theo’s outstanding season and Koivu’s return that fueled the success. The potential of being fired serves as a mental block to any risk taking. This speaks volumes of his confidence of his abilities which in turn speak volumes of his competence.
One could drag out many, many more examples during every single game but at some point it becomes futile to write about it and the point is rapidly approaching. The repetition of the charges of incompetence against Therrien are starting to become nauseating.
The bottom line is that Therrien has not shown any signs of improving and his incompetence rests squarely on Andre Savards lap. Very soon, we will start to wonder about Savards competence..
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 24, 2002 14:45:46 GMT -5
Is that the Sunday rant?
I am always the first to bash MT but I wouldn't blame him for the PK and the whole forwards mess.
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Post by UberCranky on Nov 24, 2002 15:56:17 GMT -5
Does anyone know where Savard can get the Quebec White Pages?
It is very important.
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Post by PTH on Nov 24, 2002 16:18:02 GMT -5
The bottom line is that Therrien has not shown any signs of improving and his incompetence rests squarely on Andre Savards lap. Very soon, we will start to wonder about Savards competence.. Start ? I started at the draft, if not sooner. I think I started to seriously doubt AS at the Dyment trade. I think too mnay were blinded by AS's relative competence compared to Houle - especially a lot of the younger fans who don't have much perspective over how things develop over time. Being terrifically better than Houle doesn't make AS anything special... I've come to the conclusion that AS is basically a hockey man doing a hockey man's job - only he's not the right kind of hockey man. He's a scout / assistant coach doing a GM's job - doing it better than a beer salesman, but still just an assistant coach...
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Post by PTH on Nov 24, 2002 16:21:09 GMT -5
Does anyone know where Savard can get the Quebec White Pages? It is very important. Probably in the kitchen cabinet. If not, he can borrow mine. Why ?
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 24, 2002 16:46:10 GMT -5
Does anyone know where Savard can get the Quebec White Pages? It is very important. for??
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Post by UberCranky on Nov 24, 2002 16:52:12 GMT -5
Probably in the kitchen cabinet. If not, he can borrow mine. Why ? So the Hab's can find their next coach.......................
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 24, 2002 16:55:52 GMT -5
ah I see...... ;D
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Post by Viper on Nov 24, 2002 17:49:44 GMT -5
Chime Chime Chime. I'm In Theodore Back to back nighgts to open the season Traverse in the last minute thirty of a one goal game while Markov the 5th leading scorer among defensemen sits. Traverse on the powerplay. Juneau on the point for the powerplay. System as already mentioned has been absent from the very beginning of his tenure. The faceoff debacle in last year's playoff. The only time the team ever plays as a unit for 60 minutes is after AS is forced to enter the room. I made this post right after the devils game the day of AS's tongue lashing. habsrus.proboards4.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&n=1&thread=4909It's interesting to note the team played significantly better after someone with some authority kicks their respective Behinds. I'll just take this as another knock on Therrien unless the troops continue to perform. If they don't it's more than clear to me that they are totally tuning out the coach and something needs to be done. (anyone got a spare hollow log someplace ) Sure enough the team is right back where it was the night before that Authoratative figure has been away for just a week. [shadow=red,left,300]FIRE THERRIEN !!!![/shadow]CHIME CHIME CHIME I'M OUT.
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Post by seventeen on Nov 24, 2002 18:22:01 GMT -5
Is that the Sunday rant? I am always the first to bash MT but I wouldn't blame him for the PK and the whole forwards mess. And why not Marc? Besides the very obvious reason that he's in charge (or so we are led to believe), there is the fact that the PK is usually good when you have good goaltending (and he keeps sitting Hackett in favour of Theo. I won't criticize him for the fact he has 3 yokels on defense that he has to use, sometimes even on the PK, but to use Czerkawski?, that Selke trophy candidate? It's his responsibility. If his assistants aren't doing the job, he has to correct that. The joys of being a manager.
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Post by montreal on Nov 24, 2002 18:40:37 GMT -5
And why not Marc? Besides the very obvious reason that he's in charge (or so we are led to believe), there is the fact that the PK is usually good when you have good goaltending (and he keeps sitting Hackett in favour of Theo. I won't criticize him for the fact he has 3 yokels on defense that he has to use, sometimes even on the PK, but to use Czerkawski?, that Selke trophy candidate? It's his responsibility. If his assistants aren't doing the job, he has to correct that. The joys of being a manager. So why is Therrien getting all the heat? Where's the rants about Charron and his PK (thats his job, and he should be embarassed). Where's the rants about Rick Green and our defence? (he should be embarrassed as well). Where's the rants about Rollie the goalie? He got credit for Theodore last year, so why not blame him for Theo's bad play? Nah it's just easier to say fire Therrien, or fire Savard, then what? We will still suck.
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Post by UberCranky on Nov 24, 2002 18:56:16 GMT -5
So why is Therrien getting all the heat? Where's the rants about Charron and his PK (thats his job, and he should be embarassed). Where's the rants about Rick Green and our defence? (he should be embarrassed as well). Where's the rants about Rollie the goalie? He got credit for Theodore last year, so why not blame him for Theo's bad play? Nah it's just easier to say fire Therrien, or fire Savard, then what? We will still suck. The fastest and easiest thing to do is fire Therrien. He is a coach who is running on emotion and he is not competent on tactics or implementing the discipline of a system. You can not fire the whole team but you can change everything with a new coach. Witness what Lemaire can do with half the budget and 1/3 of the talent. What has Ftorek done? His goaltending is worse then ours and his defense no better yet he has his team on top. Witness the Canes. Their defense is and goaltending is much worse then ours on paper and yet they made the Hab's look like the pond hockey team they are. I can do more "witnessing" but I need to go back to that program one day after the "incident". Did you every get the feeling that this forum is hard core? Most of us don’t just dislike Therrien, we want to lynch him. We just have not found a suitable banana tree. Hmm, do you think it will take to long to grow a banana tree? I’m sure they would never find a yellow banana with hair in a banana tree.
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Post by montreal on Nov 24, 2002 19:12:28 GMT -5
The fastest and easiest thing to do is fire Therrien. He is a coach who is running on emotion and he is not competent on tactics or implementing the discipline of a system. You can not fire the whole team but you can change everything with a new coach. Witness what Lemaire can do with half the budget and 1/3 of the talent. What has Ftorek done? His goaltending is worse then ours and his defense no better yet he has his team on top. Witness the Canes. Their defense is and goaltending is much worse then ours on paper and yet they made the Hab's look like the pond hockey team they are. I can do more "witnessing" but I need to go back to that program one day after the "incident". Did you every get the feeling that this forum is hard core? Most of us don’t just dislike Therrien, we want to lynch him. We just have not found a suitable banana tree. Hmm, do you think it will take to long to grow a banana tree? I’m sure they would never find a yellow banana with hair in a banana tree. Ok great, fire Therrien, and replace him with??? Cause there's not too many guys I can think of that can do much better. If Therrien gets fired, then they should all go. Rick Green, Guy Charron, Clemnt Jodin, Rollie the goalie. Fire them all and start fresh. If Therrien's to blame, I just don't see how Rick Green or Charron or Melanson can avoid everyones rants. They are responisble, they aren't getting it done, so why are they not held just as accountable? I thought our offence was doing very good last night. But our PK, defence and goalie were horrid. I just don't see how Therrien should be hung from the rafters, but the guy in charge of the worst PK in the league, the guy in charge of the 4th worst defence, and the guy who's in charge of the goalie with a 3.5gaa, are ok to keep. If you fire Therrein, what do you expect to happen with Green, Charron, and Melanson still around. Will all the sudden, Gilmor find his legs, McKay scoring like his old NJ days, Chow and Audette all the sudden become the 30 goal scorers of the past. Perreault plays selke like defence in his own end. Petrov puts fear into the eyes of every defencemen/goalie in the league with his blistering slapshot/backhander/spinorama. Traverse goes on roids and starts bench pressing 300lbs. Quintal gets faster. Dykhuis gets smarter. Theodore just stops the puck with his good looks. Kilger remembers he's supossed to hit everything. Bloin becomes a PF. Ribeiro gets the cement out of his skates.
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 24, 2002 19:48:03 GMT -5
And why not Marc? Besides the very obvious reason that he's in charge (or so we are led to believe), there is the fact that the PK is usually good when you have good goaltending (and he keeps sitting Hackett in favour of Theo. I won't criticize him for the fact he has 3 yokels on defense that he has to use, sometimes even on the PK, but to use Czerkawski?, that Selke trophy candidate? It's his responsibility. If his assistants aren't doing the job, he has to correct that. The joys of being a manager. So by that logic, the success on the PK last year was because of MT? Carbonneau had a strategy and it worked. Charron comes in, decides to go with an aggressive kind of PK, it was horrible and now they have no idea what to do because Carbo isn't there to get them back on track. This team has good PKers up front...Juneau, Dackell, Bulis, Kilger, McKay...koivu and Zed are not too shabby at it either. The defence is the same as they had for most of last year's PK's(Rivet and Quintal...Brisebois and Dykhuis...)...so why going from a great PK to downright horrible? don't say goaltending because they have been bad with Hack in goal as well
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Post by Habsolutely on Nov 24, 2002 20:18:17 GMT -5
Start ? I started at the draft, if not sooner. I think I started to seriously doubt AS at the Dyment trade. I think too mnay were blinded by AS's relative competence compared to Houle - especially a lot of the younger fans who don't have much perspective over how things develop over time. Being terrifically better than Houle doesn't make AS anything special... I've come to the conclusion that AS is basically a hockey man doing a hockey man's job - only he's not the right kind of hockey man. He's a scout / assistant coach doing a GM's job - doing it better than a beer salesman, but still just an assistant coach... Chris Dyment.. Have you seen him play ? André Savard is great.. he just needs time to re-build a team who was supposed to be horrible for years.. I think the problem belongs to our lack of talent a little everywhere and our head coach. However, it takes time to build a talented team in every aspect of the game.. especially for a team who couldn't draft well and was always trading top talent for not much in return. We can see more talent coming off.. and with Savard's picks.. it will be even better.. Players like Zednik, Bulis, Audette, Kilger, Czerkawski etc.. were gotten for not much in return... which is great considering how tough it is now to get good players. Yeah, our team had some downs this year and the horrible loss against the Hurricanes is another tough one to swallow. However, our team is one game above ,500. Three years ago, we would have been 4-10-2 with the playoffs chances already gone. Savard is the right man for the job and he'll prove it.. once Komisarek, Hainsey and Hossa show their talent, and it won't take long, we will see a big difference... and after, it is gonna be all Savard's picks who'll make the difference.
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Post by PTH on Nov 24, 2002 21:16:16 GMT -5
Chris Dyment.. Have you seen him play ? No, so what ? At that point you could already see that AS was overstocking this team with contracts. Well, why has he made so few "great" moves then ? Why is he stuck with a small, old overpaid roster ? Who cares how well you draft, when you don't give kids a chance in any case ? No one is blasting the lack of a Forsberg on this team, but when you see overpaid veterans like Czerkawski brought in to predictably sit on the sidelines, you gotta wonder. The only AS pick to play in the NHL with us that I know of is Jarventie, who's gone back to Europe. Not much to write home about... Zednik and Bulis were acquired for 2 high-level assets, Zubrus and Linden, so it's not like AS got them for cheap. It might be a good move though, but still looks like his only good one to date. Audette ? I wouldn't call a small, selfish, defensively awful and injury-prone guy with his numbers a good player. He cleared waivers man, he's worth less than nothing, he has negative value at this point. Kilger might be good, but AS has so overstocked the roster that Chad barely gets any icetime. Czerkawski is a healthy scratch, can't say that was a brilliant acquisition either... If you had a legitimate rebuild under way, I think people could take it. Supreme irony, 2 of those 3 were acquired by Houle, not AS.
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Post by Habsolutely on Nov 24, 2002 21:32:42 GMT -5
No, so what ? At that point you could already see that AS was overstocking this team with contracts. Well, why has he made so few "great" moves then ? Why is he stuck with a small, old overpaid roster ? Who cares how well you draft, when you don't give kids a chance in any case ? No one is blasting the lack of a Forsberg on this team, but when you see overpaid veterans like Czerkawski brought in to predictably sit on the sidelines, you gotta wonder. The only AS pick to play in the NHL with us that I know of is Jarventie, who's gone back to Europe. Not much to write home about... Zednik and Bulis were acquired for 2 high-level assets, Zubrus and Linden, so it's not like AS got them for cheap. It might be a good move though, but still looks like his only good one to date. Audette ? I wouldn't call a small, selfish, defensively awful and injury-prone guy with his numbers a good player. He cleared waivers man, he's worth less than nothing, he has negative value at this point. Kilger might be good, but AS has so overstocked the roster that Chad barely gets any icetime. Czerkawski is a healthy scratch, can't say that was a brilliant acquisition either... If you had a legitimate rebuild under way, I think people could take it. Supreme irony, 2 of those 3 were acquired by Houle, not AS. It's very easy to criticize.. it's too easy. Well, you haven't seen Chrys Dyment, you can't judge if it was a good decision or not. But in my opinion, if Dyment was anything good, no way Savard would have chipped him out like this. It's again most of the Habs fans who thought bigger than what really Dyment is. He's stuck with a small and soft team because this is what he has been getting when he arrived as the GM. He didn't have the luxury of having Bobby Holik and Jason Arnott as his 2 best centers. Teams with big, tall and talented guys won't trade them again like that. Bertuzzi, Thornton, Lecavalier and others won't be traded until they reach free agency. As for not caring of his drafts, big mistake.. this is what makes a GM.. along with all his associates. Just look at Komisarek.. if this guy has the career that many experts precited him to have.. then Savard will definitly look like a genius. Good, smart and sometimes lucky decision (s) can lead ya very far. As for not giving the kids a chance to play.. well Markov and Theodore might not agree with it.. both players were destined to have great careers and they are leading the pack. The fact that we couldn't draft great talent (Hossa and Gagne come to mind) in the past can explain why kids don't earn a spot very often in our lineup. Just look at Hainsey and Komisarek in the near future, like Markov, it won't take too long for them to be a regular and dominant Hab. Because they are TRUE talents.. not like Chouinard or Ribeiro. A GM needs at least 3 years of work to really be able to judge how he does.. Savard has been hired just 2 years ago.. can we give him a little more time to judge his draft choices ? Zednik and Bulis acquired for 2 high level assets.. I beg to differ. Zubrus was maybe the guy with some value.. but they struggle so bad out here.. and with Linden's salary, it was almost a gift from god to get Bulis.. let alone Richard "coeur de lion" Zednik. When I see Zeddy play, I see a true Hab.. priceless. We robbed Washington big time.. I'm sure now.. they would really love to see Zednik playing along side Jaromir Jagr.... You can't blame Savard for trying to make this team better. When you have a chance to get Chow for Asham.. you have to do it.. because you get the better player. When you have a chance to get Audette (who was great last season) and Van Allen for Rucinsky and Brunet, you do it, because you get the better player. That's the way it has to be.. Especially when you trade struggling and overrated players for it. When Hossa will show that he's ready for primetime.. then Audette, Petrov or what ever will be gone.. but now, Savard, a great judge of talent, thinks that he isn't ready yet.. so I'll believe the true expert. As for Houle drafting Hainsey and Hossa, that's great.. and it will definitly pay off for our team.. however, it looks like with just one draft (2001), Savard already does better than what Houle did during his whole reign as the GM...
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 24, 2002 21:36:16 GMT -5
Chris Dyment.. Have you seen him play ? André Savard is great.. he just needs time to re-build a team who was supposed to be horrible for years.. I think the problem belongs to our lack of talent a little everywhere and our head coach. However, it takes time to build a talented team in every aspect of the game.. especially for a team who couldn't draft well and was always trading top talent for not much in return. We can see more talent coming off.. and with Savard's picks.. it will be even better.. Players like Zednik, Bulis, Audette, Kilger, Czerkawski etc.. were gotten for not much in return... which is great considering how tough it is now to get good players. Yeah, our team had some downs this year and the horrible loss against the Hurricanes is another tough one to swallow. However, our team is one game above ,500. Three years ago, we would have been 4-10-2 with the playoffs chances already gone. Savard is the right man for the job and he'll prove it.. once Komisarek, Hainsey and Hossa show their talent, and it won't take long, we will see a big difference... and after, it is gonna be all Savard's picks who'll make the difference. I agree...expect Hainsey and Hossa were Houle picks Like you said...AS got a lot of players for nothing...but right now, alot of those players(Kilger and Chow right now) don't fit into the plan because we have too many similar players. Why do we have this problem? probably because Savard thought this team was still very fragile injury wise and decided it was best to stockpile depth. But the plan has kind of backfired, everyone is healthy so that means too many players which means too many unhappy players. Plus like viper has said...many of you guys have never gone this long between stanley cups...impatience is starting to show..
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 24, 2002 21:38:59 GMT -5
It's very easy to criticize.. it's too easy. Zednik and Bulis acquired for 2 high level assets.. I beg to differ. Zubrus was maybe the guy with some value.. but they struggle so bad out here.. and with Linden's salary, it was almost a gift from god to get Bulis.. let alone Richard "coeur de lion" Zednik. When I see Zeddy play, I see a true Hab.. priceless. We robbed Washington big time.. I'm sure now.. they would really love to see Zednik playing along side Jaromir Jagr.... That was obviously his best deal. You have to keep in mind Linden was not the great asset PTH makes him out to be but an overpaid, declining 3rd line center with 2 years and half left on a huge deal. To get Bulis for him and get a 1st for a 2nd was incredible. Zednik for Zubrus...simply great deal.
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Post by Viper on Nov 24, 2002 22:03:05 GMT -5
You can't blame Savard for trying to make this team better. When you have a chance to get Chow for Asham.. you have to do it.. because you get the better player. When you have a chance to get Audette (who was great last season) and Van Allen for Rucinsky and Brunet, you do it, because you get the better player. That's the way it has to be.. Especially when you trade struggling and overrated players for it. When Hossa will show that he's ready for primetime.. then Audette, Petrov or what ever will be gone.. but now, Savard, a great judge of talent, thinks that he isn't ready yet.. so I'll believe the true expert. As for Houle drafting Hainsey and Hossa, that's great.. and it will definitly pay off for our team.. however, it looks like with just one draft (2001), Savard already does better than what Houle did during his whole reign as the GM... how is overloading the right side with soft one dimensional player's a good thing chow for Asham so what if we apparently got the better player when he sits on the bench half the time because of the log jam of similar player's Audette and Vanallen for Rucinsky and Brunet. we got the better player ? it depends on what you mean by better because between Audette and Rustinky it's pretty much a wash niether are any good defensively and Audette is another guy who's been rotated out of the lineup because he's a small one dimensional forward like petrov and Chow. If you're going to improve the hockey club by moving Asham's and Rucinskies it doesn't take a genius to realize you don't acquire a bunch of stuff that already exist's on your team but fill holes and gaps that need filling. by making moves for a bunch of player's who all do the same thing he's created an even bigger monster.
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 24, 2002 22:07:36 GMT -5
In all fairness, I think AS wanted to go the 3 offensive line/1 defensive line mode we talked about during the summer. That's why he picked up Czerkawski, another RWer. That's why he re-signed Gilmour, another center.
The plan worked for 1 game and 1 period...then we got crushed by Buffalo in the last 2 periods and the big bad Flyers and it was back to the drawing board...
But now, guys like Chow and Gilmour are not happy because we only have 2 offensive lines and they have to play out of position.
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Post by UberCranky on Nov 24, 2002 22:15:32 GMT -5
In all fairness, I think AS wanted to go the 3 offensive line/1 defensive line mode we talked about during the summer. That's why he picked up Czerkawski, another RWer. That's why he re-signed Gilmour, another center. The plan worked for 1 game and 1 period...then we got crushed by Buffalo in the last 2 periods and the big bad Flyers and it was back to the drawing board... But now, guys like Chow and Gilmour are not happy because we only have 2 offensive lines and they have to play out of position. Silly question Marc. Why was is it so apparent to members of this forum but yet escaped Therrien and Savard? Do you remember HabWests criticism? Jv's? Mine? Most people who were not convinced? Why is it that we are not surprised? More likely, they knew all along that this will not work. Why do I think that it was smoke and mirrors for the common fan but it could not fool the hard core types who know better?
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Post by Viper on Nov 24, 2002 22:15:53 GMT -5
what else did one expect to happen when there's nobody to play the left side no size up the middle and three right winger's who have rarely seen the defensive side of their own blueline.
AS get's way to much credit IMO. he is up on the huge pedastal because he followed a beer salesman in Houle. Look seriously at the product on the ice today and remember most of it is his doing. We could be developing Ward on the right side this year who is much better defensively and uses his size way more than the acquired Cerkawski. We could be using alot more youngster's properly this year and IMO we should be considering the farm team is split and our prospect's are scattered half way across the planet for lack of space. Guys like Hossa and Ward should be here.
The Fire Therrien and Green campaign could get a new member if AS doesn't at least show some signs of correcting the mess he has created. The bottom line is something needs to be done it's blatently obvious this year that we cannot hide behind a goalie (my wish is coming true you see)
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Post by seventeen on Nov 24, 2002 22:19:22 GMT -5
In all fairness, I think AS wanted to go the 3 offensive line/1 defensive line mode we talked about during the summer. The plan worked for 1 game and 1 period...then we got crushed by Buffalo in the last 2 periods and the big bad Flyers and it was back to the drawing board... I'm not sure that's exactly the reason, Marc, but if it was, it was one hell of a gamble. Three offensive lines? and one checking line? I truly enjoyed Habwest describing it as the Hi Ho Silver approach. You don't want to go down the road with that argument, because it's only going to make AS look even sillier. Nope, I suspect AS just likes picking up assets, even if they are incompatible species. (That remark is for the serious Gary Larson fans who will remember that phrase in an 'alien' caption.)
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 24, 2002 22:23:58 GMT -5
Either that or he was planning for major injuries or something. I think PTH said it the other day..Savard suffers from ''assetisitis''...he is too scared to lose an asset(has he ever made a 2 for 1 or 3 for 1 deal?) and when he has the chance to get one for nothing or not much, he goes for it--even though the player may not fit the plan(like Chow). BC what do you think of all this?
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Post by BadCompany on Nov 24, 2002 22:24:48 GMT -5
(That remark is for the serious Gary Larson fans who will remember that phrase in an 'alien' caption.) "Misunderstanding his employee's screams of 'Simmons has lost his marbles!' Mr. Fitzpatrick bursts from his office for the last time..." Gary Larson rocks. Sad, sad day for the funny pages when he retired...
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Post by PTH on Nov 24, 2002 22:33:41 GMT -5
It's very easy to criticize.. it's too easy. Well, AS makes it very, very easy. You ever heard of Mike Grier and Brent Johnson ? Both were Av draft picks, yet they got dealt for spare parts before they had any real value. Dealing away a kid who seems to be doing OK is a losing proposition. In this case AS had to since he was perilously close to the 50 contract limit, but that's his own fault. Audette, Czerkawski, Bulis, Dackell, Perreault, Juneau, Petrov, Traverse..... all soft. Only 1 was there when AS took over, and he's the least soft of the bunch, IMO. I like some one of them, but when a GM gets the lot of them, don't say that it's not his fault we have a soft team. Komi was a 7th overall pick, he better look like a decent prospect !!! For the rest, AS's draft prowess is just theory, let's see results before we go on and on about the future we have. And what hoops did they have to go through ? Markov seemed to need to go through hell and back, and had a Robidas playing his wrong side and struggling playing ahead of him, and Théodore only got chances when Hack was out. OK, so we have no young superstars, so what ? I'm not asking for a top-line 50 goal scorer, we know he's not there. But would this be a worse team with Asham, Ward or Descoteaux getting some role player type ice time ? Anyhow, regardless of how the kids do, the NHLers ahead of them are so numerous and signed to garanteed 1-way contracts, it's basically impossible for them to hope to make the team. Ribeiro only made it because he'd have to be on waivers to go back to the minors... A director of player personnel has to be rated on his drafts, a GM has to be judged on how he runs the team, and AS has run it poorly.
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Post by seventeen on Nov 24, 2002 22:34:14 GMT -5
The Marble factory, yup, I remember that one. I think my favourite (well at least in the top 10) has to be the devils, hanging around the office desk, while various souls burn in the background, chuckling as they read from the 'suggestion box'.
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Post by PTH on Nov 24, 2002 22:34:15 GMT -5
Houle got Linden for a 1st, AS got a 1st in a trade for him, and then WAS got a 1st for him, I think it's fair to say Linden's value was a 1st, which to me means he has value. Zubrus is still filled with potential and basically got a PPG at the end of last season, so while I like this trade now, let's wait and see before we call this a clear win.
Why ? You're trying to build a team here, and a team doesn't need 3 small non-physical offensive RW's, especially when you have a Dackell to play the defensive role.
Audette barely played last season, don't judge him by a handful of games played with adrenaline pumping him up. Judge him more on the 20 games we've had this year. From the Rosie-Audie trade, only Audie still is under contract, and I think we're the losers, we're committed to this unidimensionnal player who can't play defense (ask Hitch...) for almost 9 more million.
Garanteed contracts, the guys don't leave when you ask them to. Hossa could burn up the AHL, we wouldn't be able to play him.
That's what ticks me off.
This team has too many Audette's and Dykhuis's, and not enough Lindsay's and Bouillon's - decent players who can fill in but who can be moved aside when the time comes.
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 24, 2002 22:37:38 GMT -5
Well, AS makes it very, very easy. You ever heard of Mike Grier and Brent Johnson ? Both were Av draft picks, yet they got dealt for spare parts before they had any real value. Dealing away a kid who seems to be doing OK is a losing proposition. In this case AS had to since he was perilously close to the 50 contract limit, but that's his own fault. Grier was a Blues draft pick: www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php3?pid%5B%5D=22502and wasn't Grier involved in the Cujo deal? what did they get in return(the Blues?)
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