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Post by legaspesien on Nov 21, 2002 20:03:26 GMT -5
Assumming that our 1st line is set with Koivu,Audette&Zednik that #3 is also set with Juneau,Dackell& Bulis Ribiero will increase his ice time with his production...who will lose that time if the kid push...on the second line with his production from the begening and his use on the face off it 's hard to belive that Perreault will go on 4th line playing 4 to 7 min per game(he doesn't deserve it)...that live us with the Gilmour chair or the Petov chair...and not forgetting that Chow is in the stands waiting...we have to concede the bangging to Kilger and McKay we need the bangging
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 21, 2002 20:16:21 GMT -5
I'd keep him on the 4th line with alot of PP time for now
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Post by snap on Nov 21, 2002 20:49:58 GMT -5
It's hard to say. Ribs does need ice time to be the goal scoring forward full time that he is, but with an increased number of special teams going on in the league, he could just sit on the fourth line and play a minute to a minute and a half on each power play.
Also, keeping Gilmour happy I still think is important. I would agree with those who say right now that he isn't playing well as of late, but I think come playoff time, he will step it up as he did last year. Didn't everyone want to chop his head off last year the first couple of months he was with the team? And I do think he was an important part of the playoff run last season.
And I agree and Kilger and McKay. Kilger I think, from the limited amount of games I see, living in toronto, has been important in the knocking around part of the game. He may not have the hands everyone wanted him to, but he's been hitting and grinding, and doing a pretty good job of it.
And I don't get it, why not put Rib's or at least Chow back on with Koivu and Zednick. Audette scores a goal and gets a couple of assists, (yet whiffs on an east tic tac toe tap in against the penguins) and he's redeemed of his terrible play this season?
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Post by JohnnyVerdun on Nov 22, 2002 1:55:30 GMT -5
Well, my two cents, coming from a guy who had way too many beeeeeeers watching the game with my brother at an outstanding brasserie on rue st, Denis, is that I'm ready to see Ribeiro on the second line. I've had it up to here (gestures to throat) with Perreault and Gilmour fighting over the second line center spot like two old ladies in a surpermarket arguing over a cabbage, for christ's sake. Enough is enough. These guys are useless 5 on 5. Period. Gilmour needs to be slapped around enough to understand that he should be happy centering our 4th line. Period. Put Ribeiro (who I hate, as Doc can confirm) in between Czerkawski (on the right) and Kilger on the left. Tough titties for Perreault (a pp specialist if I ever saw one) and Gilmour (who reminds me of my grandfather before he passed away in Florida many years ago). Gilmour centers the 4th line. i've had enough. I'm usually angry but now I'm drunk and angry. I've had sufficient. I know it was the back end of a double-header, but I don't give a sweet f#ck. The fact is our second line sucks and it's the weak link. We cannot throw Gilmour, Perreault and Petrov out there and expect anything good to happen. The only one who is capable of unnerving a decent defence is Petrov. Gilmour and Perreault couldn't win a battle in the corners if they did a tag-team thing, for cryin' out loud. Fix it! I despise Ribeiro but I'm willing to give him a fair shake. He's a playmaker, right? More than we can say for Perreault and Gilmour, that's for sure. So give him a scoring winger (Czerk) and a banger (Kilger) and four or five games to show what they can do. At least we'll know. As it is, I can't stand watching our second line. Gilmour is utterly ineffective on the wing and at center, and Perreault can only get it done on the pp. I'm ready to give Ribeiro a shot. I wish it hadn't come to this, but that's life....
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Post by Roggy on Nov 22, 2002 2:04:25 GMT -5
Heh, apparently you've had more than sufficient. Now go sleep it off.
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Post by JohnnyVerdun on Nov 22, 2002 2:08:23 GMT -5
Way more. I'm going to go and turn myself in on the stolen car they never got me for in Cornwall in 1986! I'll bury them in paperwork......
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Post by UberCranky on Nov 22, 2002 2:10:46 GMT -5
Well, my two cents, coming from a guy who had way too many beeeeeeers watching the game with my brother at an outstanding brasserie on rue st, Denis, is that I'm ready to see Ribeiro on the second line. I've had it up to here (gestures to throat) with Perreault and Gilmour fighting over the second line center spot like two old ladies in a surpermarket arguing over a cabbage, for christ's sake. Enough is enough. These guys are useless 5 on 5. Period. Gilmour needs to be slapped around enough to understand that he should be happy centering our 4th line. Period. Put Ribeiro (who I hate, as Doc can confirm) in between Czerkawski (on the right) and Kilger on the left. Tough titties for Perreault (a pp specialist if I ever saw one) and Gilmour (who reminds me of my grandfather before he passed away in Florida many years ago). Gilmour centers the 4th line. i've had enough. I'm usually angry but now I'm drunk and angry. I've had sufficient. I know it was the back end of a double-header, but I don't give a sweet f#ck. The fact is our second line sucks and it's the weak link. We cannot throw Gilmour, Perreault and Petrov out there and expect anything good to happen. The only one who is capable of unnerving a decent defence is Petrov. Gilmour and Perreault couldn't win a battle in the corners if they did a tag-team thing, for cryin' out loud. Fix it! I despise Ribeiro but I'm willing to give him a fair shake. He's a playmaker, right? More than we can say for Perreault and Gilmour, that's for sure. So give him a scoring winger (Czerk) and a banger (Kilger) and four or five games to show what they can do. At least we'll know. As it is, I can't stand watching our second line. Gilmour is utterly ineffective on the wing and at center, and Perreault can only get it done on the pp. I'm ready to give Ribeiro a shot. I wish it hadn't come to this, but that's life.... Dammit JV, how many have you had? I'm reading it andI can't believe it. From what, Air Portuguese Chicken Wing to second line in twently four hour? Go to bed, sleep on it and confirm what you wrote tomorrow. This post needs a full eight hours to dry and by that time you can take the whole thing back and say it was just the multi-Molson's speaking. Otherwise, you almost have me convinced.
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Post by GoMtl on Nov 22, 2002 2:13:17 GMT -5
well ya might be drunk but everything you've said makes a lot of sense still, and i agree. it would be nice if gilmour took the role of a good leader and played where the team could use him most, but he has therrien by the balls it seems and will play wherever he pleases. as for perreault, he's such a good asset in the face off circle that we have to utilize that some how... just if our third line wasn't set in stone, we could get him to center a line with juneau and bulis on the wings. dacks and juneau would still get their pk time to work their chemistry together, which is all defensive anyways. that would make the 4th line gilmour with dackell and petrov on his wings. sounds good to me.
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Post by habwest on Nov 22, 2002 3:00:12 GMT -5
To tell you the truth I really can't get very worked up about this question. Here a midget, there a midget, everywhere a midget, midget. Where is that big center with skill we so desparately need?!!
Santa are you listening!!!!
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 22, 2002 6:46:34 GMT -5
Well, my two cents, coming from a guy who had way too many beeeeeeers watching the game with my brother at an outstanding brasserie on rue st, Denis, is that I'm ready to see Ribeiro on the second line. yup, you are drunk ;D
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Nov 22, 2002 13:49:34 GMT -5
I have no problem with Perreault centering the second line until we have someone demonstrably better for the job. He's tied for the club lead in goals, with 9. In the last two games he has won 35 of 43 faceoffs (81.4%!). He hasn't played his way off the line.
My question is whether Therrien will overcome his fear and push Gilmour off the second line? Gilmour was doing his best sulky prima donna routine until the last couple of games. Seeing Koivu and Gilmour on the bench brings back memories of Sundin and Gilmour together on the Leafs.
I think Ribeiro can push out Gilmour (for the LW position), but will Gilmour go?
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 22, 2002 16:26:06 GMT -5
To the 4th line or to the retirement house?
A Ribs-Perreault-Chow/Petrov scares the hell out of me. We need size and toughness with Perreault.
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Post by Doc Holliday on Nov 22, 2002 19:20:51 GMT -5
Pretty much everything is absent from Gilmour's game except his vision and passing skills which are still elite IMO. Ribeiro last night was skating like if he was pulling a truck and he was shying away from traffic and contact so all that was left in HIS game was his vision and passing skills. If Ribs doesn't show and all out intensity and/or better skating, I see no reason to sit a 2mil veteran to play him more.
I like Ribs but last night he wasn't better then Gilmour. I say let Ribs work his way up, he can have bad games on the 4th line without drawing too much attention.
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Post by montreal on Nov 22, 2002 19:40:34 GMT -5
Pretty much everything is absent from Gilmour's game except his vision and passing skills which are still elite IMO. Ribeiro last night was skating like if he was pulling a truck and he was shying away from traffic and contact so all that was left in HIS game was his vision and passing skills. If Ribs doesn't show and all out intensity and/or better skating, I see no reason to sit a 2mil veteran to play him more. I like Ribs but last night he wasn't better then Gilmour. I say let Ribs work his way up, he can have bad games on the 4th line without drawing too much attention. I agree, Ribs is still a few years away from being a 2nd line player, IMO. He has improved year after year, but at 22 or so, he's still young and needs to improve his skating, speed, and strength. In his brief 2 games, he hasn't been to bad, but I think he's still going to be a liabilty in his own end. Didn't take him long to hit the minus column (-1). I think he'll be good for the PP, but on the 4th, he wont do much with Kilger/McKay as his wingers. I think he needs to work hard, and learn how to play in his own end, skate better, and get stronger, if not, then maybe he doesn't get resigned this summer. I am a big Ribiero fan, but I thought it was a good move by Savard to sign him to just a 1 year deal, saying that he needs to pick it up more/faster.
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 22, 2002 19:49:00 GMT -5
I also agree.
Ideally, Ribeiro replaces Perreault on the 2nd line in 2004-05 or is part of a blockbuster to get a big center. Let him take his lumps on a 4th line, play on the PP,etc
Watching Plekanec tonight and you can see the guy will be good, but he is VERY small.
All these small centers(+Higgins who is 5'11') and no big guy unless Kilger is made a center...I think in a year or two we will see a small center dealt in a deal to get a big center.
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Post by Pam on Nov 22, 2002 20:47:04 GMT -5
You know, if Pat Quinn would sign Dougie, then I would love the Habs to cut him. Not because he would be any great big help to the Leafs (but you never know), but because I would love him back so he could retire as a Leaf like Wendel did.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 22, 2002 21:57:04 GMT -5
Gilmour would be the new blood the Leafs are looking for. He's older, yes, but he'd put fans in the stands in Toronto. As a result he'd no doubt be more motivated, which would lead to a more motivated team (with a rejuvenated crowd behind them). Also, his presence would have an immediate impact in their dressing room. But, methinks he'll retire after this season anyway. Probably for the best and he knows it. Knowing this would I consider trading him to Toronto? No notta why give the Leafs hope? Faget 'bout it ... Oh my, and Corson will waive his no-trade clause and said he'd come back to Montreal!? Boy, that would work for me :)Cheers.
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 22, 2002 22:27:09 GMT -5
lol..Corson for Gilmour...that would be odd...
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