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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 21, 2002 10:53:56 GMT -5
How about this for a trade : Audette, Czerkawski and Dykhuis and a second round draft choice to edmonton for Smyth, Laracque and Brewer [/color] [/quote] Call the copps cuz AS would be going to jail.
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Post by The Habitual Fan on Nov 21, 2002 13:02:52 GMT -5
i'm not that concerned with the situation. We have depth for a change and yes that makes for some juggling of the line up - so big deal. Part of the problem is that at the beginning of the season we are trying to find a set line up. I think it is becoming clear to us, and the players, that there may not be a trade if the price isn't right and players will be moved in and out of the line up. I don't see it affecting the chemistry of the club. We're 3 over 500 and some players have not played well. If AS had traded some of these players and we had some injuries like the last few years you people would be complaining about how AS should have forseen injuries and not traded away players. If George don't mind the price tab i'm fine with the depth and juggling while we play over 500. In the meantime AS can take his time and wait for the right deal. . I have to totally agree here. Last season the Habs lost Audette and Koivu for the bulk of the season. At the draft AS gets offered Chow for Aasham and a low pick. This is Aasham we are talking about and if he played 5 minutes a night in Montreal or 30 minutes its not going to change where you finish in the standings. If Koivu tried in camp but said he was too weak and needed the year off to continue and AS passed on Chow he would have been lynched. Audette he got for Rosie who nobody wanted in town. Gilmour may play at half speed all year, but if he performs in the playoff like last season nobody will complain. Rotating Audette/Chow/Petrov is not a great solution right now, but does anyone want all three dressed each night? Quintal was brought in because he played well in Montreal before and stands up for his teammates. Dyukius played reasonable the last few years and is having problems, but so did Briesbois remember. And the kids..Hossa, Hainsey, Ward. etc... are all 21-23 years old and are not in a position to say play me or trade me, and they are not rotting away in Hamilton getting quality ice time. They will all get their chance. This team has its problems like needing a power forward left wing, but it also has depth, players with skill and a winning record and as long as George is paying the bills I can live with that.
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Post by JohnnyVerdun on Nov 21, 2002 14:15:34 GMT -5
Good post. I feel much better now. Usually, I feel like I just ate an old cigar that was half-smoked by some dirt-bag....but now I feel like I got a belly full of yogurt....
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Post by Rhiessan on Nov 21, 2002 14:19:54 GMT -5
Does anyone know exactly who's contracts are up at the end of the season?
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Nov 21, 2002 16:16:49 GMT -5
Yup, Addict, I agree. I'm fixin' to turn on Savard if this doesn't get sorted out by christmas. He'll get a christmas gift from me but it might not be his favorite toy. It'll be the pig-iron over the back of his head. I'm sick of it. It's really, plainly, obviously hurting the team, and no matter how much it may wound his pride to do a u-turn, he's got to do it. He's got to bite some contract or do whatever else it takes to clean up this roster. I hate Therrien, but this is not fair to him at all. Like I say, he's not doing a great job of handling it but I'm not so sure Scotty Bowman wouldn't find this more than he could deal with either. Savard can NOT save himself by firing Therrien. If it has taken Savard this long to figure out that Therrien isn't the answer, then he doesn't know as much about hockey as 99% of the stiffs in HabsRus. Firing Therrien now is closing the barn door after the cows have gone out. They both have to go, but we need to be looking for replacements before we satisfy our hunger and firing them. Start the search for a GM (Gainey) now and a coach (Robinson, Lemaire). Keep Savard as a head of scouting.
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 21, 2002 16:31:00 GMT -5
Does anyone know exactly who's contracts are up at the end of the season? Hackett Gilmour Lindsay Petrov(player option for a million...which he will decline) Garon(if he doesn't get 12 games in)
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Post by montreal on Nov 21, 2002 18:14:42 GMT -5
The fly in this ointment is the message is sends throughout the organization to the prospects. Why would Ward or Hossa bust his chops to make it if there is not room? If you are Hainsey and you spend another year at the AHL level and come summer time would you not demad "play me or trade me"? What about Ward? Where is the "work hard to get rewarded" syndrom? Well if that's the case, and Hainsey demands a trade cause of playing 2 years in the AHL, then by all means trade him. We can't let the players tell management what they are going to do. To me, it's Hainsey got a shot, didn't play well, got sent down (he was told he needs to work on his defence), sounds right to me. I'm a big Hainsey fan, as I have high hopes for him, but he didn't play well so I had no problem with him being sent down, plus it was a numbers thing as well. No biggie, IMO. As for Ward, Hossa, they should play the game for themselves, if you don't want to work and do well when your playing any game, there's a big problem.
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 21, 2002 18:40:29 GMT -5
ok guys the argument is getting ridiculous. NO prospect has ever asked to be traded because he spent one more season on the farm and it won't happen. They have no power.
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Post by Rhiessan on Nov 22, 2002 0:57:49 GMT -5
Thanks Marc. Was hoping maybe Dorkhius and Q-ball would be in there, oh well.
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 22, 2002 6:53:15 GMT -5
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Post by montreal on Nov 22, 2002 16:58:08 GMT -5
Hackett Gilmour Lindsay Petrov(player option for a million...which he will decline) Garon(if he doesn't get 12 games in) Well there's also RFA's Ribeiro, Ward, Gratton (i think), maybe Chouinard as well, and Garon will be either a RFA or UFA (looks like UFA). Oh and Koivu. Next season is going to be very interesting. Perreault, Juneau, Dackell, Chow, Quintal, Traverse, McKay, Zednik, and I think Souray and maybe Dykhuis will all be in there last year, and will be free in the summer if Savard doesn't resign them. So in '04-'05 season is when we could see a lot of the younger guys in the lineup, Hainsey, Komisarek, Hossa, Perezhogin??? And before June 1st, Savard has to sign Milroy (I really hope he does), Archer, and Himelfarb or its back to the draft for them.
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 22, 2002 17:03:13 GMT -5
Well there's also RFA's Ribeiro, Ward, Gratton (i think), maybe Chouinard as well, and Garon will be either a RFA or UFA (looks like UFA). Oh and Koivu. Ribeiro, Ward, Gratton, Chouinard will pose no problem Garon...yikes that is gonna be a tough one Koivu should be signed quickly...no need to mess around Here is the list: UFA's: Perreault Chow Juneau Dackell Blouin Quintal McKay RFA's: Zednik Souray Traverse(please go away!!) Markov(has to be re-signed someday no?) Busy summer ahead in 04...I would say goodbye to all of those U FA's and bring in young blood. The only ones I could keep are Juneau/Dackell if we don't have other PK'ers around He'll sign him(Milroy for sure)...Archer and Himelfarb? I don't know
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Post by montreal on Nov 22, 2002 19:25:10 GMT -5
Ribeiro, Ward, Gratton, Chouinard will pose no problem Garon...yikes that is gonna be a tough one Koivu should be signed quickly...no need to mess around Here is the list: UFA's: Perreault Chow Juneau Dackell Blouin Quintal McKay RFA's: Zednik Souray Traverse(please go away!!) Markov(has to be re-signed someday no?) Busy summer ahead in 04...I would say goodbye to all of those U FA's and bring in young blood. The only ones I could keep are Juneau/Dackell if we don't have other PK'ers around He'll sign him(Milroy for sure)...Archer and Himelfarb? I don't know Well in the case of Garon, if we lose both him and Hack, then Savard could sign Tarasov (RFA), and have Michaud/Fichaud duo in Hamilton, and there's Puurula, but I would leave him in Finland for another year. Markov, is he on is rookie contract? I will look it up later. And Savard has to sign Milroy, and he should sign Archer for sure. Himelfarb, I think will get signed too, as we will have Hamilton all to ourselfs, and all 3 could play in Hamilton next season.
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 22, 2002 19:46:17 GMT -5
Well a rookie contract is what?
3 years?
This would be the 3rd year so he may be a RFA after this year
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Post by montreal on Nov 22, 2002 19:56:23 GMT -5
Well a rookie contract is what? 3 years? This would be the 3rd year so he may be a RFA after this year Yup, I just looked it up at NHLPA.com He makes 700K this year. He first played in '00-'01 season, so this is his 3rd year, and should be his final year, so he would be a RFA this summer. Andre Savard, I would get him signed sooner then later, and I would be more worried about getting Markov signed then Oleg Petrov.
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 22, 2002 19:57:47 GMT -5
Yup, I just looked it up at NHLPA.com He makes 700K this year. He first played in '00-'01 season, so this is his 3rd year, and should be his final year, so he would be a RFA this summer. Andre Savard, I would get him signed sooner then later, and I would be more worried about getting Markov signed then Oleg Petrov. so Koivu and Markov to sign this summer...thank god we will save money with Hackett and Gilmour leaving...
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