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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 20, 2002 22:03:02 GMT -5
MARKOV!!! What a goal!!(even though he was offside)
Solid road win. Only 4 points from first place. YEAH BABY!
a great win on the road..
AND MARKOV FOR THE ALL STAR GAME
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Post by Viper on Nov 20, 2002 22:04:51 GMT -5
What an awesome game we outshot the pens badly and deserved that win big time it's nice to get stoned by a goalie instead of seeing our guy do the stoning.
MARKOV !!!!!
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Post by UberCranky on Nov 20, 2002 22:11:05 GMT -5
Three stars
Markov Perrault Rivet Hack
Three Disgraces.
McKay Audette Q-ball
Overall team effort: B- Coaching: B-
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Post by seventeen on Nov 20, 2002 22:13:29 GMT -5
Check the replay, Marc...that goal was onside.
Guys that impressed from the 25% of the game that I saw (mostly 3rd period and OT). Koivu, without a doubt. Forcing the play, challenging people, beating them one on one. Audette looked good too. Markov....what a player! Not just the goal, which was pure skill, but his challenges on defense...his calm and awareness. Anyone notice how casually he knocked the water bottle into the net before tying up Lemiux? One thing at a time...a) get rid of water bottle distraction b) tie up greatest player c) line up for faceoff. Amazing. This guy is going to be so good it's scary. Can anyone say Lidstrom? Other guys were ok too. Brisebois is playing better and better, despite ole Karl on his wing. That alone is worth a bunch.
There's always a flip side. The Quintal/Traverse pairing. Why does the opposition get their best chances when these 2 are on the ice? Duh? Rivet could have been better in clearing the puck in the 3rd, but his toe might have been a little bothersome...so no criticism for Craig tonight. The aforementioned Dykhis.
Ok, next improvement goal...we need 3 new defensemen. Hainsey can come back any time. Then Brad Ference? or Fedor Tutin? Wishful thinking but what the hey. Good game overall by the boys. And MT didn't lose it for us either.
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 20, 2002 22:17:55 GMT -5
Here is what RDS showed
Markov's skate went over the line before the puck came in...
extremely slow replay
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 20, 2002 22:29:09 GMT -5
Markov....what a player! Not just the goal, which was pure skill, but his challenges on defense...his calm and awareness. Anyone notice how casually he knocked the water bottle into the net before tying up Lemiux? One thing at a time...a) get rid of water bottle distraction b) tie up greatest player c) line up for faceoff. Amazing. This guy is going to be so good it's scary. Can anyone say Lidstrom? Lidstrom? He'll be good no doubt...
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Post by UberCranky on Nov 20, 2002 22:34:13 GMT -5
Am I the only one who sees Audi float and skate in circles until he thinks that there is a play developing with his name on it? I saw him float and not make an easy try for the puck on at least half a dozen times. To me, the only way he has any value on the team is by Zed and Koivu setting him up. Occasionally, when the mood strikes him he even tries to get possession. But 70% he does not put any effort in it. Markov=Lidstrom. The kid is actually beginning to play with an edge. Could be even more physical then Lidstrom. If he had anothe 30 pounds and 4 inches he would start to rock some heads. I wonder if Kilger can lend him his body.
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Post by JohnnyVerdun on Nov 20, 2002 22:39:07 GMT -5
I'm with you on Audette. I just don't understand people who prefer this guy to Czerkawski. But in any case it's got to be one or the other.
For what it's worth, I watched the replay and it was clearly offside. Wasn't really all that close either. A bit of a tricky play, but he was offside.
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Post by Viper on Nov 20, 2002 22:39:39 GMT -5
Am I the only onw who sees Audi flaot and skate in circles until he thinks that there is a play developing with his name on it? I saw him flaot and not make an easy try for the puck on at least half a dozen times. To me, the only way he has any value on t he team is by Zed and Koivu setting him up. Occasionally, when the mood strikes him he even tries to get posession. But 70% he does not put any effort in it. nope your not the only one who notices which is why we need a guy with a more size and heart on that first line one more guy with just half the work ethic of zed and saku and that line would be just smoking i still think Jan bulis should get a 3 or 4 game tryout on the top line but then we're screwed because who's gonna play with juneau and dacks still I wanna see that combination just for a short time. Markov=Lidstrom. The kid is actually beginning to play with an edge. Could be even more physical then Lidstrom. If he had anothe 30 pounds and 4 inches he would start to rock some heads. I wonder if Kilger can lend him his body. Markov in Komi's body wow that would be scary but waht would be better is if Komi develop's his defensive game appropriatley and comes up to be the force we want him to be. The blueline looks better all the time.
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Post by UberCranky on Nov 20, 2002 22:54:05 GMT -5
I like to see Kilger be given a ten game try out with Zed and Koivu. Give him that much time to learn what and where he has to be on certain plays. I bet that by the 10th game this line would be a freaken force.
You need to have three guys play together more then one game. Lines should NEVER be REWARDS for someone. When the h*ll did the Hab's first line become some type of reward for half assed, half effort idiots to make it too?
The Z-K line needs size to go in front of the net and create space for Z-K. It's that simple. If the puck is in the corner then Kilgers job is to get there and strip the puck off the defenseman, pass it to Z or K and go park his butt in front of the net. Make life misereable for THREE people. If he does his job right he will occupy and annoy two defenseman who would not dare leave him alone and a goalie who will grow to hate him. I keep thinking Wayne Cashman.
Why can't I coach? I will work for free. *preys*
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Post by montreal on Nov 20, 2002 22:55:00 GMT -5
I'm with you on Audette. I just don't understand people who prefer this guy to Czerkawski. But in any case it's got to be one or the other. For what it's worth, I watched the replay and it was clearly offside. Wasn't really all that close either. A bit of a tricky play, but he was offside. HA, I feel the same way about Audette, but JV, I do prefer him to Chow, but not by much. I really hate Chow, whereas I only hate Audette. I swear I have to watch one floater/coaster every game for the rest of my life! I hated Savage, I hated Rosey, I hated Berezin (though not as much as the others, he reminded me of a little of old Russ Courntal) I hate the Chow/Auette/Perreault (I dont' hate Perreault, as he pisses me off the least of the bunch). Both Chow and Audette, float, and don't hustle at all. Audette's getting the points right now, so play him, then when he turns cold, bring back old softie himself Marshmellow Czerkawski.
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Post by GARB08 on Nov 20, 2002 22:56:28 GMT -5
Great goal by Markov. He is the most improved player in the NHL with out a doubt.
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Post by montreal on Nov 20, 2002 23:05:02 GMT -5
I like to see Kilger be given a ten game try out with Zed and Koivu. Give him that much time to learn what and where he has to be on certain plays. I bet that by the 10th game this line would be a freaken force. You need to have three guys play together more then one game. Lines should NEVER be REWARDS for someone. When the h*ll did the Hab's first line become some type of reward for half assed, half effort idiots to make it too? The Z-K line needs size to go in front of the net and create space for Z-K. It's that simple. If the puck is in the corner then Kilgers job is to get there and strip the puck off the defenseman, pass it to Z or K and go park his but in front of the net. If he does his jhob right he will occupy and annoy two defenseman who would not dare leave him alone. Why can't I coach? I will work for free. *preys* The only problem I have with Kilger, is that he sucks. He has great size, skating, speed, and at times plays very phyiscal. But on the other hand, he has hands of stone, he has no ideal what to do with the puck on offence, his offencive skills aren't there at all. I agree he could really open some room for Z-K but at what price? At least he would work hard, compared to Audette/Chow, but I think he would hamper the lines ability to score. In tonights game, Ribs threw a bullet of a pass to Kilger in front of the net, and Chad didn't have his stick down or was he ready to recieve a pass. When your 2 feet in front of the goalie, you have to have better instincts and one of the first things I ever learned in hockey was always have your stick on the ice. Also 10 games is a lot, that would take us into Decemeber, and it looks like its going to be a close race in the east this year, so we will need all the points we can get. Also I don't know if Kilger has played RW off the top of my head, and Zednik seems to really work well at LW.
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Post by UberCranky on Nov 20, 2002 23:13:40 GMT -5
The only problem I have with Kilger, is that he sucks. He has great size, skating, speed, and at times plays very phyiscal. But on the other hand, he has hands of stone, he has no ideal what to do with the puck on offence, his offencive skills aren't there at all. I agree he could really open some room for Z-K but at what price? At least he would work hard, compared to Audette/Chow, but I think he would hamper the lines ability to score. In tonights game, Ribs threw a bullet of a pass to Kilger in front of the net, and Chad didn't have his stick down or was he ready to recieve a pass. When your 2 feet in front of the goalie, you have to have better instincts and one of the first things I ever learned in hockey was always have your stick on the ice. Also 10 games is a lot, that would take us into Decemeber, and it looks like its going to be a close race in the east this year, so we will need all the points we can get. Also I don't know if Kilger has played RW off the top of my head, and Zednik seems to really work well at LW. That's what McKay was supposed to do but nothing has come of it. Yes, I know his hands are covered with stone dust but what good are Cherk and Audi? The run hot and cold. Show up one game and not the next. At least Kilger will show up every game if he plays with Koivu. I thought of Bulis but he does not have the physicla force and Ward's skating is not at the Z=K level. Who else has the size and speed? Odgick? *falls off chair laughing* Thsi "reward" or trying to "jump start" someone by playing them with Z-K is foolish coaching to cover for bad GM'ing. Neither is pretty.
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Post by seventeen on Nov 20, 2002 23:25:47 GMT -5
Remember that I saw from the 5 minute mark of the third onward...and in that stretch Audette worked along the boards and was dangerous. On one play he outfought two much bigger Penguins behind the net (outfought their sticks anyway) and kept control. In the OT, he deked past a d on the right wing and fed Zednik for a chance. Looked ok to me for that stretch. He might have been a doughnut before then, though.
Hey, I forgot Petrov. Not a good game. Effort galore but poor results, and he wasn't very good in his own end in the 3rd. Put him in Kilger's body and you'd have......Kilger, I guess. Scratch that thought.
What I meant about Markov and LIdstrom is that they're very similar. Lidstrom's not big, he uses his stick very, very well, he passes the puck efficiently, he's about 2 steps ahead of most other players in his head and he manages to hold off bigger players in his own end. How do you describe Markov? Much the same. Andrei is indeed getting meaner, isn't he? I love it. And he's much stronger. Must be hitting the ste...I mean weights.
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Post by UberCranky on Nov 20, 2002 23:29:04 GMT -5
Did you mean the "steakaroids" ? Or was it the "pharmasizers"?
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Post by Pam on Nov 20, 2002 23:48:54 GMT -5
Congratulations on the win tonight. If you guys are right about Markov being another Lidstrom, then you will have one h-ll of a player. I would give my right arm to have Lidstrom on the Leafs. I've always liked Lidstrom. IMO, he's one of the best Defenseman in the NHL.
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Post by montreal on Nov 20, 2002 23:56:15 GMT -5
That's what McKay was supposed to do but nothing has come of it. Yes, I know his hands are covered with stone dust but what good are Cherk and Audi? The run hot and cold. Show up one game and not the next. At least Kilger will show up every game if he plays with Koivu. I thought of Bulis but he does not have the physicla force and Ward's skating is not at the Z=K level. Who else has the size and speed? Odgick? *falls off chair laughing* Thsi "reward" or trying to "jump start" someone by playing them with Z-K is foolish coaching to cover for bad GM'ing. Neither is pretty. Well McKay can't keep up with Z-K so I wouldn't try that one. It was suposed to be Chow Koivu Audette, but I guess they figured that wasn't fair to Saku, as the other 2 would be watching him do all the work. Out of all those, I would say Bulis would be the better pick, as he has better skills with the puck then Kilger, but not as phyiscal. I would go with Bulis as he does have chemistry with Zednik, and Koivu seems to make any player look good. But I would hate to break up the B-J-D line, as they have played well together.
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Post by Vichab on Nov 21, 2002 0:16:01 GMT -5
i thought the boys played a great game. if not for St. Aub this could have been over in the 2nd period. I thought they dominated and the shots on net was a refreshing change. If you look at the last 3 games these guys are playing well.
I thought Aud played ok. He wasn't a liabilty and i thought helped Zand K. If he plays like he has the last 3 games i got no problem with him on that line. i've noticed that in every interview sinc his goal he mentions how good he is when he plays on the top line. He's not stupid. he's a lucky man and he knows it.
I don't know if MT has consciously decided to rotate the smurf floaters but it may not be a bad idea. We can't afford all 3 in the line up and they can hopefully push each other so as not to be the scratch. No hustle - No play! Petrov was ok although looked a little rusty. i say continue to sit Cz for another game and see if he comes with some game. Then sit Aud if he doesn't keep going. with ribs back there is no way we can have all 4 in the line up.
HABS RULE! hi! im vichab's daughter(mini vichab) i think the over time goal was a beauty! right upstairs where mama keeps the peanut butter! i truely think the habs should've won. i think they played a pretty good game,anyways. the pens goalie didn't do very much but lie around on the ice the whole game! the habs just couldn't raise the puck over, until markov showed them how 2 do it.
I'll have more on markov later but gotta put Mini Vichab to bed.
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Post by seventeen on Nov 21, 2002 0:19:12 GMT -5
Here is what RDS showed Markov's skate went over the line before the puck came in...extremely slow replay Marc, I have some good news and some bad news (for your argument). The good news is you are absolutely right. Markov's skate was clearly in before he brought the puck over the line. The bad news (for you, not Andrei or the Habs) is that if you are in full control of the puck, you can have every part of your anatomy over the line before the puck and it's onside. Yes, you can skate in backwards if you like as long as you have FULL control. There was never any question of control with Markov, so ergo, the play was onside. I'd blame it on your fledgling youth, except JV thought it was offside too. Applause graciously accepted. . . . . . . . . .
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Post by Vichab on Nov 21, 2002 1:15:14 GMT -5
markov is becoming one of the best all around dmen in the league. Last year we saw glimpses of brilliance but this year he has been there at both ends of the rink with spectacular plays. he is so smooth at both ends. i love watching him defensively because you never know whether he is going to play the man or simply take the puck from the attacker. Either way he gets the job done. watching him handle the puck particularly in our end is a joy. more often than not he is given a lame pass from one of his stoned hand colleagues put he manages to coral it as it comes off the boards or out of harms way and away we go. To think how young he is just makes you wonder what he will do in a few years.
Rivet i thought had alot of trouble getting the puck out of the zone on simple plays in the third. But he did a great job on Mario. i've never seen mario lose it but that was close at the end of the 2nd. i don't know what was said but mario looked mad. bottom line is it appeared to get him off his game as he was ineffective in the 3rd.
Ribs seemed pretty rusty and hopefully will come aqround. doesn't help being on the 4th but maybe the pp will get him into the game.
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 21, 2002 7:21:34 GMT -5
Great goal by Markov. He is the most improved player in the NHL with out a doubt. That is what McGuire said...I agree 1000% It's day and night compared to last year and he is ONLY 23!!!!!!!!
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 21, 2002 7:23:26 GMT -5
markov is becoming one of the best all around dmen in the league. Last year we saw glimpses of brilliance but this year he has been there at both ends of the rink with spectacular plays. he is so smooth at both ends. i love watching him defensively because you never know whether he is going to play the man or simply take the puck from the attacker. Either way he gets the job done. watching him handle the puck particularly in our end is a joy. more often than not he is given a lame pass from one of his stoned hand colleagues put he manages to coral it as it comes off the boards or out of harms way and away we go. To think how young he is just makes you wonder what he will do in a few years. Rivet i thought had alot of trouble getting the puck out of the zone on simple plays in the third. But he did a great job on Mario. i've never seen mario lose it but that was close at the end of the 2nd. i don't know what was said but mario looked mad. bottom line is it appeared to get him off his game as he was ineffective in the 3rd. Ribs seemed pretty rusty and hopefully will come aqround. doesn't help being on the 4th but maybe the pp will get him into the game. is that mini of vichab? ;D Maybe viper can get ''mini'' viper to write a message..LOL
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Post by Habsmania on Nov 21, 2002 8:45:20 GMT -5
Congratulations on the win tonight. If you guys are right about Markov being another Lidstrom, then you will have one h-ll of a player. I would give my right arm to have Lidstrom on the Leafs. I've always liked Lidstrom. IMO, he's one of the best Defenseman in the NHL. Pam keep your right arm, because will play his career in Detroit, every nhl teams wants Lidstrom, he will go back to sweden after he retires, so no chance seing him in maple leaf blue or hab red white and blue. Markov is improving every game, that is because we were patient with him, and we will do the same with Hainsey and the other big defensemen Komisarek. [/color]
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Post by Chopper on Nov 21, 2002 10:13:00 GMT -5
The rule about having control of the puck, to stay onside. Am I right in saying this was the Denis Savard rule? With his spin-o-rama's.... I like the idea of trying Bulis on the line with Koivu and Zednik. Kilger also looked pretty good on the line with Dackell and Juneau last year, put him in Bulis's spot. I'd also really like to see Jason Ward given a chance on this team, I know there's no room right now but I think he should be the first call up. He's the type of player that could help us in the play-offs (Erik Cole type). And Markov is showing us why he was MVP in the russian league before coming over to the habs.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Nov 21, 2002 16:47:52 GMT -5
HA, I feel the same way about Audette, but JV, I do prefer him to Chow, but not by much. I really hate Chow, whereas I only hate Audette. I swear I have to watch one floater/coaster every game for the rest of my life! I hated Savage, I hated Rosey, I hated Berezin (though not as much as the others, he reminded me of a little of old Russ Courntal) I hate the Chow/Auette/Perreault (I dont' hate Perreault, as he pisses me off the least of the bunch). Both Chow and Audette, float, and don't hustle at all. Audette's getting the points right now, so play him, then when he turns cold, bring back old softie himself Marshmellow Czerkawski. You should be an American. We vote for the man we hate the least. And I thought I hated the world?
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