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Post by UberCranky on Nov 15, 2002 21:43:46 GMT -5
Come on over people, I got whisky, I got vodka, I got beer, I got Moosehead for’ya Dis, were gonna have a party..... Come on everybody, join me on my FIRE THERRIEN bandwagon. I just had it painted and renovated the interior. Put an extra few seats in the back for all of you late jumpers. Don't worry folks, the mule is house broken, actually, I named him Houle, after that great GM of our Hab's past. Come aboard everybody, were gonna have a party, yessiree!!! We can always reminisce about what the Hab's use to be and what it meant to be a HAB fan. A PROUD HAB FAN. Yup! We can talk about Hab’s teams that had real coaches who knew what they were doing. COACHES not cockroaches. Man like Blake and Bowman. GM’s like Pollack, not pretenders. I could go on by why spoil the FUN. Okay, who know some good MThead jokes? Come on people, lighten up and join me, were gonna have a ball!!!!!!!!! Get on board the SIMPLETON'S HEARSE
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 15, 2002 21:44:31 GMT -5
I'm driving it!!
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Post by HFTO on Nov 15, 2002 22:05:35 GMT -5
After about 10 minutes all I could think about is how much better would we be with a coach that has a clue.That was the most disorganized disjointed display that I can remember.Hackett should demand a trade. Simply Pathetic HFTO
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Post by rocky on Nov 15, 2002 22:06:25 GMT -5
Great idea, can we stay till the spring, because we can't ever show our faces before then.
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Post by 24andcounting on Nov 15, 2002 22:12:35 GMT -5
If you're driving Marc, can I ride shotgun.
That was painful.
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Post by UberCranky on Nov 15, 2002 22:23:48 GMT -5
Are there ANY Therrien supporters left? Even one?
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 15, 2002 22:26:30 GMT -5
André Savard obviously
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Post by UberCranky on Nov 15, 2002 22:33:51 GMT -5
Sorry JV, BC, Mont et all. I know this is not s serious thread but we have nothing else left other then to try to see the humorous side of this otherwise pet hamster everywhere are in trouble.
I am a proud Hab fan that has no pride in this team…<br>…and it hurts.
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Post by Viper on Nov 15, 2002 22:41:43 GMT -5
haha where did you find that picture. i wish i could add the old Johnny cash song to this bit lol " a ring of fire " and it burns burns burns, the ring of fire the ring of fire. i fell in to a burning ring of fire i went down down down and the flames kept getting higher ......................................... Viper, ask and yee shall receive. Click below... Ladies and Gentleman - The Great Johnny Cash!!![/color] and the flames kept getting higher lol thanks HA
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Post by Psycorp on Nov 15, 2002 23:07:34 GMT -5
ok, for the first time, i'll take this ride, let's fire him
with great reluctance, i now agree, MT does'nt have it
The players simply don't pay the price for him
However, it's not only his fault, there is far too many cheaters on this team
Gilmour, Czerkawski, Rivet, etc... i'm getting sick
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Post by Viper on Nov 15, 2002 23:18:44 GMT -5
ok, for the first time, i'll take this ride, let's fire him with great reluctance, i now agree, MT does'nt have it The players simply don't pay the price for him However, it's not only his fault, there is far too many cheaters on this team Gilmour, Czerkawski, Rivet, etc... i'm getting sick the guy has had 2 year's to find an identity of some kind for this team and failed. the guy has had little to work with fine but at the same time if the team has no focus or purpose out there how can they be expected to compete and play. THeir is no order out their no saet play's no consistent line matchup's no way anyone can know where to go or what to do out hteir without any kind of map or plan. When you paint a house you need a brush, ladder, bucket, etcetera but if the bucket is empty you might as well had never begun in the first place. MT has not provided any paint and he has had 2 year's
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Post by JacquesInFL on Nov 15, 2002 23:52:19 GMT -5
This sure was another bitter, though predictable, episode in MT's Burritozoic Era -- the neighbourly strategy of spotting the opposition 20 shots and 10 odd man rushes before the forensic specialists can even dig through the wreckage.
Ok, let's get this straight, we were lucky to be 6-5-4 so MT has a better idea: the elimination of the Juneau line (by the way, anyone think a bright guy like Joé might coach better than the Buffoon in strange coloured suits?). This makes sense -- blow up one of the few things that work so nothing works. The Burrito belch rears its ugly head...
Then, Therrien thinks it wise to employ the three soft RWers among the top six forwards. Result: the Perreault line was tossed around the ice like a red-headed stepchild. Are you kidding me?? Anyone notice the guys skating around in the white sweaters include a critical mass of quality two-way forwards among their ranks?? Another Burrito belch...clearly, guys like Kilger and Bulis have little to offer this well-oiled pond hockey machine.
Let's not cut corners and drift into relativism, every single line was being massacred -- odd man rushes and cycling until the poor Devils probably got tired skating behind and in front of Jeff Hackett (the poor survivor at this wreck site). The d-corps, well, is another case of making the worst of what exists. How do mediocre blueliners in Pittsburgh or Boston make the first pass maintain focus? The semblance of coherent system has much to make with it...final belch.
yes, MThead sure rolled 60 minutes of hell out there against Patty Burns. -- PB ought to bring up a few River Rats for the sequel in Montréal, since its a little unfair to be hunting lower IQ game from the Burritozoic Era with seasoned trackers.
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Post by seventeen on Nov 16, 2002 0:16:12 GMT -5
The Burritozoic Era? I always get confused...was that before or after the Enchiladacious Period?
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Post by montreal on Nov 16, 2002 1:13:52 GMT -5
Are there ANY Therrien supporters left? Even one? Yes I'm still here. Since I'm alone on this. I'll reflect on my favorite Therrien moment. I just loved it when he benched Czerkawski. I saw an interview he did for the Isles and he was still complaining about being benched, cause it broke up his 200+ games played streak. Oh man, that was classic. The only problem is that he brought him back. But nobodies perfect. Anyone know what the last 2 games have in common? (besides a loss) Czerkawski in the box while the other team scores the first goal of the game against 2 teams that have outstanding records when scoring first (NJ is 8-1 now). Ok so everyone wants to fire Therrien? Thats all I hear. Just who is going to replace him? Just cause you want to fire somebody, doesn't mean that the next guy can do better. Come up with a good replacement (No Ted Nolans please, or Ron Wilsons, or I will puke) But next time you are ready to type Fire Therrien, think of this and tell me how this is his fault. Perreault coasting in his own end, just letting a player go right by him, Dykhuis went chasing after someone in the middle of the play when he was the only one back and the puck was down low, Chow floating around on any given night, Quintal lost in space, Rivet letting a pass go across the middle without even attempting to lay his stick on it, Brisebois caught out of position, Petrov spining and twirling around then losing the puck, Gilmor doing a whole lot of nothing. Ok I could go on, but does anyone see what I am saying? These guys are not working hard, they are getting beaten to the puck, the are outworked on the boards, they aren't passing well, the show little emotion or concern to getting the crap beat out of them. Yes Therrien is far from the best coach, but what about the players not trying hard, and making very bad decisions on the ice.
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Post by BCHab on Nov 16, 2002 1:20:10 GMT -5
In MT's defense, I think he is trying to jump start Gilmour and Audette by any way possible. Unfortunately, it's at the expense of the rest of the team. Personally, I think some of the players should share the blame. Poor defensive play by the forwards and the uninspiring play of the defense had everything to do with this latest fiasco. Without Hackett, it would have been a lot worse.
They were not the Montreal Canadiens tonight. They were something else. Coach and players are equally to blame. It will be interesting to see what AS does.
Burritozoic? I'm sure it's just before the Tacolithic
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Post by habwest on Nov 16, 2002 5:32:29 GMT -5
Well, I'm for keeping MT and making a run at the #1 pick in the draft. Isn't 2003 supposed to be a good year for the draft? Makes about as much sense as anything else that's going on with the team about now. That way we might actually get that big talented horse this team needs. Of course we would all need the self discipline to forego watching any more habs games for the rest of the season. Just think of it as a sabatical and when we come back next fall, Voila!, new coaches, maybe many new faces on the team and even a new GM too.
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Post by UberCranky on Nov 16, 2002 9:05:49 GMT -5
Yes I'm still here. Since I'm alone on this. I'll reflect on my favorite Therrien moment. I just loved it when he benched Czerkawski. I saw an interview he did for the Isles and he was still complaining about being benched, cause it broke up his 200+ games played streak. Oh man, that was classic. The only problem is that he brought him back. But nobodies perfect. Anyone know what the last 2 games have in common? (besides a loss) Czerkawski in the box while the other team scores the first goal of the game against 2 teams that have outstanding records when scoring first (NJ is 8-1 now). Ok so everyone wants to fire Therrien? Thats all I hear. Just who is going to replace him? Just cause you want to fire somebody, doesn't mean that the next guy can do better. Come up with a good replacement (No Ted Nolans please, or Ron Wilsons, or I will puke) But next time you are ready to type Fire Therrien, think of this and tell me how this is his fault. Perreault coasting in his own end, just letting a player go right by him, Dykhuis went chasing after someone in the middle of the play when he was the only one back and the puck was down low, Chow floating around on any given night, Quintal lost in space, Rivet letting a pass go across the middle without even attempting to lay his stick on it, Brisebois caught out of position, Petrov spining and twirling around then losing the puck, Gilmor doing a whole lot of nothing. Ok I could go on, but does anyone see what I am saying? These guys are not working hard, they are getting beaten to the puck, the are outworked on the boards, they aren't passing well, the show little emotion or concern to getting the crap beat out of them. Yes Therrien is far from the best coach, but what about the players not trying hard, and making very bad decisions on the ice. You are new to this board and mentally I am too old and frail to keep repeating why the Hab's will never get anywhere with Therrien. If you look back at 1700 or so posts you will find 300-400 posts where I do nothing but diss Therrien. It all started when I saw him coaching, live and in person. When I saw him in person, I saw him CHEERING on one of the players to play better. Do you understand what that means? When one of his defenseman was beaten, when the defenseman sat down and looked over at the coach, Therrien shook his head. Do you understand what that means? I could go on and on but I am tired of it. VERY tired. Montreal, coaching is not about yelling, it is not about benching the players who are not producing, it is not about cheering. Coaching is about getting your players to play a certain way. The very definition of coaching is: Main Entry: 1coach Pronunciation: 'kOch Function: noun 2 [from the concept that the tutor conveys the student through his examinations] a : a private tutor b : one who instructs or trains a performer or a team of performers; specifically : one who instructs players in the fundamentals of a competitive sport and directs team strategy <football coach> A coach has to develop and train his players to play as a cohesive unit. Not a cheer leader, not a gatekeeper for the press box, not a juggler. The players have NO respect for Therrien and are not playing for him. Even when they want to play for each other as they did in the playoffs last year, Therrien through his incompetence as a COACH is denying them the opportunity by not training them to play as a cohesive unit. If that is not obvious to all then I don't know what to say.
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 16, 2002 9:15:09 GMT -5
Well, I'm for keeping MT and making a run at the #1 pick in the draft. Isn't 2003 supposed to be a good year for the draft? Makes about as much sense as anything else that's going on with the team about now. That way we might actually get that big talented horse this team needs. Of course we would all need the self discipline to forego watching any more habs games for the rest of the season. Just think of it as a sabatical and when we come back next fall, Voila!, new coaches, maybe many new faces on the team and even a new GM too. There is no Kovalchuk or Spezza mega prospect but a bunch of excellent prospects who could very well become franchise players: www.hockeysfuture.com/Octrankings.php
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Post by BadCompany on Nov 16, 2002 9:34:06 GMT -5
Sorry JV, BC, Mont et all. I know this is not s serious thread but we have nothing else left other then to try to see the humorous side of this otherwise pet hamster everywhere are in trouble. I am a proud Hab fan that has no pride in this team…<br>…and it hurts. HEY! No fun allowed here! That was brutal to watch. I mean, really, really bad. If you can't laugh at that... Wow. Sad thing is, I don't think the Devils were even trying that hard. They just seemed to be out there, playing their game, layin' a whupping... Sigh. I thought Patrick Traverse played his worst game as a Hab. And he's played some pretty bad games. Just when we thought he was maybe, just maybe, starting to turn it around... Hmmm, who was he partnered with last night? Was it the same guy that Ron Hainsey went -6 with to start the season, but then +5 once he got injured? Jan Bulis and Chad Kilger each played less than 10 minutes. Good thing we are rolling four lines, cause that will really help develope the kids... Doesn't seem to be any coaches available at the moment. Bring back Vigneault maybe? Robinson for a season and a half? Charon? Does Savard have somebody down in the junior or AHL ranks he's been watching? This team has so many problems at the moment, that even if there is a coaching change, it will take a good 15 games or so to install a system - any system... Viper, I modified your first post in this thread. You wanted Johnny Cash? You GOT Johnny Cash, baby!
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 16, 2002 9:35:57 GMT -5
Good point BC...hmm funny how Quintal comes back and once again our butts get kicked by Dallas and NJ. Both teams didn't even try that hard as you said. The LA game had more do to with playing a tired team. Quintal must go!! he is not the only problem but he is A problem..
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Post by UberCranky on Nov 16, 2002 10:12:28 GMT -5
HEY! No fun allowed here! That was brutal to watch. I mean, really, really bad. If you can't laugh at that... Wow. Sad thing is, I don't think the Devils were even trying that hard. They just seemed to be out there, playing their game, layin' a whupping... Sigh. I thought Patrick Traverse played his worst game as a Hab. And he's played some pretty bad games. Just when we thought he was maybe, just maybe, starting to turn it around... Hmmm, who was he partnered with last night? Was it the same guy that Ron Hainsey went -6 with to start the season, but then +5 once he got injured? Jan Bulis and Chad Kilger each played less than 10 minutes. Good thing we are rolling four lines, cause that will really help develope the kids... Doesn't seem to be any coaches available at the moment. Bring back Vigneault maybe? Robinson for a season and a half? Charon? Does Savard have somebody down in the junior or AHL ranks he's been watching? This team has so many problems at the moment, that even if there is a coaching change, it will take a good 15 games or so to install a system - any system... Viper, I modified your first post in this thread. You wanted Johnny Cash? You GOT Johnny Cash, baby! How hard was it to get Hitch? A disciplined, organized, demanding, system oriented coach? But instead Savard offers a 3 YEAR extension to a man not worthy of an AHL coaching job. Was it because Hitch is not a francophone? Was it because Savard is too conservative and afraid of a bold move like that? Is it because Savard really believes that Therrien is a good coach? Any one of these reasons is a charge against Savard as a manager.
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 16, 2002 11:12:26 GMT -5
HA MT only got a one year extension(for 03-04) last summer...
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Post by Viper on Nov 16, 2002 12:29:22 GMT -5
Really MP maybe just maybe he'll get his ass canned after all. by the way is their any way we can do to therrien what my new signature says
if only we can find an old log big enough to hide that suit.
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 16, 2002 12:49:12 GMT -5
The good thing is MT makes chump change by coaching standards...so it won't hurt us $$ wise
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Post by Doc Holliday on Nov 16, 2002 13:17:53 GMT -5
I defended Therrien before but yesterday was a disgrace... Savard isn't to be shielded from criticisms but there is thread for that...
We need a new coach and here is what I'd like from him:
1- We want a veteran coach with a proven NHL record who knows what it takes to go all the way.
2- We want a veteran coach that wouldn't be just a yesmen to Savard and that can storm in his office to say "..you better trade this guy and that guy too 'cause they're not playing another f#cking game for me...". Savard needs to be challenged by a guy that knows how it all works and wouldn't be afraid to lose his job.
3- We want a veteran coach that knows how to use veterans and bring up rookies.
4- In Montreal you also need a coach with whom the fan base can relate. Sorry but but a strict Anglophone guy can't cut it. Needs to have working French.
Burns could have been that guy. Now he's gone.
The coaching duo that would look great now IMO would be:
Demers/Robinson
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 16, 2002 13:23:32 GMT -5
Wow Demers' name is popping out everywhere...isn't Jacques a heart trouble patient? wouldn't his heart explode with such a job?
But I agree with all the criteria's Doc put out. HA loves Hitch but he has developed few if any young players in Dallas .
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Post by UberCranky on Nov 16, 2002 13:28:20 GMT -5
Everyone is hoping that Demers takes over because he is better the nnothing and right now the Hab's have NOTHING.
But, I don't want Demers. He is not elite enough and smart enough. I always consider him a run of the mill but competent coach.
WHAT ABOUT GAINEY? GAiney and Robinson........get my heart pills.
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 16, 2002 13:35:31 GMT -5
Bob wants to be a GM...no?
and you could be assured we would see a monster trap with him at the helm..still better than what we have now though...
Does Gainey speak some french? I know Larry does..
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Post by UberCranky on Nov 16, 2002 13:40:49 GMT -5
Wow Demers' name is popping out everywhere...isn't Jacques a heart trouble patient? wouldn't his heart explode with such a job? But I agree with all the criteria's Doc put out. HA loves Hitch but he has developed few if any young players in Dallas . Marc, Read what Hitch is like as a coach. Do a net search and when you are finished with it then you will understand. He is a Bowman clone as far as desciplin and expectations. It's just that bowman had better teams early in his career. I have watched him in a few games and trust me, he is an elite coach. Him, Lemaire, Queinville (sp) and then the rest. BTW, who do you think terrorized Audettes little mind and drove the puke nuts? We don't have a Modano here to complain about how tough the coach is. We have replaceable junk that can be tossed out in the trash and no one will pick them up. NO ONE. Doc, All Hitch had to say is that he will start taking lessons. A year or two later no one would care what he spoke because the product on the ice would speak for him. Not unless of course you think that anyone other then Lemaire is his equall.
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 16, 2002 13:45:58 GMT -5
HA where did I say Hitch sucked? He is a great coach, but when it comes to developing young players, it's not his forte. BTW the french speaking fans are calling for MT's head as well: www.rds.ca/canadien/chroniques/HOCKEYLNHCAN3DD5B781.htmlmost of the comments say what we are saying...now we need a columnist or two to call for his head and the Habs will do it..
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