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Post by Viper on Nov 13, 2002 17:18:31 GMT -5
That again seems to be our biggest weakness this year. The other night we jump out to a 3 nothing lead(albeit against a kings team that was in the second of back to back nights) then hang on for the win. Last night we fall down 3 to nothing only to see a late flurry to tie the game thwarted in the final minute's. All of our 4 ties have been blown leads (at least three anyway) and in our losses the effort has been either non existent or very minimal.
We really haven't flat out beaten a team as a team unless you count the ranger game on opening night and this is a major concern. On one hand we can be very positive this team is a game above 500 and still hasn't found it's groove yet. On the other hand someone paying attention will know they've been searching for it since a certain coach took over behind the bench. If MT can't rah rah siss boom bah these guy's into a 60 minute solid effort i really don't think he'll ever be able to get them to play a 60 minute systematically structured game plan.
I said this once before and i'll say it again i wish our goaltending wasn't so heroic it is making this team more and more frustrating to watch because as long as we are average the need for change or adjustment's become less obvious than they really are.
And i'm really growing weary of these insignificant pick ups in the form's of Bouillon, the extra soft winger additions of Audette, Cerkawski, berezin, The super idea of sitting Bulis who has been one of our most consistent forward's all year. I'm showing my impatience again i suspect but i want something big to happen even if it means sacrificing a prospect in the form of a hainsey or Komi. We need to fill the size need up front somehow and remove some deadweight even if it means buyout's or the acquisition of mid to late pic's. Stockpile pics like gold and fill the farm with talent until it's spilling over the sides.
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 13, 2002 17:28:10 GMT -5
but i want something big to happen even if it means sacrificing a prospect in the form of a hainsey or Komi. We need to fill the size need up front somehow and remove some deadweight even if it means buyout's or the acquisition of mid to late pic's. A big NO!!!Hainsey-Komi-Markov are going nowhere unless we get Joe Thornton or Gaborik in return. Deal a Hossa or a Balej or a Milroy...good but not great prospects...but not the 3 studs on D. Look at Dallas...in 5 years we could have a big 3 like that!
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Post by Viper on Nov 13, 2002 17:49:49 GMT -5
MP obviously i'm expecting something significant with that kind of potential on the table. You gotta give to get they say. Kinda like it takes money to make money. I'm just frustrated watching this crap hockey team get bailed out by it's goalie's night after night or just lose like they deserve to. the fact that we are above 500 is nothing short of miraculous after some of the effort's this team has put forward and got the W in.
It's hard to watch especially after reading an article like the one Jack Todd wrote that reminds me of what could've been. Turgeon, Recchi, damphousee, Thornton, Tucker, Cassels, Chelios, Brashear(who would look a hell of a lot better out there than Blouin)Leclair, Conroy, and 30 year old Turner Stevensen we're all part of our system in one way shape or form and they were lost via free agency trade or whatever. What we have now to show for all that talent is well excuse me i'm gonna go before i cry.
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Post by montreal on Nov 13, 2002 18:42:29 GMT -5
MP obviously i'm expecting something significant with that kind of potential on the table. You gotta give to get they say. Kinda like it takes money to make money. I'm just frustrated watching this crap hockey team get bailed out by it's goalie's night after night or just lose like they deserve to. the fact that we are above 500 is nothing short of miraculous after some of the effort's this team has put forward and got the W in. It's hard to watch especially after reading an article like the one Jack Todd wrote that reminds me of what could've been. Turgeon, Recchi, damphousee, Thornton, Tucker, Cassels, Chelios, Brashear(who would look a hell of a lot better out there than Blouin)Leclair, Conroy, and 30 year old Turner Stevensen we're all part of our system in one way shape or form and they were lost via free agency trade or whatever. What we have now to show for all that talent is well excuse me i'm gonna go before i cry. Viper, sorry but your living in a dream world. Turgeon asked to be traded. Recchi turned down a contact with us, Tucker's a joke, Thornton wasn't very good here. LeClair shouldn't have been traded along with Chelios, but what can we do about those mistakes. I for one was pissed when we traded Desjardiens. And you might as well add Roy to the list since Turgeon is there. Jack Todd is not a very good writer. Yes we lost our top end players, and we can blame this guy or that guy, but the fact remains, they are gone, and now we have to make do with what we got. As for Blouin, its a very minor move that means next to nothing. Last year was great the way they battled at the end of the season and won some games in the playoffs. Who knows what will happen to this team, its only half way through Novemeber, but either way, we are a lot better then we were just a few years ago.
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Post by JohnnyVerdun on Nov 13, 2002 19:16:14 GMT -5
I have to agree with Mplabboratory. I say "no" to moving any of those guys. This team is not the kind of team you move that kind of youth in order to help. If this team falters, so be it. If you can move one of Audette, Hackett, maybe Dykhuis or Quintal, absolutely, but I wouldn't even go so far as to trade Kilger in an attempt to stop the bleeding if we go into a 12 game tailspin. To me, the guys from the current roster that I want to see in two years (aside from the obvious ones like Theo, Koivu et al) are Kilger, Bulis, Markov, Rivet and Souray. Even if we're 3 games out of 8th as the deadline approaches, and heading south, I wouldn't give up these guys for someone anywhere near long in the tooth (over 28).
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 13, 2002 20:33:45 GMT -5
The only way for us to get players like Damhousse and Turgeon(talent wise) again is for AS to rob them out of some cheap organization or we develop them
Corson+spares for Damphousse? what a trade that was and would still be today
Muller+Schneider for Turgeon and Malakhov? another great trade
Deals like that. Like getting Lecavalier would have been, like getting a Chris Gratton could be, like almost getting Linden for Bertuzzi 3 years ago,etc
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Post by HFTO on Nov 13, 2002 21:59:34 GMT -5
You're right JV no matter how bad we long for our fortunes to change it isn't going to happen plain and simple. This team simply has drafted poorly over the last decade and the cupboard was bare. We slowly are seeing some hope on the horizon.Savard has made us respectable enough to battle for a playoff spot and for now thats the best we can ask for no matter how ugly they look. The hope is that our crop of youngsters are able to step in over the next couple of years to compliment Koivu and Zednik etc. Because I live in Toronto I'm lost in a sea of blue and I see the Leaf fans haven't figured out that they too have drafted poorly and they have nothing on the farm besides Coliacavo and Boyes.They have built there team on UFA's and now that they are aging they have little to offer in terms of trade value. In terms of prospects were far ahead and will have to suffer until the time is right to jump into the UFA market.Our time will come when we can go out and sign a UFA or make a trade once we have built a prospect pool. Colorado and Detroit simply haven't just signed UFA's they have developed stars from within and they suffered just as we are.I hate waiting but our time is coming. HFTO
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 13, 2002 22:04:38 GMT -5
I agre...drafting is so huge in any sport and when you suck at it for years it comes back to bite you in the butt.
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Post by seventeen on Nov 14, 2002 2:26:33 GMT -5
Enter, enter. I see you have come to Swami to seek the answer to your most pressing concerns. Sit, sit...right here in front of my all-seeing, all-knowing crystal ball. No....don't speak. I know why you are here. You love the Habs. They are the centre of your universe and you wish to help them. I am concentrating. The pain....it is almost too much. Wait!....there...a break in the fog. I see....I see a trade, yes a trade. It involves your Habs and, and.....the Boston Bears. Is it Bears? No, Bruins. Sorry, I am not a sports fan. I see a transfer sheet. It is a list of people...transferred to Boston. The list reads...it is swirling, wait,now it is coalescing.....yes, much clearer now....Karl Dykhuis, Stephane Quintal, Donald Audette, Oleg Petrov and Michel Therrien. Does that answer your question? You do not seem satisfied. Have I forgotten something? Of course!....this is an exchange. Your Habs must get something, correct? Let me look again, more carefully now. Concentration. Concentration. Ahhh....yes, another transfer sheet. And do I see a name? Nothing. It is a blank sheet. Of course! You add by subtracting! You dispose of things you do not need and in itself and of itself, improvement results! Brilliant! The crystal ball is so smart and is never wrong. You wish to borrow the ball? Andre who? No, my son, I am afraid you will have to convince him. The ball only works for me. Five dollars please. Thank you.
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Post by Viper on Nov 14, 2002 11:29:17 GMT -5
Viper, sorry but your living in a dream world. Turgeon asked to be traded. Recchi turned down a contact with us, Tucker's a joke, Thornton wasn't very good here. LeClair shouldn't have been traded along with Chelios, but what can we do about those mistakes. I for one was pissed when we traded Desjardiens. And you might as well add Roy to the list since Turgeon is there. Jack Todd is not a very good writer. Yes we lost our top end players, and we can blame this guy or that guy, but the fact remains, they are gone, and now we have to make do with what we got. As for Blouin, its a very minor move that means next to nothing. Last year was great the way they battled at the end of the season and won some games in the playoffs. Who knows what will happen to this team, its only half way through Novemeber, but either way, we are a lot better then we were just a few years ago. i do not deny any of what your saying but it's still horribly sad that we are left with this after having at one time all of that. Dream world yes of course can't change what is but hindsight is 20 20 they say and looking back hurt's especially considering what happened to the franchise. all is better now as things are much improved i'm just too impatien to wait out the end result's. And as a matter of fact have become more and more doubtful their is gonna be a good one. MY fence was clearly painted in AS's corner but now it's beaten and worn from salt truck's
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Post by Viper on Nov 14, 2002 11:35:06 GMT -5
I have to agree with Mplabboratory. I say "no" to moving any of those guys. This team is not the kind of team you move that kind of youth in order to help. If this team falters, so be it. If you can move one of Audette, Hackett, maybe Dykhuis or Quintal, absolutely, but I wouldn't even go so far as to trade Kilger in an attempt to stop the bleeding if we go into a 12 game tailspin. To me, the guys from the current roster that I want to see in two years (aside from the obvious ones like Theo, Koivu et al) are Kilger, Bulis, Markov, Rivet and Souray. Even if we're 3 games out of 8th as the deadline approaches, and heading south, I wouldn't give up these guys for someone anywhere near long in the tooth (over 28). I am just speculating and showing my impatience here gang. The suggestion i made was as such ( i did mention this in the origonal post. ) Anyhow regarding your list JV i'd only think Souray is movable (injury prone IMO) if we can get something half decent in return go for it. It wouldn't be a bad thing to keep him but with Komi Hainsey Markov Rivet he's expendable.
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 14, 2002 11:42:04 GMT -5
Viper, keep the faith dude.
We are on the right track...year 5 of AS's plan(this is year 2 by the way) still looks bright, the only question is if year 2(this year) and year 3 will be playoff years. Because in year 4, half of this team(Hackett, Quintal, Dykhuis, Gilmour, Chow, Perreault, Juneau, Dackell, McKay, Lindsay, Blouin, Petrov and maybe more) will be gone and we will have(my estimations) almost 25 million $$ to play with it just with those contracts off the books.
The key right now is finding more ''core players''. We have the goalie, it looks like we have the defence, it's really up front we need that power forward type to complement Koivu and Zed!
Go Habs Go.
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Post by Viper on Nov 14, 2002 11:57:13 GMT -5
I live and Die with My habs MP right now i'm gasping for air with this mediocrity before AS took over i was taking on water in my lung's so i'm improving . Just that now that i have more oxygen in the brain i think and speculate on the how and why so frustration sets in. In a year or two i'll be swimming the length of the St. Lawrence i hope.
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