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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 10, 2002 22:29:07 GMT -5
They just lost 4-3 to the NASHVILLE PREDATORS They have yet to win on home ice, their special teams have been a mess. Roy is banged up but still, how does Nashville of all teams beat them? in their own rink? Their young talent doesn't seem to be producing(Reinprecht, Tanguay, Vrbata), Forsberg and Sakic can only do so much. Is Lacroix still a genius? will they rebound? That said, I love seeing them fail ;D Thoughts?
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Post by Ryan on Nov 10, 2002 22:37:55 GMT -5
I'm sure after writing this they will go on a 20 game tear where they score no less than 4 goals a game, but oh well...
The past few years when the Avs have been successful they've always had both highly talented forwards, but also hard-nosed grinders that do the work in the corners and in front of the net.
Claude Lemieux, Keith Jones, Chris Simon, Adam Deadmarsh, Chris Drury, Ville Niemenen, etc. All these guys complimented the skilled players very well and did the job that needs to be done.
Now their top 6 forwards are Sakic, Forsberg, Hejduk, Tanguay, Reinprecht, and Vrbata. Of those only Forsberg is even slightly interested in crashing the net, or banging in the corners and he's too valuable for that role. They're missing meat on their top lines, and right now they're paying for it.
Their defence is stacked, goaltending isn't a problem (assuming Patrick is healthy), but they have a little too much finesse up front.
This is why I have to believe the Isbister-Tanguay rumours must be true. They really need that type of muscle up front.
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 10, 2002 22:39:40 GMT -5
I agree and your forgot Mike Ricci.
But maybe the problems are with Hartley? you know he's been there for 4-5 years and that's usually when a team starts ''tunning out'' a coach...
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Post by Psycorp on Nov 10, 2002 22:41:35 GMT -5
I think the loss of Drury is hurting a lot more than they tought
Yes they have young talent to replace him but Drury could do it all, a very versatile player, penalty killing, powerplay, right wing, left wing, center, you name it
the players coming up are good and could replace what he brough offensively but in all other aspect of the game, forget about it.
With Yelle gone as well, thats a lot of defensive awardness gone at once.
On top of that, Drury was also a leader.
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Post by montreal on Nov 10, 2002 23:54:02 GMT -5
I think the loss of Drury is hurting a lot more than they tought Yes they have young talent to replace him but Drury could do it all, a very versatile player, penalty killing, powerplay, right wing, left wing, center, you name it the players coming up are good and could replace what he brough offensively but in all other aspect of the game, forget about it. With Yelle gone as well, thats a lot of defensive awardness gone at once. On top of that, Drury was also a leader. Well I think losing Yelle is hurting their PK. This is one team that I would expect to rebound, man are they loaded with talent. Tanguay might be heating up, he's scored in back to back games. Maybe they need a trade or something to wake them up. Not having a win at home is shocking though.
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Post by habernac on Nov 11, 2002 2:34:28 GMT -5
Lacroix keeps trading away the "heart and soul" type players like Nolan, Ricci, Deadmarsh and Drury for short term help. The Patrick Roy deal was the last good trade this guy made. He gave away Brian Rolston to rent Ray Bourque for a little over a season. He traded Robyn Regehr to rent Fleury for a few months. Niemenen went to Pittsburgh to rent a usueless Kasparitis for a month or two. Nolan for Ozolinsh is another bad one. Ricci was traded for the pick that brought them Tanguay and Shean Donovan. Would you do that one again? I sure wouldn't. The latest deal from Pierre sent Drury and Yelle to the Flames for a very unproven Derek Morris. Drury was loved by his teammates and now Colorado is missing the guy who scores clutch goals. He recently got the game winners for Calgary two games in a row. Did I mention he leads the team in scoring as well? Lacroix still has two of the leagues best forwards, but that doesn't matter much when they have no supporting cast (not to mention Aebischer's poor play as of late). They're beginning a downward spiral. Lets see how loyal the fanbase is when they start losing consistently....
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 11, 2002 8:26:36 GMT -5
I was looking all the deals he made last night and like Habernac says alot of deals that don't look so good now and it's coming back to hurt them.
If they hadn't drafted so well, they would have been in major trouble.
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Post by UberCranky on Nov 11, 2002 9:47:15 GMT -5
Never cry about the Av's. They are doing badly now but as soon as we trade Theo to them for some scrubs, they will be right back on top.
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Post by 24andcounting on Nov 11, 2002 10:37:57 GMT -5
Never cry about the Av's. They are doing badly now but as soon as we trade Theo to them for some scrubs, they will be right back on top. A point well taken. Any game now, I'm expecting Theo to storm MT at the bench and say "This is my last game facing 40+ shots EVER", which of course really means "this is my last game in Montreal".
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 11, 2002 12:35:38 GMT -5
LOL!
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Post by HFTO on Nov 11, 2002 17:18:44 GMT -5
Why are you guys worrying about the Avalanche? Ther're going to win the cup Roy will retire then we'll trade Theo to them next November! HFTO
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Post by Pam on Nov 11, 2002 19:37:40 GMT -5
Nolan and Ricci were traded to San Jose several years ago (6?), so I really don't think we can say those trades hurt the Avs. I was very surprised when they traded Drury though and I was sure they would live to regret the trade. I hope they don't make the same mistake with Tanguay. I'm not too concerned with the Avs. They will bounce back and we will be wishing they were back where they are now - losing alot.
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 11, 2002 19:53:23 GMT -5
Nolan in 1995-96
Ricci? I think in 1997-98..
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Post by Pam on Nov 11, 2002 20:06:59 GMT -5
Yep, because it was before the Avs won the Cup. SJ traded Sandis for Owen and then they won the Cup. Everyone thought the Avs won that deal, but it turned out the Sharks were the real winner in that deal. Ricci? I think in 1997-98.. It was after the Avs won the Cup in 1996, but I can't remember if it was 96/97 or 97/98. I don't even remember who they traded to the Avs for Ricci, but the Sharks won that one too unless my memory is failing me. I don't remember anyone on the Avs roster as being with the Sharks. I still couldn't stand the Sharks at that time, so it's possible it was an even trade. I would have to be reminded who the Sharks sent to the Avs for Ricci to know if the Sharks won the deal or it was even.
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 11, 2002 20:16:40 GMT -5
It was after the Avs won the Cup in 1996, but I can't remember if it was 96/97 or 97/98. I don't even remember who they traded to the Avs for Ricci, but the Sharks won that one too unless my memory is failing me. I don't remember anyone on the Avs roster as being with the Sharks. I still couldn't stand the Sharks at that time, so it's possible it was an even trade. I would have to be reminded who the Sharks sent to the Avs for Ricci to know if the Sharks won the deal or it was even. The draft pick(1st rounder in 1998) that gave the Avs Alex Tanguay and Shean Donovan went to Colorado. The trade happened in early 1997-98. Great deal for the Sharks getting a gritty in your face talented leader who was like 25 back then for a 1st rounder.
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Post by Habsfunk on Nov 12, 2002 1:45:58 GMT -5
I was looking all the deals he made last night and like Habernac says alot of deals that don't look so good now and it's coming back to hurt them. If they hadn't drafted so well, they would have been in major trouble. THey did win two Stanley Cups fairly recently and have won their division eight years running. I would say that they're doing just fine, although Lacroix doesn't have much room to maneouvre anymore.
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Post by Pam on Nov 12, 2002 2:49:30 GMT -5
The draft pick(1st rounder in 1998) that gave the Avs Alex Tanguay and Shean Donovan went to Colorado. The trade happened in early 1997-98. Great deal for the Sharks getting a gritty in your face talented leader who was like 25 back then for a 1st rounder. Thanks Marc, I couldn't remember. Even now I don't pay a whole lot of attention to what they do.
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 12, 2002 9:26:59 GMT -5
THey did win two Stanley Cups fairly recently and have won their division eight years running. I would say that they're doing just fine, although Lacroix doesn't have much room to maneouvre anymore. Yeah I guess the 2 cups were worth trading Nolan, Thibeault, Rucinsky, Kovalenko, Ricci, Rolston,etc
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