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Post by UberCranky on Nov 10, 2002 14:51:44 GMT -5
This is a very interesting article translated by mr. bozo. Normally I would not want to take up a thread but this is worth it because it has many possibilities for discussion. I'm waiting for BadOne to come out of the woodwork and say that he knew Travesty was great all along. Meanwhile, in the Hab's showers a squicky voice is singing "a Green clone I'yam, I'yam, yeees I'yam"..................."I'm no ham, just a Green clone I'yam, I'yam, yeees I'yam"...................... Please God, help me hold my sanity. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ citadel6.ezboard.com/fmontrealcanadiensfrm1.showMessage?topicID=183.topic~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Michel Blanchard La Presse Ribeiro, Hainsey and Garon to Hamilton, there's really no surprise there. But Lindros to Montreal, that's another thing. At $2,700,000 per season, $100,000 less than Yanic Perreault, $300,000 less than Donald Audette, barely $100,000 more than Mariusz Czerkawski, Lindros is not expensive, is he? André Savard almost chokes. "You won't get me going down that road. Lindros, Lindros, don't we have enough centres?" - If you could get him? If the monetary question didn't exist, would Lindros interest you? Savard, who is accustomed to weighing each of his words carefully and who avoids controversy like the plague, seems a little shaken. "Listen, it's not my business what happens with Lindros. We have other priorities." - If Lindros were available, taking into account all that we know about him, would you go after him, yes or no? "No." - You wouldn't pursue Lindros? "Listen, I don't want to get into it. I know that you spoke about it this week, but I repeat to you that we have enough centres." So, if we understand the general manager of the Canadiens, like several readers suggested, he wouldn't approach Lindros with a 20 foot pole. Too bad. It would have been very exciting... *** - Aside from that? "We knew at the beginning of the season that we would have to fight for a playoff spot and that's exactly what is happening. There is indeed parity in the league. We played very well on the road. We beat Detroit, we beat New York and we beat Toronto. For some reason that I'm unaware of, we aren't as good at home. - Talk to me a little about Donald Audette. "Audette doesn't have anything to prove. We're talking here about an established player." - Tell me about his work ethic. We saw little of it Thursday. "Let's say that I'll leave that to the coach. It's up to Audette to redouble his effort. He was seriously injured last year." - He was injured, but when he returned to play, in the post-season, he did well nevertheless, right? "Yes, he did well." - So? "Listen, Audette isn't at his best right now, but I'm sure that he'll find his game, as he always has." *** Ron Hainsey took the road to Hamilton, which is not surprising. However, at the beginning of the season the Canadiens expected much from him. When one examines his play since September, it's clear that there's confusion in his mind. Hainsey has the assets necessary to be a success in the NHL. Still, Thursday I watched him with Traverse and he gave the impression of being completely lost. Always out of position, always between a rock and a hard place. Wondering what to do and where to go. On the ice, Hainsey was like a rabid dog. This stay in Hamilton will only do him a lot of good and put some humility, of which he has a great need, in his heart.
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Post by UberCranky on Nov 10, 2002 14:51:59 GMT -5
That brings us to Patrick Traverse. If ever anybody was harsh towards him, it was me. Traverse seems to be always intimidated and lacking confidence in his ability. However, against the Islanders he was impressive. He hit the post on a beautiful play. And when he was used on the penalty kill he did well, energetically clearing the front of the net. Could it be that Traverse will become the player that André Savard saw when he traded for him? It will be necessary to wait a little before deciding. But nonetheless, in his case one sees a little light at the end of the tunnel. Traverse has a timid temperament and, like all big shy people, he needs time. Perhaps the departures of Bouillon, Robidas and now Hainsey will finally help him flourish. Unquestionably, with his physique - six feet four inches, 210 pounds - his long reach, speed and the skill he has controlling the puck in the offensive zone, Traverse can end up asserting himself. It's something we wish for him. *** And now, a little Ribeiro. A few years ago, Richard Liboiron, coach of Montreal-Bourassa in the Midget AAA League, had spoken to me at length about Mike Ribeiro, whom he had the great pleasure of coaching for a couple of years. Liboiron had praised his talent and emphasized his burning desire to succeed. He said of Ribeiro that, in spite of his small size, nobody in the NHL would manage to intimidate him and that he had seldom seen an athlete exhibit such a beautiful team spirit. Liboiron spoke the truth. Interviewed on television last week, Ribeiro was devilishly impressive. OK, we all know that he was injured before the season even began, that he started practicing ten days ago and that he'll soon be ready to jump into the fray. When he was asked whether he was in a hurry to play again, Ribeiro, only 22, showed exemplary wisdom and presence of mind. "The team, he said then, is unbeaten their last four games and I don't know if it's a good time to insert my name into the lineup. Right now it's a little crowded at centre. I have no objection to playing a few weeks in Hamilton, to give the team some breathing room." That, my friends, can seem like a banal declaration, but what it shows me is the maturity of the young centre. Isn't that a long way from the ice time required by Gilmour to be happy? For Ribeiro it really is the team above all. These words are said with sincerity, in spite of the burning desire that he has to finally show the Canadiens' fans what he is capable of. He, who was brilliant during the last camp, truly impressed me. You will not want me, I hope, to raise my hat too high to him. *** Patrice Brisebois is right when he says that "the way you win means little as long as you win." OK, the Islanders-Canadiens game last Thursday will not pass into the history books, but one is forced to admit that it must be quite difficult to play against the Islanders, whose play is centered almost exclusively on defense. But in this game the Islanders launched 42 shots at Theodore; the Canadiens had 21 on Chris Osgood. Misleading figures since the number of shots allowed means little. In fact chances to score are more important. In this area, the Canadiens had 15; Islanders, 18. After the game, Michel Therrien said of Donald Audette, left by the wayside for the four preceding matches, that he had given a decent performance. Don't believe it. Therrien quite simply wanted to protect his player. In reality, Audette stunk. In his first presence on the rink he had his bell rung by Dave Scatchard. After that we didn't see him much. Audette was used for nine minutes and 19 seconds, including four minutes and 45 seconds on the power play. But that's nothing. That's no problem, but Audette didn't have a single shot on goal, didn't do anything worthwhile and, worse, showed little enthusiasm. No assists, no goals in nine games, the enigma of Donald Audette thus remains whole and untarnished. Up to you to solve it. Go, have a good end of the weekend. www.cyberpresse.ca/reseau/chroniqueurs/mblanchard/mbla_102110155779.html
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 10, 2002 15:00:44 GMT -5
I posted the link in the press review thread.
Can you tell Blanchard already hates Hainsey? go kiss Frankie Bouillon's azz jerk and no we don't want the big Loser.
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Post by UberCranky on Nov 10, 2002 15:06:14 GMT -5
I posted the link in the press review thread. Can you tell Blanchard already hates Hainsey? go kiss Frankie Bouillon's azz jerk and no we don't want the big Loser. Yes, I know Marc. There is enough content to start a discussion in here and that is the only reason I brought it up. Threads with content. That is very important when we only have 20 slots for threads (before they "hide" in the second page). Lindors to Montreal? Discuss.
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 10, 2002 15:08:13 GMT -5
This morning when I read it I said ''hey that would be good material for the board'' but I forgot about it..so yeah nice job bringing it back
and as I said before
NO LINDROS!!!
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Post by zenseeker on Nov 10, 2002 15:52:53 GMT -5
Why not? He's no more injury prone then some of our players? He would also solve alot of our problems upfront, not to mention playing in Montreal I think would spark him.
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Post by montreal on Nov 10, 2002 16:23:14 GMT -5
HA- thanks for the posts they were a good read. Very interesting. About Traverse, it's not that hard. He's played better then Hainsey. Hainsey is young (21) and is on a 2 way contract, so he goes, Traverse plays for now. Souray wont be back for somewhere around 8 weeks, so it will be interesting to see how things pan out. I like Hainsey a lot, but I have no problem with him in Hamilton. Traverse, I was very harsh towards (after all in 25 games he played last year, not one of them was good) but I have to say he has been good. He's a 7th defencemen in the NHL that is playing like a 5th-6th, maybe better, as he has had some good moments. He still has a lot to improve on, but I now must reconsider Savard's trading for Traverse. Patrick's best days were in Ottawa, so Savard must have seen something, that Traverse kept hidden for most of his stay in Habland. Or maybe at 28 with his strange body/skills he is just coming into his own?
I am a big fan of Ribs, and I look forward to see what he can do for the team. He has a lot of areas he has to improve on, but at 22, theres still a lot of time for him to do it.
Lindros, I wouldn't go after. Yes he would give us great size up the middle, but I have not liked big E since his draft days. He plays a dirty game, as he gives lots of cheapshots, and his play is up and down. Its not like I would be pissed off if we got him, but I would not try and acquire him, his health is also a concern.
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 10, 2002 16:26:34 GMT -5
Is there a player with Traverse's build in the NHL(not named Dykhuis..LOL)?
Was that player a late bloomer as well?
I'll admit I had totally given up on the guy. Now if he could just add some weight to his upper body he could really be a solid NHL d-man.
The more depth, the better. And it probably will mean goodbye Dykhuis(or at least to the pressbox) sooner rather than later. Cuz right now Traverse is showing something Dykhuis doesn't show(a good 1st pass).
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Post by montreal on Nov 10, 2002 16:44:07 GMT -5
Is there a player with Traverse's build in the NHL(not named Dykhuis..LOL)? Was that player a late bloomer as well? I'll admit I had totally given up on the guy. Now if he could just add some weight to his upper body he could really be a solid NHL d-man. The more depth, the better. And it probably will mean goodbye Dykhuis(or at least to the pressbox) sooner rather than later. Cuz right now Traverse is showing something Dykhuis doesn't show(a good 1st pass). Good point about Dykhuis being a late bloomer, and I agree Dykhuis can't pass to save his life and Traverse can make a decent pass. I would also like to thank mr. bozo for the translation. My french isn't very good so it makes life a lot easier for me. If this is the same mr. bozo that was at fanhome.com, then I really owe a lot of thanks, cause over the summer there were a lot of great articles that were translated, and I am very grateful.
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 10, 2002 16:49:57 GMT -5
yeah mr bozo also posts here
btw I never said Dykhuis was the late bloomer, I said does anyone know a player with similar size(and weight) to Traverse who is not named Dykhuis and became a late bloomer?
As far as I am concerned, Dykhuis is a major underachiever. He was a high 1st round pick, has size, speed and a decent shot. He should be a much better player than he is
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Post by montreal on Nov 10, 2002 17:15:05 GMT -5
yeah mr bozo also posts here btw I never said Dykhuis was the late bloomer, I said does anyone know a player with similar size(and weight) to Traverse who is not named Dykhuis and became a late bloomer? As far as I am concerned, Dykhuis is a major underachiever. He was a high 1st round pick, has size, speed and a decent shot. He should be a much better player than he is My bad, I misunderstood. Dykhuis to me is a late bloomer. He was wavier wire material back in his days in philly/tampa. I don't think he's very skilled, but he has come a long way from his days in philly, to be on our top defencive pairing. For him being a 1st round pick, shows that it took him a long time to get it together. Yes he should be better for being a 1st rounder (I didn't know that, wow a 1st rounder, yikes) but hopefully he picks it up some. Dykhuis is at his best when you don't notice him.
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 10, 2002 17:20:50 GMT -5
Yup, 16th overall in 1990. A Hawks pick: www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php3?pid=1510Those numbers in Philly are Dykhuisesque so he's probably been like this his whole NHL career. In 1999-2000 he was pushed out of the lineup by a FA signing(Richardson I believe) and that's why we got him
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Post by jerry_dog on Nov 10, 2002 17:45:40 GMT -5
Call me crazy but I thought this was a Lindros thread. Aquiring the big e by trade would only serve to weaken the Habs and strengthen the Rags. That said, it would no doubt be savvy from a marketing perspective. Although I agree he tends to the nasty / cheap shot / dirty play routinely, isn't it interesting how if Gilmour or Zednik were to do the same we would comment enthusiastically on their grit and tenacity. Perspective and point of view I guess. Petrov, Traverse and Audette for Lindros and a 2nd. We cut almost $2.4M, open up two roster spots and the Rags get things they desparately need. Sather can kinda spin it like a 3 for one to fill in needed ares now so he doesn't lose face completely and the Bonnie and Carl show won't survive fir 5 minutes with the Montreal media and fans.
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Post by M. Beaux-Eaux on Nov 10, 2002 18:24:39 GMT -5
I would also like to thank mr. bozo for the translation. My french isn't very good so it makes life a lot easier for me. If this is the same mr. bozo that was at fanhome.com, then I really owe a lot of thanks, cause over the summer there were a lot of great articles that were translated, and I am very grateful. Thanks for the compliment, and you're entirely welcome. I translate the articles for a couple of reasons: 1) to provide some good information on our favorite team to those who don't understand French, and 2) as a way of practicing and improving my comprehension of la langue française. Btw, I now go under the handle "Habsinthe" over at FanHome.
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Post by montreal on Nov 10, 2002 18:33:17 GMT -5
Thanks for the compliment, and you're entirely welcome. I translate the articles for a couple of reasons: 1) to provide some good information on our favorite team to those who don't understand French, and 2) as a way of practicing and improving my comprehension of la langue française. Btw, I now go under the handle "Habsinthe" over at FanHome. Thats good to know. I never posted at fanhome, but I would read your posts, as its so much easier to read a translated article, cause there's a lot of words I don't understand and it takes me forever to get through one article. I usually just post at HF, but I now post here as well, as the envirionment is better then HF's. I was going to sign up to the new fanhome, but my username "montreal" is taken, and I'm too lazy to think of another.
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 10, 2002 18:34:40 GMT -5
Call me crazy but I thought this was a Lindros thread. well the article mentionned Traverse and then me and Montreal talked about Dykhuis because we compared him to Traverse...
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Post by 24andcounting on Nov 10, 2002 21:00:43 GMT -5
Lindros? Are you kidding me HA? I assume this is only your suggestion for a conversation piece but that you'd be against it as well.
My contempt for Lindros aside, we all remember that he wouldn't play for Quebec when he was drafted. Just said "no". Well, I don't see that mixing well in Montreal. Where there is no language issue in Quebec (French dominates off course), I could see an absolute media crucification if he ever came here....
But his size sure is tempting. And it was already mentioned -- he's no more brittle than the rest of our team, and certainly quite affordable. His history (attitude, not injury) aside, I would trade Perrault for him in a heartbeat.
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Post by Psycorp on Nov 10, 2002 22:03:13 GMT -5
Bringing Lindros would be the worst marketing move in habs history
When Quebec lost it's team, there was a lot fans out there on quest for another team, of course Montréal was out the question, there was this bitter rivalry, profound hatred for their ennemies from the other side of the 20 highway.
over the time, habs management slowly but surely went on quest to bring these fans to cheer for the Canadiens. Time passes and quebecers are getting used to have only one team. we gain more fans little by little.
Bringing Lindros would simply destroy all the work already done, do you think we forgot what happened Between Lindros and the Quebec Nordiques?
That would be like the ultimate insult, and the automatic loss of a lot of fans
Je me souviens...
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Post by UberCranky on Nov 10, 2002 23:36:32 GMT -5
Lindros? Are you kidding me HA? I assume this is only your suggestion for a conversation piece but that you'd be against it as well. Lindros? Of course I’m all for it. I have read at least twelve articles where he said that his dream was to play for the Hab’s. In fact, Momma Lindros said her son would donate half his salary to the St. Joseph’s Oratory while using the other half to help needy trollops on the west of the St. Lawrence. Meanwhile, back on the ice, Lindros claims that the intricately embroidered jockstrap that he is wearing has helped him concentrate and focus on the job. No word as to where this mysterious cup came from other then a cryptic, “hands of the devoted Lindrians”. It’s all dark and mysterious. *shrug* I say we trade for him and offer him to the Leaf Lindrians where they would pay more handsomely then kidnapped Mexican drug dealers. In fact, we can tattoo on his back the parade route up Yonge Street right next to his “I love Mommy and Daddy” tattoos. That, in itself will be worth an extra 2 first rounder. In fact, Quinn-Quinn, the brilliant bipedal descendent of Rin-Tin-Tin, has smelled a trade coming and has offered all the draft choices to the year 2125, give or take a decade. Plus, future considerations. When asked why he would pay such a high price, he was heard barking that “Lindros? Lindros will give us a cup”. Mighty high price for some embroidery, I say. Does that answer your question?
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Post by 24andcounting on Nov 11, 2002 10:40:17 GMT -5
Lindros? Of course I’m all for it. I have read at least twelve articles where he said that his dream was to play for the Hab’s. In fact, Momma Lindros said her son would donate half his salary to the St. Joseph’s Oratory while using the other half to help needy trollops on the west of the St. Lawrence. Meanwhile, back on the ice, Lindros claims that the intricately embroidered jockstrap that he is wearing has helped him concentrate and focus on the job. No word as to where this mysterious cup came from other then a cryptic, “hands of the devoted Lindrians”. It’s all dark and mysterious. *shrug* I say we trade for him and offer him to the Leaf Lindrians where they would pay more handsomely then kidnapped Mexican drug dealers. In fact, we can tattoo on his back the parade route up Yonge Street right next to his “I love Mommy and Daddy” tattoos. That, in itself will be worth an extra 2 first rounder. In fact, Quinn-Quinn, the brilliant bipedal descendent of Rin-Tin-Tin, has smelled a trade coming and has offered all the draft choices to the year 2125, give or take a decade. Plus, future considerations. When asked why he would pay such a high price, he was heard barking that “Lindros? Lindros will give us a cup”. Mighty high price for some embroidery, I say. Does that answer your question? If I could keep this going with something equally as witty, I'd try, but I don't quite have the gift Your point is well taken.
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Post by Raven on Nov 11, 2002 12:28:26 GMT -5
Eric, Eric, Eric...
Take tiny tiny little Audette outta here and bring in Lindros would mean gaining size upfront (which everyone complains we don't have) it would also make us younger and last but not least, it would save us cash. Lindros would also produce more than Audette ever will at this point of his career. As for room in the lineup. Dump Mr. Gilmour and that'll give you room at center and save you even more money. He's gonna retire after this year anyway. Leave him finish the year here and have a 5 man rotation at center or move some guys to the wing (Gilmour is already on the wing) and bring the big guy in. It's a solid move.
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 11, 2002 12:29:39 GMT -5
You'll never get Lindros for Audette....
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