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Post by Viper on Nov 8, 2002 1:02:16 GMT -5
period one 11 to 4 period two 13 to 7 third period 18 to 10
we killed off 4 penalties in the first 13 minutes not an easy task keeping the shot total's down when doing that and even harder to get our own shot's which is why we never got any (except the fluke bounce for a goal ) until we got our own powerplay chance late in the period. Second period we killed off two penalties and had no PP time ourselves and got outshot by 5 the isles really never owned the play but controlled the period because of the inability for us to mount an attack when killing a penalty every 5 minutes a little momentum is ended when putting out the PK unit. Third period we had a 2 goal lead and managed 10 shot's while giving up 18 this was by far our best period even though we gave up the most shot's but what would you expect to happen when up by two. The isles we're shooting from everywhere hoping to catch a break. It look's bad by the final count but is not indicitive of the situation. We we're not outplayed tonight at all just don't shoot the puck enough. I've always been a believer that the shot clock is not a critical stat by any means it's important to keep the shot's down but if the vast majority of the shot's are from odd angle's or a good distance away while the defender's or goaltender control rebound's and keep a clear sightline for the goalie It's no big Deal When we are getting pummelled in the scoring chance's department that worries me especially on the night's when the goalie is forced to make alot of huge saves. Nights like this one leave me laughing at people who think we really played horrible and didn't deserve to win. I think tonight was just fine considering the fact we killed 7 powerplay's we should've been outshot by a few anyhow. When you take a 2 goal lead into the third period you can't really expect to have the other team roll over and die on you either.
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Post by larek on Nov 8, 2002 1:30:25 GMT -5
We are getting outplayed by a fairly wide margin in almost every game,on the road or at home(I can at least see it on the road but not at home)If this keeps going like this,mark my words there will be NO PLAYOFFS this year,its simple to see, getting out shot by 2 to 1 in alot of games usually means you are getting outplayed and when this happens for a prolonged time(ALL YEAR)then bad things happen and your waiting till next year!So it doesnt help to come up with a Blind explanation thats shots dont matter,HABS are playing well besides getting badly outplayed and the goaltenders coming up with magic to win the game or tie or keep us in the game!
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Post by Viper on Nov 8, 2002 1:40:25 GMT -5
Jose wasn't overly brilliant tonight there we're very few shot's that challenged him that was not a blind explanation that's how i see tonight's game. Yes there are alot of times the goalie saved our butt's and it has to stop but tonight wasn't really one of those night's IMO aside from a bunch of stupid penalties in the first and a couple more in the second it wasn't that bad of a game. Most of the shot's we're very easy stop's for even an average goalie.
All i'm saying is that the shot clock doesn't nesasarily mean we got outplayed by the significant margin it would portray. All thing's considered by myself make it easier to see why we got outshot like we did. It was a result of circumstances throughout the game as opposed to us just being horrible.
If not for the flurry of penalties to open the game by us some of which we're questionable at best you can easily knock at least 4 or 5 isles shots of the clock and add 4 or 5 more to our first period total. that would leave us getting outshot by around 10 or 12 not a big deal at all when leading for most of the night and defending a lead.
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Post by larek on Nov 8, 2002 1:52:41 GMT -5
If Theo had been playing for the Isles and Osgood had been with HABS tonight the score could have been 7 to 0 Isles!I will say it again,no matter what you classify as easy shots or not, being outshot 42 to 21 is not accaptable especially for the fans who pay good money to see these games,if this keeps up HABS will NOT make the playoffs and thats as simple as it gets!
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Post by Viper on Nov 8, 2002 2:04:25 GMT -5
If Theo had been playing for the Isles and Osgood had been with HABS tonight the score could have been 7 to 0 Isles!I will say it again,no matter what you classify as easy shots or not, being outshot 42 to 21 is not accaptable especially for the fans who pay good money to see these games,if this keeps up HABS will NOT make the playoffs and thats as simple as it gets! It's not that simple Larek there's a logical explanation for why we got outshot tonight and that's all i'm pointing out here. All i'm saying is if you look at the way the game transpired it makes alot of sense. Did we get outplayed tonight I don't think so. We caught a break on our goal's but that was long overdue considering some of the fluke bounces off shin pads and such that have been getting past Jose this year. In many of the other games played that we won it was our goalie who saved us but tonight it didn't. We spent to much time in the box (our penalty killing was excellent BTW )and we're defending a 2 goal lead in the second and third. If you expected us to mount a huge offensive attack while A: killing penalties half the night and B: having a 2 goal lead for almost 2 full periods you need to think again. The boys played a solid game tonight and the shot clock is not an indication of us getting outplayed by any mean's.
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Post by larek on Nov 8, 2002 2:09:02 GMT -5
If we would have got the exact 42 shots on net that the Isles got and Isles had out shots and we lost 3 to nothing you would not have the same point of view,in my opinion your opinion would be much different,you would have said that HABS outplayed and outshot the Isles but couldnt finish and couldnt get one past Osgood!And Theodore sucked!
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Post by Viper on Nov 8, 2002 2:16:40 GMT -5
firstly i really don't appreciate you trying to put words in my mouth that is not fair by any mean's. Secondly what about the way i analysed the evening's event's do you disagree with you have said that we got severely outplayed tonight because of the shot's on goal. I have stated why i feel that to be an unfair analysis due to fact's i have already pointed out regarding penalties and the defense of the lead for 2 full (almost) periods i am all for debating but if you want to trash talk take it to another board. If you would like to tell me why you believe we got severely outplayed by debating the points i've made that's fine i can handle that.
Give me some substance in your reasoning don't just say we got outplayed severely and expect me to go yup your right.
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Post by larek on Nov 8, 2002 2:24:41 GMT -5
All you had to do was watch the game to see who had the better of the play!I didnt say we got severely outplayed,i said we were outplayed by a fairly wide margin.I dont think there was anything in my posts that you could call trash talking, if you perceived it to be that way then i didnt mean to give you that immpresion but like i said if The shots and scoring chances were reversed would you still have your same opinion,and you cant say that HABS outplayed the Isles tonight at home.We were outplayed again at home by a team that has been playing some bad hockey.Do you agree with this statement or not?
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Post by Viper on Nov 8, 2002 2:37:31 GMT -5
No i don't agree i've stated my reason's above i believe the team played solidly enough to win throughout the game. The goals we scored we're lucky but hey Saperlipopette happen's sometimes and we deserved to catch a break after having alot of fluker's scored on us so far this year. We killed penalties very well we got out of the first period with a 1 goal lead came out early in the second (1:47 in ) and made it 2 nothing killed off a couple penalties during the second while defending a 2 goal lead then in the third we played even better than the first 2 period's and generated more shot's.
Of course we're gonna get outshot significantly on a night like tonight when you look at the event's that transpired throughout the game it's inevitable. It doesn't mean we sucked and got outplayed it simply means we caught a couple break's and rode out the win by playing good defensive hockey. ( i know how can i say we we're good defensively when we gave up 42 shot's ) I say that because as i pointed out there we're very few scoring chances that the isles generated and the vast majority of the isles shot's we're from far out or bad angles. We gave up lot's of shot's but it was not a difficult night for the goalie by any mean's.
There have been plenty of night's where we are very bad and the goalie has to save us there's no denying that. Tonight was not one of those occassion's. In all honesty This game could have been a nothing nothing tie if not for the couple of breaks we got.
Cheer's bud i'll catch up to this tomorow my eyes are gonna fall out of the socket's
Viper.
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 8, 2002 10:22:08 GMT -5
wow, some tense early morning posting going on there.
I think some people freak out too much when it comes to the shots. How many times last year we got outshot by similar margins and won the game? I am pretty sure it happened at least 10 times if not 15 and maybe 20.
Last night alot of them came on the PP's and alot of them were from the outside.
More proof that shots don't always tell the tale: the Leafs had lost(I saw this last week) every game they outshot an opponent and in each of their win(not many I know..lol) they had been outshot..
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 8, 2002 10:52:50 GMT -5
Islanders have outshot their opponents in 10 of 13 games and they have 3 wins to show for it.
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Post by larek on Nov 8, 2002 13:11:27 GMT -5
I wasnt freaking out.But if HABS continue to get 15 to 20 shots a game and get 35 to 40 shots and more against,the tale will be told and its going to be a scary one.
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Post by Viper on Nov 8, 2002 13:22:48 GMT -5
I wasnt freaking out.But if HABS continue to get 15 to 20 shots a game and get 35 to 40 shots and more against,the tale will be told and its going to be a scary one. true but last night's shot total wasn't a true indication of us getting outplayed. It was inevitable given the circumstances of how the game evolved. I agree that there are many night's where we do get outplayed and the goalie has to save us last night though was not the case IMO. For some reason i'm a little tired today as well later. Viper.
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