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Post by Viper on Nov 4, 2002 11:55:46 GMT -5
www.faceoff.com/nhl/news/story.html?f=/news/20021104/430730.htmlIt seem's Jeff has decided he want's to win a cup or at least have a legit shot at one. This Definately does not help the tradeability we have that is already very low. The article in a nutshell says if he goes to a place where he can't contend or a place where he or his family won't be happy he's just gonna pack it in say arrivederchi and good bye. Here's what i want to know do we just keep him around and let him retire while assuring Garon will be playing a bigger role and hopefully he sign's with us instead of going the UFA road. this definately throw's a dagger in the chest of AS's effort's my respect for hack just fell a notch even though i can understand where he's coming from but at the same time this is very anti team philosophy and well is not something i expected really. cheer's Viper
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Post by HFTO on Nov 4, 2002 12:12:50 GMT -5
Nothing we haven't heard from ay other athlete that is winding down their carrer as he pointed out things change.Unless Hack goes to Atlanta i'm sure he has some hockey left in him. I wish hack well when he does go and i hope he goes to a contender in the WEST (St.Loius). HFTO
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 4, 2002 12:26:41 GMT -5
Forget about the Trashers. He'd probably retire on the spot after the trade.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 4, 2002 15:18:34 GMT -5
Nothing we haven't heard from ay other athlete that is winding down their carrer as he pointed out things change.Unless Hack goes to Atlanta i'm sure he has some hockey left in him. I wish hack well when he does go and i hope he goes to a contender in the WEST (St.Loius). HFTO You're right Phil and I hope they give him that chance if for no other reason than what he's brought to le Club since his arrival. Here's only a few of the things I saw: 1. He had as much to do with Théodore's development than anyone else on the club. Rollie Melanson might have been their goaltending coach, but Théo's confidence blossomed largely due to Hack's support. Hack was Théo's number-1 supporter by far. 2. Come to think of it, he's been there for all of his teammates at one time or another. 3. He never played any media games. In fact when the media tried to concoct a sensational story, Hack would throw it back in their faces. 4. I honestly believe Hack would have been a Vezina finalist if wasn't injured last year. In fact he was playing better than Théo at the time of his injury. However, don't take that as a disappointment. 5. And of course, his outstanding play in goal. We won the trade that brought he and Eric Weinrich to Montreal. As I'm sure many of us feel, I don't think he's out of line at all for asking this of management. The guy may give a terrible interview, but he is the real article. He publicly state on TV that he didn't have to be a rocket scientist to figure out what the future held for him in Montreal. I hope he gets to St Louis or another legitimate contender. He deserves it. Cheers.
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Post by Doc Holliday on Nov 4, 2002 16:51:52 GMT -5
Somebody should remind Jeff that he's a UFA after the seaosn and will therefor be able to freely chose where he wants to go from that point on, regardless of whatever trade Savard comes up with this year. I fail to see the relevance of his comment regarding his possible destination...
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Post by HFTO on Nov 4, 2002 17:04:22 GMT -5
Good points Doc somehow I feel where ever Hack goes he will account himself as he always has with class.I wish him all the best I just hope he doesn't come back and haunt us.Its too bad that Hack wasn't a couple years older and he could stay on as the backup and maybe down the line as a coach. I also think his play as elevated Theo to that next level.Once Hack is gone it will be interesting to see if Theo can keep it there. some guys always need to have that threat to keep their edge lets hope Theo can. HFTO
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 4, 2002 17:12:58 GMT -5
Once Hack is gone it will be interesting to see if Theo can keep it there. some guys always need to have that threat to keep their edge lets hope Theo can. HFTO Funny but I think the numbers show Theodore played better when Hackett was injured(most of last year). Probably because he knew he would be getting all the starts and could get into a groove.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 4, 2002 17:21:44 GMT -5
Somebody should remind Jeff that he's a UFA after the seaosn and will therefor be able to freely chose where he wants to go from that point on, regardless of whatever trade Savard comes up with this year. I fail to see the relevance of his comment regarding his possible destination... Jeff has already admitted to that, Doc. The way I view it, is that Jeff has put two-and-two together and knows his tenure in Montreal is rapidly coming to an end. If he can facilitate a trade to a contender, he'll do just that. Unfortunately, I see Savard being low-balled right now in any trade involving Hack. Though his performance has been outstanding Hack may have lowered his value by saying he'll entertain retirement at the end of the current season. Teams won't give up much if they know he's gone at the end of the playoffs. I hope he gets what he wants, and I hope Savard gets fair value. Right now, I'm not expecting the ladder. Just a feeling anyway. Cheers.
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 4, 2002 18:43:20 GMT -5
After watching the Habs report on RDS and seeing Hack interviewed it looks like Hack doesn't care about the $$ anymore and all he wants is to win. He hasn't been on many winning teams in his NHL career.He also said he still expects to be traded this year and he said if he was the GM of the team he would trade himself as well.
I think the retirement decision will come in the summer during the UFA blitz. It's obvious he doesn't want to be a backup somewhere. It's either number 1 goalie on a good team or retirement.He doesn't want to be a number 1 on a bottom feeder or a backup on a great team it looks like.
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Post by Doc Holliday on Nov 4, 2002 20:52:33 GMT -5
Jeff has already admitted to that, Doc. The way I view it, is that Jeff has put two-and-two together and knows his tenure in Montreal is rapidly coming to an end. If he can facilitate a trade to a contender, he'll do just that. Unfortunately, I see Savard being low-balled right now in any trade involving Hack. Though his performance has been outstanding Hack may have lowered his value by saying he'll entertain retirement at the end of the current season. Teams won't give up much if they know he's gone at the end of the playoffs. I hope he gets what he wants, and I hope Savard gets fair value. Right now, I'm not expecting the ladder. Just a feeling anyway. Cheers. Could be that DIS. Hack certainly would want to play for a competitive team at least once in his carreer. With the kind of competitor he is and the level of play he's bringing, somehow I just don't see Hackett retiring just now.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 4, 2002 20:59:53 GMT -5
Especially if the team he ends up with gets into the finals. Cheers.
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Post by wade on Nov 4, 2002 21:43:25 GMT -5
jeff has only played in 9 playoff games in his life and the last one being 97 with the blackhawks.. for a competitor like jeff.. it must be tough
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Post by BadCompany on Nov 5, 2002 9:15:49 GMT -5
Somebody should remind Jeff that he's a UFA after the seaosn and will therefor be able to freely chose where he wants to go from that point on, regardless of whatever trade Savard comes up with this year. I fail to see the relevance of his comment regarding his possible destination... I think Jeff is starting to see the writing on the wall I have been so eloquently spray painting for the last couple of months; this could very well be Jeff Hackett's last year in the NHL. Doesn't matter how well he plays, the goalie market is saturated. Big time. Nobody needs a goalie now, and its not going to change all that much next year. Hackett isn't going to be able to choose where he wants to go, because like Byron Dafoe, nobody is going to be making him any offers. Sad, but possibly true. This is it for Jeff. Either he gets traded to a contender this year, and makes a run at it, or he's finished. He could go to Atlanta, finish out the year there, but I doubt they will resign him in the off season. Not with Kari Lehtonen on the way. And nobody else will need him. He could be forced into early retirement, and he might see that. So this could be a little pre-emptive strike on his part - "I don't mind retiring, I was thinking of doing it anyways." Said it before, and I'm saying it again; trade Garon and offer Hackett a contract extension.
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Post by Doc Holliday on Nov 5, 2002 13:28:35 GMT -5
I think Jeff is starting to see the writing on the wall I have been so eloquently spray painting for the last couple of months; this could very well be Jeff Hackett's last year in the NHL. Doesn't matter how well he plays, the goalie market is saturated. Big time. Nobody needs a goalie now, and its not going to change all that much next year. Hackett isn't going to be able to choose where he wants to go, because like Byron Dafoe, nobody is going to be making him any offers. Sad, but possibly true. This is it for Jeff. Either he gets traded to a contender this year, and makes a run at it, or he's finished. He could go to Atlanta, finish out the year there, but I doubt they will resign him in the off season. Not with Kari Lehtonen on the way. And nobody else will need him. He could be forced into early retirement, and he might see that. So this could be a little pre-emptive strike on his part - "I don't mind retiring, I was thinking of doing it anyways." Said it before, and I'm saying it again; trade Garon and offer Hackett a contract extension. I agree with the concept of keeping Hackett and trading Garon but I think Garon has even less value then Hackett. It seems like almost every team now has one, 2 and sometimes 3 good young prospects that they can throw out there while many teams are missing a dependable vet that isn't a career low-quality-backup-Bob or a goalie at the end of his rope. Heck, once Hackett is traded we will miss exactly what Hackett provides... Problem is that if Hackett, like Dafoe, is seeking for a 3-4mil or more contrat to start 70 games, then you're right, he won't get picked. On the other if Hack is ready to play 30ish games for 1.7 to 2mil/yr (plus incentives if he ends up playing a lot of games), then he'd get picked right away or actually, he'd never leave Montreal.
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Post by JohnnyVerdun on Nov 5, 2002 15:36:59 GMT -5
Appropos the falling snow...sorry, wrong subject...I mean appropos BC's suggestion, I wonder whether it's something that AS has considered and/or discussed with Hackett.
It would depend obviously on what AS thinks of Garon's future. Because if Garon develops well we could be richer in NHL goaltending than we are now. Having two guys under 30 who are both above average is pretty deep. It seems to me likely that that's what AS envisions. If so, there'd be little point in even approaching Hackett unless somebody were to make a big pitch that involved Garon (unlikely). I think BC's right, and that this could be sayonnara for Jeff.
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 5, 2002 17:51:37 GMT -5
Let's not forget Garon is a UFA after this year if he doesn't play 12 games...
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