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Post by UberCranky on Nov 2, 2002 23:35:20 GMT -5
One of the spuds of the CBC said that Savard has been in Toronto for two games and with tonights game it would make three.
That is an awfull lot of games just to get free hot dogs from the ACC.
I say we see Hacka nd one more for Andropov.
What is your guys opinion of what's happening?
Discuss...............(while I think up of new ways to bash Audi)
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 2, 2002 23:38:24 GMT -5
It'll never happen -Belfore is locked it into a 13 million/2 year deal. Can't trade him -Kidd is making some nice money as well as a backup -NEVER trade a solid player to a division rival. Antropov would be nice but still... -AS would want Reichel instead I just don't see it happening...by the way the last 2 opponents of the Laughs before tonight: Anaheim and Atlanta...Atlanta you know why he was there...Anaheim?
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Post by HFTO on Nov 2, 2002 23:54:26 GMT -5
I doubt anything is brewing with the leafs,mostlikely he is scouting the other teams the Leafs were playing,there was also up to 8 other GM's in toronto the other day. HFTO
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Post by larek on Nov 3, 2002 0:22:30 GMT -5
Dont want Andropov ,no hurry to trade Hackett,its nice to have 2 goalie, one who starting to regain his form and another who has been as good a goalie as anyone this year!I say sign Hackett to 2 more years keep him until something comes along that Andre cant refuse if not then youve got the best goalie duo in the League!Whats wrong with that?
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 3, 2002 0:26:59 GMT -5
Hackett will want a number 1 job, larek. How can you blame him?
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Post by larek on Nov 3, 2002 0:40:54 GMT -5
Im not saying not to trade him at some time but its just nice to have 2 goalies like that and you can see in hacketts eyes that he loves to play for Montreal.why cant Savard try to give Hackett a contract extension,might even make it easier to trade him plus it would be on Savards timetable not because Hacketts an UFA. at the end of the season!.I think if Hackett stays that he will get some games like hes been getting even if Theo gets his game going.
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 3, 2002 0:43:50 GMT -5
Savard can try to extend his contract but I doubt Hackett will be all that interested with the way he is playing. He wants and deserves a number 1 job somewhere. Like I said...can you blame him?
But you are right it is nice to have 2 goalies around who can do a great job...
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Post by The New Guy on Nov 3, 2002 1:33:09 GMT -5
I gotta agree...
Jeff has put up fabulous numbers here. He is without a doubt the most underrated goalie in the league, and he deserves better than riding second string to the second coming of Roy. If you don't trade him out of pure asset management strategy, do it for what he has done for this team.
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Post by JohnnyVerdun on Nov 3, 2002 1:52:50 GMT -5
Don't worry, TNG, Savard wants to move Hackett plenty. He's got Garon here to think of. You can't have Garon go until February or March with only a handful of AHL starts. It's just bad player development. As soon as he sees Theo put enough (maybe 3 or 4) solid starts under his belt, and can be sure Theo has his sh!t together, he'll move Hackett if the offer is a decent one. But what bothers me is that he's probably wary of the optics depending on the deal he makes. After all, if he trades Hackett for a player who doesn't contribute much this season (even if he might down the road) and Theo stumbles, people will be carping that he "shoulda" hung on to him until the deadline. Even though that'll be so much nonsense, I think that it mght figure a bit in his thinking on the subject and his approach might reflect it. To me, he should use this as an opportunity to get a pick or a prospect that might turn into a nice piece of the puzzle down the road, rather than try to help the team now. If what you're doing is trying to help the team this year, you start looking at guys in their 30s with a questionable amount of gas in the tank but with "proven NHL experience, blah, blah, blah". That's how you end up with guys like Audette (who we also want to move) in the first place, and Traverse, rather than two picks or two prospects. Don't get me wrong, I understood what Savard was doing when he got Audette, and I thought it made sense, but we really, really needed offensive help last year. This year should be different. We have the horses to finish 8th or better if they play up to their abilities. We can move both Hackett and Audette with an eye to the future and we should.
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Post by Andrew on Nov 3, 2002 7:30:42 GMT -5
While Hackett may want, and is definitely deserving of a shot at being #1 somewhere, I can't think of any team that would give him that opportunity. I'd love to see AS sign him to a reduced salary extension and have him as backup for the next couple of years.
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Post by legaspesien on Nov 3, 2002 7:42:58 GMT -5
AS will have problem to even get a pick for Hackett not because of his value but the market for golies is close right now the only way for AS is to find a team in (temporary) need that has one player in the 2.5 M to come this way it's gone a be a money trade à la Ruchinski
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 3, 2002 9:19:39 GMT -5
I don't know if the announcer said that Savard was scouting the Leafs specifically. I took it as Savard was in town scouting, but it may have been other clubs he was looking at.
Trading up with Toronto would be disasterous. Why help out a struggling club and our traditional rival at that? If he's down, keep him down; nothing personal, just business. Besides, it's going the other way this time.
Cheers.
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 3, 2002 11:25:44 GMT -5
While Hackett may want, and is definitely deserving of a shot at being #1 somewhere, I can't think of any team that would give him that opportunity. I'd love to see AS sign him to a reduced salary extension and have him as backup for the next couple of years. but if you are in Hackett's shoes...why would you do that? You are showing you can still be a solid goalie in this league and you are on a team with a 26 year old Hart and Vezina award winner. Some team will want him next summer. Some goalie will go down with an injury this year and then there will be a market for him.
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Post by UberCranky on Nov 3, 2002 11:51:16 GMT -5
I coulld not care less if it is the Leafs or someonwe else. As far as I am concerned, Audi sitting in the press box is assets waisted. BTW, why not the leafs? I would take Andropov off their hands and I think that Belak is a fine 6th for us. More usefull then Blouin and a better goon. I think that Belak also played forward. Hey, I am not saying that Belak answers anything more then a better "quality" scrub. Blouin played 2.40 minutes and Belak played 11.44. A little scrub here and a little scrub there and pretty soon they add up to a real player.....
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 3, 2002 12:06:15 GMT -5
so you are saying Hack+Audi for Antro and TSN add dude Belak?
I wouldn't mind Antropov at all. Big, young kid. But he has blown his knee out twice already. That kind of scares me.
As for Belak...can't be any worse than Q-ball eh?
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Post by UberCranky on Nov 3, 2002 12:14:54 GMT -5
so you are saying Hack+Audi for Antro and TSN add dude Belak? I wouldn't mind Antropov at all. Big, young kid. But he has blown his knee out twice already. That kind of scares me. As for Belak...can't be any worse than Q-ball eh? I'm saying Hack Audette Dykhuis (too much) or Travesty (about right) for Andropov and Belak it depends how Andropov's knees are. If he had full reconstruction on both knees then I would worry. Didn't Koivu have knee surgery? Tell me how he looks now?
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 3, 2002 12:19:35 GMT -5
Saku had a few torn ACL's and MCL's. But his last one was 2 years ago. Antropov I think had his whole knee blown out.
I'd do the deal you are proposing but why would the Laughs take on about 8 million in salary for 2 cheap guys? and Eddie the 6.5 million$ backup? LOL
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Post by seventeen on Nov 3, 2002 18:12:56 GMT -5
Saku had a few torn ACL's and MCL's. But his last one was 2 years ago. Antropov I think had his whole knee blown out. I'd do the deal you are proposing but why would the Laughs take on about 8 million in salary for 2 cheap guys? and Eddie the 6.5 million$ backup? LOL Because Quinn's the GM.
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Post by hersh14 on Nov 3, 2002 19:21:01 GMT -5
There is only one Leaf worth having... Mogilny. He is creative on the wing and can score. AS should package Traverse and Hackett to get him.
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 3, 2002 19:43:54 GMT -5
There is only one Leaf worth having... Mogilny. He is creative on the wing and can score. AS should package Traverse and Hackett to get him. I'm sure Quinn is jumping with joy all over his office as that proposal is made to him ;D
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Post by JFM on Nov 3, 2002 19:55:53 GMT -5
Could it be possible that he is also doing some junior scouting as well? The OHL crop is forward heavy this year. GM's don't do advance scouting for future opponents. If he was there to scout the Leafs, there are only a handful of players that would interest me. Sundin, Mogilny, Kaberle, and McCabe. Besides that, I prefer what is currently on the roster, thank you very much.
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 3, 2002 19:59:46 GMT -5
BTW AS is in Hamilton tonight watching our future play. Wonder if HA met with him and gave him his tips ;D
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Post by HFTO on Nov 3, 2002 20:24:48 GMT -5
HA I thought you didn't drink! HFTO
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Post by Andrew on Nov 3, 2002 20:27:19 GMT -5
Surely you guys aren't speaking of the same Belak that scored on his net, and took two bonehead penalties last night.
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 3, 2002 20:32:25 GMT -5
Surely you guys aren't speaking of the same Belak that scored on his net, and took two bonehead penalties last night. HA just wants Q-ball gone ;D
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Post by UberCranky on Nov 3, 2002 21:41:00 GMT -5
Savard was at the game in a booth all by himself. More to come.
I just got in and trying to wind down a bit before I post my thoughts.
Marc, you better sit down for this, you are not going to like it.
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 3, 2002 21:46:34 GMT -5
Marc, you better sit down for this, you are not going to like it. Komi bashing?
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Post by Vichab on Nov 4, 2002 1:51:54 GMT -5
Why would Hack extend his contract at a lower rate. He's playing great, will be a UFA, and wants to be a #1 which isn't going to happen in Mtl. The only way he stays beyond the trade deadline is if Jose gets seriously injured or never gets out of his funk. Hack is going to be traded. I just hope it isn't a fire sale. he is worthwhile insurance as he is proving right now and as time rolls on more teams will be desparately interested. it sounds strange to have a $3+ million back up but it wouldn't be the first time this team has been paying that kind of money to a 4th liner or someone who is benched I.e. Audette. It's a good investment and we should let it ride until we get a good offer.
I wouldn't mind Antr as he is a big center which we have been lacking for sometime now. He's still young and he plays big. i think he could help although i think what we really need is a bona fide power winger who can put the puck in the net. Just dreaming
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Post by Andrew on Nov 4, 2002 4:36:45 GMT -5
Why would Hack extend his contract at a lower rate. He's playing great, will be a UFA, and wants to be a #1 which isn't going to happen in Mtl. The only way he stays beyond the trade deadline is if Jose gets seriously injured or never gets out of his funk. Hack has to realize that regardless of his great start, he's 34 and has a history of injuries. He hasn't shown the consistency, throughout his career (compared to goalies like Cujo and Belfour) that a contending team would look for in a starting goalie. As a UFA, interest in Hack would more likely come from smaller market, or rebuilding teams. In such cases, however, I think they'd be more interested in having him help bring along a younger goalie, not be their #1 - which is why guys like Dafoe and Barasso were unemployed at the start of the season. An older goalie has to be a clearcut, proven #1 to land a starting job as a UFA. Hackett hasn't filled that role in 3 years.
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Post by KILLger on Nov 5, 2002 0:26:34 GMT -5
Travis Green for Doug Gilmour? Gilmour is a good leader, that's a fact. But he's also up there in the age and I think Green could help... He's a good faceoff guy with good size and could make a decent (to good) 4th liner. Zednik-Koivu-Czerkawski Kilger-Perreault-Audette (Kilger's not there for his hands... ) Bulis-Juneau-Dackell Lindsay-Green-McKay Petrov, Blouin: out Just a thought
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