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Post by JohnnyVerdun on Nov 3, 2002 1:22:48 GMT -5
Good win, though.
A few thoughts, if I can type okay.
I hope Chad Kilger is hurt and that's why he's not dressed. Somebody tell me he's got a minor injury.
Lindsay's hit on Tucker was absolutely fine. How that's interference is beyond me. Also thought he was handling himself pretty well with Tucker until that left hand caught him on the chin.
Cole and Neale should be institutionalized. They're beyond banal, and they're worse than incompetent. Did anybody else suffer some confusion in the second period where we came back to find the Habs with two guys in the box instead on just one? Gilmour had taken the call for interfering with Sundin, cut to commercial, cut to face-off with the Habs having only 3 guys on the ice. What's this? Did I miss something? I expect Cole or Neal would find time in the midst of the inanities to tell us how this came about, but no that's evidently not happening. Maybe it had something to do wiith the Lindsay/Tucker thing? Maybe wild bill got an extra two on top of the interferance minor and the 5 for fighting? For instigating? But how could that be possible? That would mean that the two Habs goals (or at least one of them) were scored shorthanded. No, it turns out that Yannic Perreault took a two minute minor for abusing the ref, after they cut to a commercial, but it was never mentioned. The intrepid sausage-brained duo were too busy exchanging platitudes about how this was a good opportunity for the Leafs to tie the game. Well thanks for that. And what about the shots on goal, could you tell us this at least? "Not until intermission, we're too busy".
And can we get a replay of any call that was questionable? What is this, the Colin Campbell appreciation hour? The Lindsay penalty was an atrocious call. They then missed a blatant hip check to Petrov (?) after he'd dumped the puck into the corner and was going around a guy to get it. What was that if not interference? Can we get some commentary on these things?
Markov. Excellent game. Likewise for Rivet, Bulis (again) Czerk, Petrov and the rest. It was the full measure of effort. Props to Brisebois for jamming a bit with Domi, and Rivet for the same thing. Domi would've loved to get Rivet in the box for 5 minutes (with only one other righty d-man in the lineup) but Craig wasn't biting. Plus, he'd get slapped, so it wouldn't be smart anyways.
I want more from Koivu. I know he got a point tonight but I wasnt to see him getting more going in the open ice. Hopefully it will continue to click with Zed and MC on the right.
Hackett was sharp again, it goes without saying. He deserved this one.
And finally, that's the way to finish a game, up two goals, with the opposition running around in its own end with the extra skater.
And for all you young defencemen out there, if you saw Markov's goal in the final minute, it's a perfect illustration of how important it is to get that point shot on the net....
So why am I angry? It's personal. All I can say at this point is that it involves quitting smoking (again).
Federko goes into the Hall of Fame? Excuse me? A two-time all-star in the era right immediately after expansion? Playing Oakland and the Kansas City scouts, and the Pittsburgh Penguins in their infancy? The Hall's turning into a low-rent neighborhood, if you ask me. Like I get Rod Langway and Clark Gillies. Even having Clark in there with Beliveau, Richard, Gretzky and Bossy is a bit tough, but I can take it. But they've got to remember that the Hall is going to be there for a long while and the game is still young. The Hall should be for players who were among the dominant one or two percent of their contemporaries, not the top ten percent.
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Post by habernac on Nov 3, 2002 1:56:54 GMT -5
Keep at it, man! I'm on quit attempt #327 and I've made it to month 5. It gets easier!
Great rant! I definitely agree about the HOF, Federko was a good player, not a great one. Clark is over his head as well. The hockey hall of fame is the total opposite of baseball's. Its too easy to get in.
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Post by yoda on Nov 3, 2002 2:02:50 GMT -5
Stick a nicotine patch on your forehead.
It warns others and you get a buzz.
Just trying to help.
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Post by PTH on Nov 3, 2002 2:11:37 GMT -5
Lindsay's hit on Tucker was absolutely fine. How that's interference is beyond me. Also thought he was handling himself pretty well with Tucker until that left hand caught him on the chin. Agree on the hit, I couldn't see that as a penalty at all. MT took a bench penalty for complaining to the ref about a non-call on Perreault - which led to a 5 on 3. Shades of the Carolina series... Rivet has a wrist problem, anyhow. Domi made up for it later by getting Brisebois off the ice for 2 minutes. Seeing Brisebois stand up for himself and ready to go at it with Domi was refreshing, but I'm still happy that Gilmour stopped that, we don't want to risk our top defenseman. Markov played an excellent game offensively, and OK defensively. Chow is half a player at best, so Saku doesn't have much to work with. Chow has gotta get to work dammit... Yup. A lot of kids could learn a lot from Markov. The guy has only played D for a few years and he seems to be learning the position incredibly well. Hang in there, your lungs are worth it. Agreed all the way. It seems they want to put in players who counted in their era but are generally unremarkable. A guy like Roy who will have dominated hockey for 10-15 years should go in, but a guy like Brodeur who 's just an excellent goalie shouldn't - but I bet you both get in. Poor example maybe, but it's late. so sue me ;-)
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Post by BillPickles on Nov 3, 2002 8:31:08 GMT -5
There were at least 2 occasions where Cole and Neale neglected to fill the fans in on penalties. One time they were too enamoured with Roger Nielson, but there's no excuse for taking naps the rest of the night.
Rivet sucked in the 1st two periods, perhaps he should take his own advice and get sit out a game. Would have been nice to see Komi try to knock Sundin off the puck, he looked like a giant in the Habs end.
Too bad Blouin didn't take on Domi, that choke thing on Gilmour really p*$$ed me off.
All in all, a good game for the Habs, although a couple of goals was due to weak goaltending from Belfour.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 3, 2002 9:47:34 GMT -5
Good win, though. A few thoughts, if I can type okay. Adda' boy. Pound 'er back Bad timing for this one, JV. But, we won I guess. Tucker didn't have the puck and didn't have a chance at the puck when Bill took him out rather nicely. I could see why they called it, but at the same time they let a few go that were far worse. I thought the officiating was inconsistent all night, and so did the players. Brisebois and Balek were both beaking off when they were sent to the sin-bin. Institutionalized or committed Markov is tied for the team lead in points. I don't know if I liked his taunting of the Leaf bench at the end though. As for the rough stuff, more please. I can't believe that Chris Simon went to the Hawks for a 3rd. Where was André on that one? I thought exactly the same thing. Saku is tied for the club scoring lead. He just doesn't seem as visable as we thought maybe. First time all year I've seen Jeff smile through his mask. I would really, really hate to see this guy moved. I know, he's 34-years-old and approaching UFA. Whether he moves or not, he may just hang them up. He's got the dough to do it with afterall. Nice to see that come around for a change. Don't give a sucker a second chance. I could care less if it was a rocket with less than a minute to go. They'd do it to us. Just business. ... cigarettes right? Just checkin' ... I had a letter published on this one a few months back. Give me a break! Clark Gilles?!?! Why, because he had Trottier and Bossey feeding him? Federko? N'importe quoi! While I can admit that Langway was an excellent defenseman, he's now on the same wall as Bobby Orr. All of this, and Paul Henderson's name is still not there. Yeah, we could banter back and forth that his career wasn't that of Beliveau's or Orr's, but it's not the Hall of Statistics. Henderson was responsible for Canada's most historic sporting moment as voted on by Canadian fans. That's it, that's all. I'm not mad at this snub, I'm pi$$ed off! Lucky I was out of beer last night. But, I'll get over it Cheers.
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 3, 2002 11:15:54 GMT -5
Markov is tied for the team lead in points. I don't know if I liked his taunting of the Leaf bench at the end though. As for the rough stuff, more please. I can't believe that Chris Simon went to the Hawks for a 3rd. Where was André on that one? taunting? what are you guys talking about? I saw nothing of this on RDS. What did Markov do? As for Simon, the Hawks also gave up a 60 point guy in Nylander in that deal. That would be like us giving up a player better than Perreault to get a Simon. Plus I doubt the Caps would have dealt him to a playoff rival.. JV hang in there!
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Post by Bob_in_Niagara on Nov 3, 2002 11:19:07 GMT -5
I guess everyone is entitled to their opinion, but having watched Bernie Federko play for the Saskatoon Blades in junior and, watching him play in the NHL, I can assure you he is a most deserving inductee to the Hall of Fame. He was a talented, classy centre and racked up 1,130 points in his career (in about 1,000 games). If he had played for the Habs, I assume you would be all for his induction.
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Post by JohnnyVerdun on Nov 3, 2002 11:39:16 GMT -5
I must plead ignorance. You're right. The guy had eleven (11) straight 20 goal seasons and four of those with 30 or more. That's remarkable consistency. And he didn't play with any world-beater Blues clubs either. I guess it comes with the territory when you play in St. Louis during those many lean years, that you stand out the way guys did on teams that were in the hunt for the cup every year. Had Federko played on a couple of cup winners in Philly or on Long Island, nobody would blink at his induction. I wonder how his stats compare to those of Jacques Lemaire? Probably very favorably. What separates them is the Stanley Cups. But it's not Bernie's fault he was drafted by the Blues....
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 3, 2002 12:07:39 GMT -5
I guess everyone is entitled to their opinion, but having watched Bernie Federko play for the Saskatoon Blades in junior and, watching him play in the NHL, I can assure you he is a most deserving inductee to the Hall of Fame. He was a talented, classy centre and racked up 1,130 points in his career (in about 1,000 games). If he had played for the Habs, I assume you would be all for his induction. If you feel his induction is worthy then I respect your opinion, Bob. But I'll admit that you may be right insomuch as if he had been with the Habs or Leafs he probably would have gotten much more fanfare. At least I would have followed his career then. Ah well ... Cheers.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 3, 2002 12:09:59 GMT -5
Too bad Blouin didn't take on Domi, that choke thing on Gilmour really p*$$ed me off. I felt Domi was showboating with his old teammate. I think the two of them laughed it off. I think I even seen a smirk on the referee's face as well. Gave me a chuckle too. Cheers.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 3, 2002 12:14:55 GMT -5
taunting? what are you guys talking about? I saw nothing of this on RDS. What did Markov do? After he rifled his shot into the top corner, he skated past the Leaf bench with his arms wide open as if to say, "... we won, take that ..." Not too serious, but it will be interesting to see how the Leafs handle the next game. As for Simon's acquisition, you're talking about Neil Smith here. Giving up a 60-point man just wouldn't cut it. I think we have some assets that Washington could have used but we'll never know now. Cheers.
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Post by UberCranky on Nov 3, 2002 12:18:20 GMT -5
I felt Domi was showboating with his old teammate. I think the two of them laughed it off. I think I even seen a smirk on the referee's face as well. Gave me a chuckle too. Cheers. Killer was stoned face in spite of Dummies provocation. If Killer was really concerned, Dummy would be wearing his stick, souvlaki style. Doesn't that brilliant off season signing of Dummy look great on them? Yup.......*laughing his head off*
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 3, 2002 16:29:39 GMT -5
After he rifled his shot into the top corner, he skated past the Leaf bench with his arms wide open as if to say, "... we won, take that ..." Not too serious, but it will be interesting to see how the Leafs handle the next game. I see what you mean... Good job Markov. God knows they have had their fun against us over the years. Neil Smith? The deal was Nylander for Nikolishin+Simon....
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 3, 2002 16:55:21 GMT -5
That's the one, Marc. It might fuel the flames, ahem, Leafs for the rematch, but I'm still chuckling a tad. Thanks.
And I meant Mike Smith that is. I guess I just don't like him as a GM. Cheers.
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 3, 2002 17:01:13 GMT -5
That's the one, Marc. It might fuel the flames, ahem, Leafs for the rematch, but I'm still chuckling a tad. Thanks. 10$ Tucker tries to blow out Markov's knee. Ok yeah now I getcha
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Post by Big_D on Nov 3, 2002 22:10:14 GMT -5
That game was beautiful. I needed that one. After watching my Saskatchewan Roughriders e-mail their game to B.C. Place, instead of showing up to play it, having my local High School football team lose their Provincial final, and getting utterly embarrased at B.P's in Swift Current by my family on my birthday friday night.
As for the Domi-Gilmour chokehold, they cut to commercial just when it was starting, and they showed the replay a few times through the night. The first one, I thought they were seriously going to go. The second one you could see Dumi smiling. The third, you could see the linesman giggling, and the fourth, Gilmour said something, and cracked the slightest of grins.
Last but not least, about the taunting, I'd have probably done the same. It's the leafs after all. You see in Marc's picture that Domi looks all P.Oed. Don't think for a second if the shoe was on the other foot, he, or Tucker, or even Sundin wouldn't have done the same.
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Post by BillPickles on Nov 4, 2002 1:38:48 GMT -5
As for the Domi-Gilmour chokehold, they cut to commercial just when it was starting, and they showed the replay a few times through the night. The first one, I thought they were seriously going to go. The second one you could see Dumi smiling. The third, you could see the linesman giggling, and the fourth, Gilmour said something, and cracked the slightest of grins. Last but not least, about the taunting, I'd have probably done the same. It's the leafs after all. You see in Marc's picture that Domi looks all P.Oed. Don't think for a second if the shoe was on the other foot, he, or Tucker, or even Sundin wouldn't have done the same. I never saw Gilmour crack a smile, just Domi and it looked like he was sending a message. I guess that's just his normal grin, which is disturbing to say the least. I also think the Markov "taunt" wasn't much of one. Far better than, say, taking runs at the other teams top guys like most leafs do. Also, I'd like to add a big "HAHA" to Belak, that's what you get for trying to take liberties after the whistle for no reason. I only hope that whining, goon mentality doesn't spread to younger players when the Leafs start getting traded left and right, or GMs have more sense than to take on nutcases like Tucker.
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Post by Vichab on Nov 4, 2002 2:09:43 GMT -5
i was a little surprised when Markov did the taunt but upon reflection i think it revealed the kind of battle Markov was in all night. He played a monster game against the best players on our main rival. I think he was letting out some emotion. it may not have been all that wise as the laughs have too many dirty players with long memories but i think markov was entitled to express himself as he fought hard and he won big. besides the laugh's goons are going to run our players anyway. Might as well enjoy our ups especially in their building.
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 4, 2002 8:35:23 GMT -5
I tell ya..next time we play them. Dummie, F**ker, Corson, Green or McCabe will go after Markov's knee. It's a guarantee. Better have Blouin in the lineup.
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Post by BillPickles on Nov 4, 2002 8:38:00 GMT -5
Didn't hear any quotes about the Leafs being angry about it.
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 4, 2002 8:38:56 GMT -5
Didn't hear any quotes about the Leafs being angry about it. look at Dummie's face in the picture. It looks like he is about to cry! LOL
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