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Post by HFTO on Nov 3, 2002 11:37:29 GMT -5
The rumour mill keeps churning and there were several names being mentioned in the paper which could invite some interesting possobilities.
Anson Carter UFA 28yrs 6-1 20lbs possible?What wold edmonton want?
Brad Stuart unsigned looking for roughly $6 mil over 3yrs 22 yrs 6-2 212 a pipe dream here.
Marc Savard 25yrs old 5-10 188 younger Audi not the best skater another smurf
Pavel Brendl 21yrs old 6-0 206 would Philly deal more potential?Is he too soft?
Martin Erat 21yrs old 5-11 196 Another Jan Bulis or better?
Karl Rachunek 23yrs old 6-2 211 unsigned Ottawa blueliner.What are the chances of Ottawa being willing?
Finally Kyle Mclaren rumoured for Jeff Hackett if it were true would you do it?
IMO if Carter was on the block I try and see what the Oil would want.
I'm sure some of you guys will have an opinion. HFTO
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Post by clear observer on Nov 3, 2002 11:46:49 GMT -5
Finally Kyle Mclaren rumoured for Jeff Hackett if it were true would you do it? The speed of light comes to mind. CO
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 3, 2002 11:51:47 GMT -5
are these names rumored to be going to the Habs or just available?
I'd love to get Carter.But he is not a UFA after ths year for sure. RFA.
McLaren for Hack...god that is a tough one for both teams...Bruins are playing well and Shields is doing the job while we don't want to trade Hack to a division rival...but McLaren is what our D needs...
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Post by JohnnyVerdun on Nov 3, 2002 12:07:13 GMT -5
Yeah except Hackett Mclaren isn't even close on the value equation. Mclaren you get to keep. Hackett is a UFA. One could anchor a defence (or help anyway) for the next four or five years easily, while Hackett is a short-term proposition for most teams. If he were to deal with Montreal, O'Connell would be asking for Hackett and Markov for Kyle. He wouldn't be far off when you consider that Hackett alone is probably worth a 4th rounder....
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Post by Douper on Nov 3, 2002 12:10:42 GMT -5
Mclaren for Hackett.....For sure...Could you imagine Montreal in the playoffs against boston again and Mclaren does what he did to Zednik on Thornton or Samsonov. I would piss my self laughing!!!
If Carter is available I would give them anyone of Bulli, Ribiero, Hossa, Chow. I could just imagine having a line like Zednik Koivu Carter.
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Post by Roggy on Nov 3, 2002 12:13:56 GMT -5
Yeah except Hackett Mclaren isn't even close on the value equation. Mclaren you get to keep. Hackett is a UFA. One could anchor a defence (or help anyway) for the next four or five years easily, while Hackett is a short-term proposition for most teams. If he were to deal with Montreal, O'Connell would be asking for Hackett and Markov for Kyle. He wouldn't be far off when you consider that Hackett alone is probably worth a 4th rounder.... But Montreal is the team in position of strength in this case. I don't know how much of an option Dafoe is for them, as there could be some bad blood between him and the organization. If their goaltending falters, they could be in serious trouble. Plus, McLaren isn't getting any more valuable sitting out. Obviously, they haven't gotten the offer they want, and it's possible that they won't. Hackett may be their best option. I don't know why Montreal shouldn't at least make the offer. So what if AS tries to fleece O'Connell? The deal would never get done if somebody didn't offer it. I'm personally warming up to the idea, but I still would rather deal Hackett to St. Louis where we wouldn't see him in the playoffs until the Finals.
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 3, 2002 12:16:11 GMT -5
Yeah except Hackett Mclaren isn't even close on the value equation. Mclaren you get to keep. Hackett is a UFA. One could anchor a defence (or help anyway) for the next four or five years easily, while Hackett is a short-term proposition for most teams. If he were to deal with Montreal, O'Connell would be asking for Hackett and Markov for Kyle. He wouldn't be far off when you consider that Hackett alone is probably worth a 4th rounder.... 26 year old Allison for 30 year old Murray and 29 year old Stumpel. The Bruins are idiots. 25 year old Carter plus the option to switch 1st rounders in 2001 for 30 year old Guerin. Potential franchise players for guys on the verge of being UFA's and in Murray's and Stumpel's case 2 guys who have underachiever their whole life... Why wouldn't they trade 25 year old McLaren for 34 year old Hackett after those two deals
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Post by JohnnyVerdun on Nov 3, 2002 12:32:53 GMT -5
But Montreal is the team in position of strength in this case. I don't know how much of an option Dafoe is for them, as there could be some bad blood between him and the organization. If their goaltending falters, they could be in serious trouble. Plus, McLaren isn't getting any more valuable sitting out. Obviously, they haven't gotten the offer they want, and it's possible that they won't. Hackett may be their best option. I don't know why Montreal shouldn't at least make the offer. So what if AS tries to fleece O'Connell? The deal would never get done if somebody didn't offer it. I'm personally warming up to the idea, but I still would rather deal Hackett to St. Louis where we wouldn't see him in the playoffs until the Finals. 1. Dafoe is not an option for Boston. Because Boston is not an option for Dafoe. 2. Their goaltending has been fine so far. 3. Mclaren is getting more valuable sitting at home. Because other teams problems are starting to show. Lots of teams have injury problems already or are underachieving in a big way (think Toronto) while Boston's playing great. O'connell doesn't feel pressure right now. His team is winning and Lapointe and Samsonov are due back from injuries in the near future. He can wait. 4. Savard can send a fax if he wants, but I'm telling you Hackett isn't close to what O'Connell's got in mind. He's almost certainly had better offers already that he's rejected. Remember, Hackett's value is about a 4th rounder, and O'connell wants a player with Kyle's impact.....
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Post by Thanatos on Nov 3, 2002 13:52:15 GMT -5
O.K. maybe I'm missing something, but just why does McLaren seem to rate so high amongst some of you? Here's a guy who's averaged: - Less than 60 games a season in 7 years in the NHL.
- Averaged less than 5 goals and 13 assists over that period.
- Is only +4 in 417 games.
- And averages only 53 penalty minutes a year.
In fact, Breezy's numbers are markedly better than Kyle's.
Is McLaren really worth all the hype he's gathered?
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Post by PTH on Nov 3, 2002 14:07:53 GMT -5
O.K. maybe I'm missing something, but just why does McLaren seem to rate so high amongst some of you? Here's a guy who's averaged: - Less than 60 games a season in 7 years in the NHL.
- Averaged less than 5 goals and 13 assists over that period.
- Is only +4 in 417 games.
- And averages only 53 penalty minutes a year.
In fact, Breezy's numbers are markedly better than Kyle's.
Is McLaren really worth all the hype he's gathered?
McLaren is a defensive physical type guy, so looking at his numbers is misleading. He anchored Boston's defense last year and they were the top team in the East.... he'd easily be a lock on our top 4.... so yes, I think he is worth the hype.
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Post by Thanatos on Nov 3, 2002 14:17:04 GMT -5
McLaren is a defensive physical type guy, so looking at his numbers is misleading. He anchored Boston's defense last year and they were the top team in the East.... he'd easily be a lock on our top 4.... so yes, I think he is worth the hype. Respectfully, McLaren only played 38 games last season, so I can't see how he anchored Boston's defense last year. He was out of the line-up more often than he was in. I'm not suggesting he wouldn't be a decent pick-up, but it looks to me as if many are way over-estimating his value.
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Post by JohnnyVerdun on Nov 3, 2002 14:21:35 GMT -5
You may be right, but I don't think people are way overestimating his value. This is a guy who can change the complexion of a team's defence overnight. The injury bug is an issue, for sure, but I think the feeling is that he's young and that he's more likely than not to put together four or five really good seasons (if not more) before he's done. He's a physical guy who can skate, and that makes him valuable.
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Post by Thanatos on Nov 3, 2002 14:40:05 GMT -5
You might be right, but still, trading Hackett,( who IMO would be their best goalie, and likely to remain that way for at least 2 or 3 years barring injury or a major improvement on the part of Grahme or Shields) and Markov( who IMO is already a better offensive D-man than Kyle, is a couple of years younger, and has made some fine defensive plays around his net so far this season) for Mclaren is too much of a loss for what we're likely to get back in return. Not to mention that IMO, we also improve Boston by quite a bit.
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Post by PTH on Nov 3, 2002 14:52:50 GMT -5
Anson Carter UFA 28yrs 6-1 20lbs possible?What wold edmonton want?
Probably not available.
Brad Stuart unsigned looking for roughly $6 mil over 3yrs 22 yrs 6-2 212 a pipe dream here.
Will cost a bundle to acquire. Komisarek + goodies for him.
Marc Savard 25yrs old 5-10 188 younger Audi not the best skater another smurf
Youngish playmaking center with spunk but a bit of an attitude problem. If we didn't have a surplus of centers I'd want hi,
Pavel Brendl 21yrs old 6-0 206 would Philly deal more potential?Is he too soft?
I doubt Philly moves him when he seems to have infinite talent and they can wait for him to bloom.
Martin Erat 21yrs old 5-11 196 Another Jan Bulis or better?
Never heard of him
Karl Rachunek 23yrs old 6-2 211 unsigned Ottawa blueliner.What are the chances of Ottawa being willing?
I think Ottawa won't be dealing him to a rival unless they clearly win the deal.
Finally Kyle Mclaren rumoured for Jeff Hackett if it were true would you do it?
Do it, then deal Kyle elsewhere ASAP.
On another note, apparently NYR want Kilger again - Sather got him in EDM and now wants him in NY.
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 3, 2002 16:26:55 GMT -5
Kilger for Kloucek?
As for McLaren. He's only 25 and I think everyone in the NHL sees this guy as a potentially great 2 way d-man with physical play. It's more about his potential than his performance.
I'd definitely NOT deal Markov to get him..
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