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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 2, 2002 10:15:30 GMT -5
Last night,we had 2 regulars(Audette and Kilger) in the pressbox. Ribeiro is coming back in a week and Quintal will be back next Thursday. AS needs to make a 3 for 1 kinda of deal and even that may not solve our roster problem. It looks like a certainty the Juneau line and a bumping 4th line will be kept together. Guys like Kilger-McKay-Lindsay-Blouin will battle for the 4th line spot. So that leaves: Koivu-Zednik-Czerkawski-Gilmour-Perreault-Petrov-Audette-Ribeiro to fight for the first 6 spots. Boy oh boy..what do you? package 2 of these forwards+Hack to get a d-man? Release a Lindsay? trade a Audette for a bag of pucks?
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Post by habwest on Nov 2, 2002 10:44:25 GMT -5
One thing, somebody- Savard- should have a talk with Gilmour to see where his head's at. If he's not 100% on board might as well move him or ask him to retire because unless he's got all his burners on high (even if they are bunsen burners by now instead of afterburners) he isn't of much use.
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Post by Viper on Nov 2, 2002 11:21:43 GMT -5
It looks like a certainty the Juneau line and a bumping 4th line will be kept together. Guys like Kilger-McKay-Lindsay-Blouin will battle for the 4th line spot. So that leaves: Koivu-Zednik-Czerkawski-Gilmour-Perreault-Petrov-Audette-Ribeiro to fight for the first 6 spots. NO this leaves cerk, gilmour, petrov, audette, ribiero, perreault, fighting for 4 spot's. ;D Koivu and zed are sticking as the first liner's i suspect i would suggest kilger and Mckay could get thrown into that top six mix as well. Leavung Lindsay, blouin for the fourth. we need to start moving bodies for picks or packaging for a fair sized center or winger. something has to give soon or eventually someone become's waiver fodder and we get nothing back.
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 2, 2002 12:06:59 GMT -5
yeah good point vipe... ;D
Let's hope AS doesn't mind losing a guy like Lindsay for nothing or trading Audette for a draft pick. When you have too much depth, it hurts you IMO. Too many unhappy palyers and Audette is one of them right now. Deal him for anything(except teams in our division).He's a problem child.
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Post by Viper on Nov 2, 2002 12:18:18 GMT -5
unless this is a sign of history repeating itself rib's and Hainsey back to the AHL grrrrrr
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 2, 2002 12:23:20 GMT -5
unless this is a sign of history repeating itself rib's and Hainsey back to the AHL grrrrrr Ribs for 2 weeks of conditionning? maybe Hainsey? nah they won't go with 6 D only...he's safe until pretty fragile Shelly comes back...
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Post by Bob_in_Niagara on Nov 2, 2002 13:26:12 GMT -5
There is no way we let Lindsay go. He is too vauluable a commodity for this team. He hits, he bumps, he grinds and he scores once in a while.
Audette should be worried. He will be out of here soon unless he changes his attitude.
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Post by PTH on Nov 2, 2002 13:30:47 GMT -5
There is no way we let Lindsay go. He is too vauluable a commodity for this team. He hits, he bumps, he grinds and he scores once in a while. Audette should be worried. He will be out of here soon unless he changes his attitude. Lindsay is useful, but also eminently replaceable - we got him off waivers in the first place, after all. Don't confuse usefulness with value.... Just look at Hackett - he's terrifically useful, yet has limited value.
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Post by Bob_in_Niagara on Nov 2, 2002 13:51:50 GMT -5
I agree he may be replaceable, but, right now, he is exactly the kind of player we need more of. It doesn't matter how we got him, but, he fills a void on this team. We have too many soft players and not enough physical ones. This is why we picked up Blouin again.
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Post by larek on Nov 2, 2002 14:32:50 GMT -5
I dont know what game youve been watching but Lindsay has done nothing for this team ,he doesnt score,He doesnt hit he doesnt fight,he has not done anything for this team,time to ket him go,just waisting a space in the starting lineup!
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Post by Bob_in_Niagara on Nov 2, 2002 15:09:26 GMT -5
I don't know which game you've been watching, but, if you can remember last year's playoffs, he was consistently the best bodychecker we had.
He is not ever going to get you 50 goals or anything, but, he gives everything he has; which is a lot more than a lot of these guys can say. We are much too soft and need to get tougher, bigger and stronger. At least Lindsay is a presense out there, not a loafer, going through the motions.
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Post by zenseeker on Nov 2, 2002 15:45:35 GMT -5
I believe we need to move at least 3 players for 1. Some ideas are
player 1 -Hackett age 34- I have always been a fan, and he deserves to be the number 1 somewhere else
player 2- Audette age 33-Can be a gifted scorer, but is also small and soft. Presently he is really coming across as a cancer in the dressing room, and is lacking in the heart department.
player 3-Juneau age 34 or Dackell age 29- both responsible players who are excellent on PK and have some offensive upside. No physical presence with either, but both have heart. One of the two need to be moved to get Kilger the amount of ice time he deserves.
Player 4-Czerkawski age 31-Has great speed moves to be burn and a good shot. Plays soft hockey and only shows up once in awhile, and was whining lots when benched I guess he didn't see himself play before that.
Player 4-Perreault age 31- Excellent faceoff man with a nose for goal scoring. Does alot of floating lazy defensively. If traded need something solid in return.
Player 5- Brisebois age 31-Very good on PP and can make great passes. Not physical enough and makes mental lapses regularly. For me the final straw was when he just stood there after Mclaren impaled Zed, if there was a time to throw caution to the wind and get his hands dirty that was it. If allowed to be traded must get what we perceive to be a number 1 or 2 defenseman in return.
Player 6-Petrov age 31 - A greasy fast smallish player with scoring skills. He is a spunky little Saperlipopette always jumping up after getting nailed, and at least trying to lay the body on the opposition. He is a UFA i believe after this season.
also tradeable but have little value: lindsay, traverse, Quintal, MT, and what the hell AS he is just too damn conservative come on AS be pro-active
All of these players have reached or past there prime it's time to make the team younger and hungrier, lack of heart shouldn't be present on our beloved habs line-up. I know i place alot of value on the intangible heart issue, but i just can't stand guys that don't give it there all out there. They are getting paid to play hockey what else has to be said.
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 2, 2002 16:33:13 GMT -5
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folks...
BREEZY WILL NOT BE TRADED!!
Stop putting him in trade proposals because he ain't going anywhere! no trade clause+huge salary=he's staying in Montreal. Ditto for Perreault.
and right no way can we deal Juneau and Dackell. We need them in that defensive role.
As for Lindsay, larek and bob are talking about different games and both have points. Larek is right Lindsay has been invisible this year and Bob is right as Lindsay was good in the post season.
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Post by zenseeker on Nov 2, 2002 17:21:58 GMT -5
We have to make room somewhere. With the players we have now we are only going to get so far. Why can't you trade Dackell or Juneau? As i said they both do have positive impacts but Kilger deserves more icetime and Dackell and Juneau are not going to get any better. We have to get a better balance of age on our team we have too many guys past their prime. I firmly believe getting rid of some of these older players will make a huge difference in our team by the end of the season. The way it stands now if nothing changes this team will be very hard pressed to make the playoffs. Ohh and the breezy thing, it's not impossible to trade him, but your right either he doesn't allow the trade or no one wants him because of his alcohol induced contract.
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Post by UberCranky on Nov 2, 2002 17:23:09 GMT -5
Roster is overflowing with bodies?
Soylent Green Quintal and Audi and the problem inedibly disappears.
I would throw in Therrien but he is infected with a dangerous variant of Mad Cow disease. Yup, the CDC says that the highly infectious Mad Coaching disease is currently localized but it’s high mutation rate and contagious nature may cause it to evolve into Mad Managing disease.
Once it spreads that far then we are likely to have an epidemic of Mad Fans disease and then, God forbid, the dreaded Gone Mad Posters epidemic that may spell the end of civilization as we know it.
Now you see why burning Therrien over a pile of Penthouse Magazines can save our world?
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Post by Patty Roy on Nov 2, 2002 17:44:16 GMT -5
Let's hope AS doesn't mind losing a guy like Lindsay for nothing or trading Audette for a draft pick. When you have too much depth, it hurts you IMO. Too many unhappy palyers and Audette is one of them right now. Deal him for anything(except teams in our division).He's a problem child. I think that is the most likely scenario. When Quintal or Ribeiro (whoever is first) is ready to go, sent Lindsay down to the minors (no guarantee he will be claimed off waivers) and that opens a spot for the returnee. I also now fully expect Audette to be moved. If Audi is still in the teams plans, you sit him one night then play him on one of the top 2 lines the next night...sitting him in back to back games (and likely a 3rd tonight) means he's almost certainly on his way out, IMO. It's not like Savard to trade a guy like Audi for a pick or prospect, so maybe a 2 for 1 deal could be in the works that would see a body come back Montreal's way. When Souray is ready to go, i suspect that Hainsey will probably be sent back to Hamilton. Leaves us with something like this as a healthy lineup (assuming Audi is dealt for a pick/prospect)... Richard Zednik-Saku Koivu-Oleg Petrov Chad Kilger-Yanic Perreault-Mariusz Czerkawski Jan Bulis-Joe Juneau-Andreas Dackell Mike Ribeiro-Doug Gilmour-Randy McKay Sylvain Blouin Karl Dykhuis-Patrice Brisebois Andrei Markov-Craig Rivet Sheldon Souray-Stephane Quintal Patrick Traverse Jose Theodore Jeff Hackett Mathieu Garon
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 2, 2002 17:48:49 GMT -5
We have to make room somewhere. With the players we have now we are only going to get so far. Why can't you trade Dackell or Juneau? As i said they both do have positive impacts but Kilger deserves more icetime and Dackell and Juneau are not going to get any better. We have to get a better balance of age on our team we have too many guys past their prime. I firmly believe getting rid of some of these older players will make a huge difference in our team by the end of the season. The way it stands now if nothing changes this team will be very hard pressed to make the playoffs. Ohh and the breezy thing, it's not impossible to trade him, but your right either he doesn't allow the trade or no one wants him because of his alcohol induced contract. I agree we are old but IMO...these ''old'' players are not going anywhere: Breezy, Perreault, Quintal(salary), Juneau, Dackell and McKay The guy who could be dealt are the Petrov's, the Audette's, the Chow's, the Gilmour's (retirement) and of course Hackett...
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