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Post by legaspesien on Oct 31, 2002 17:54:38 GMT -5
I remember a deal by Houle. He sent Peter Popovic to the Rangers for a guy named Blouin. Is this person the same guy? Yes At the best he won't play more then 3 or 4 min per game...more playing time for the other one
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Post by Patty Roy on Oct 31, 2002 18:02:09 GMT -5
I heard Pierre Macguire comment on how good PJ Stock is looking these days. His point is well-taken. He may not be a true heavyweight, but he can sure handle himself, he's afraid of no one, he can play a bit, and his teammates love him. I was thinking the same thing the other day, but i think the thing with Stock is that in Montreal he was "the" guy and he obviously felt like he had to take on the oppositions heavyweights (McCarthy's ex...). IMO, Stock is a great energy player and as long as he's got help in the scrapping department (ie. he can stick with the middleweights, low end heavyweights) then he's great...unfortunately that wasn't the case during his brief stint with the Habs. As for Blouin...well my guess is that he could eventually take Bill Lindsay's roster spot, although with all these extra bodies around you've got to think that AS will eventually make a 2 for 1 deal or something along those lines...
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Oct 31, 2002 18:44:52 GMT -5
Yes At the best he won't play more then 3 or 4 min per game...more playing time for the other one Wrong! He will cost other players more than 3-4 mins of ice time. 3 mins. per game on the ice, ten mins. per game in the box, and thirty mins. per game in the infirmary getting stitched up after losing fights.
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Post by legaspesien on Oct 31, 2002 19:31:01 GMT -5
six-foot-two, 210-pound Blouin, who played five games for Montreal in 1998-99.
``We're aware of what the team needs and a guy like Sylvain fills that need,'' said coach Michel Therrien, who had Blouin on his junior team in Laval for three years in the early 1990s. ``He's big, he's tough and he looks after his team.''
Michel did not say if Blouin will be in the lineup when the Canadiens play the Hurricanes in Carolina on Friday night or the Maple Leafs in Toronto on Saturday night.
A need for muscle was apparent after defenceman Stephane Quintal tore ligaments in the middle finger of his right hand during a fight with Anaheim's Kevin Sawyer on Tuesday night — the first fight by a Montreal player this season.
Quintal was to be placed on the injured reserve list and will be out of action at least until the middle of next week.
That made an already-small team even smaller.
``I think my style will bring something to Montreal,'' Blouin said on a conference call from Minnesota. ``I know my role.
``I play physical. Sometimes just to have (an enforcer) on the bench can help. It can make the others feel more comfortable on the ice.''
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Post by UberCranky on Oct 31, 2002 20:25:03 GMT -5
Not sure I understand this one. As Marc says, where is he going to play? We already don't have enough room on the roster, and with Ribeiro close to coming back, that room gets even smaller. Is Savard planning on solving the goaltending problem within the next 2-3 weeks? Do they need an enforcer in Hamilton? Can't says I like it, based on first-impression, face value. Blouin isn't anything special, either as a player or a fighter, and while a 7th rounder is a low pick, Savard tends to deal an awful lot of picks, and in this case I don't think it was worth it. Might as well just have poached Mike Brown for free, really. Strange. Befuddling action? Or a scrambling reaction? Either way, a small but consistently troubling course taken many times by Savard. Plug in the mediocre at a low cost in the mistaken hope that it will hide the problem. Closer and closer the pendulum swings……….
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Post by seventeen on Oct 31, 2002 22:21:20 GMT -5
The good news for Savard is he still has 4 more picks from next year below the 4th round, that he can deal for more fringe players. That was another trend that bugs the heck out of me. I like stockpiling picks. The law of averages says that eventually you hit the jackpot with one of them. Instead, we like to throw them away.
Just read the Blouin played for MT in Laval, for 3 years. So who made this move, AS or MT?
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Nov 1, 2002 3:48:47 GMT -5
If a weak team like Minnesota doesn't want Blouin and a sharp guy like Lemaire doesn't want him, "What the heLL are we doing getting him?" Seventh rounders have produced as many good players as fourth and fifth rounders. What round was Luc obitaille drafted in?
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Nov 1, 2002 4:05:37 GMT -5
If a weak team like Minnesota doesn't want Blouin and a sharp guy like Lemaire doesn't want him, "What the heLL are we doing getting him?" Seventh rounders have produced as many good players as fourth and fifth rounders. What round was Luc obitaille drafted in? 1982 Fourth Round, Montreal selects the famous John DeVoe. 1982 Seventh Round, St. Louis selects Doug Gilmour.
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Post by zenseeker on Nov 1, 2002 5:40:45 GMT -5
He wouldn't be my choice of an enforcer. Yet he did say he knew his role. Not knowing they role can make some enforcers less valuable than they should be.
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 1, 2002 6:45:45 GMT -5
If a weak team like Minnesota doesn't want Blouin and a sharp guy like Lemaire doesn't want him, "What the heLL are we doing getting him The Wild are amazing eh? I think they have an enforcer called Matt Johnson already...
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Post by clear observer on Nov 1, 2002 10:17:48 GMT -5
What a waste of a 7th rounder.
C'mon AS...wake the hell up!
CO
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Post by Doc Holliday on Nov 1, 2002 12:27:48 GMT -5
Why Pick up an NHL salary and lose a pick (I know it's low) for a guy who at 28 has never been able to hold a goon spot on an NHL team, not even on an expansion one... Whatever Blouin does can be done by O'dette with the bonus that O'dette can play defense and offense. Not a good time to be around this team when your name starts with "ho" and finishes in "dette" !!! That is such a typical Savard move: can't really say it's a bad trade but it adresses nothing and clogs the roster... That is just like picking up Lindsay instead of promoting Ward...
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Post by BadCompany on Nov 1, 2002 13:25:04 GMT -5
Did somebody mention Darren Langdon in this thread? The Canes just traded he, and Marek Malik to the Vancouver Canucks for Harold Druken and Jan Hvlac.
So I guess that's one less dance partner for our mediocre-nobody-of-the-week.
Stock for Odjick. Sign Simpson, lose Simpson on waivers. Sign O'Dette, release Belanger. Trade for Blouin.
*shrug*
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 1, 2002 16:25:58 GMT -5
So I guess that's one less dance partner for our mediocre-nobody-of-the-week. Stock for Odjick. Sign Simpson, lose Simpson on waivers. Sign O'Dette, release Belanger. Trade for Blouin. *shrug* Stock and a 6th in the great 2001 draft for Odjick. Why trade assets for a type of player you can sign for nothing in the off-season or call up from the farm or just pick up on waivers
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Post by PTH on Nov 1, 2002 17:15:55 GMT -5
Just read the Blouin played for MT in Laval, for 3 years. So who made this move, AS or MT? AS probably did like he did for Mike Brown and left the choice up to MT. Since MT knows Blouin somewhat, this time around he decided to grab him. I'm not saying it's a good or a bad decision on MTs part though, but it just shouldn't be his to make. Looks to me like AS isn't doing his job, and is leaving the tough calls to his coach, whereas it's the GMs job to know players around the league. I don't really like or particularly dislike MT, but I'm starting, slowly, to really dislike AS. I've been sceptical for a while, and now I'm realising I have every reason to be concerned about this assistant coach filling in as a GM.
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Post by PTH on Nov 1, 2002 17:16:09 GMT -5
Stock and a 6th in the great 2001 draft for Odjick. Why trade assets for a type of player you can sign for nothing in the off-season or call up from the farm or just pick up on waivers It's more a case of a 6th for Odjick + having the other team take on Stock's contract. Stock was on waivers within weeks....
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Post by legaspesien on Nov 1, 2002 17:27:39 GMT -5
Langdon and Simon demanded for trade once they heard Blouin is coming to Montreal
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 1, 2002 18:46:32 GMT -5
It's more a case of a 6th for Odjick + having the other team take on Stock's contract. Stock was on waivers within weeks.... and who is in the NHL now?
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Post by jkr on Nov 1, 2002 19:32:56 GMT -5
I'm not saying it's a good or a bad decision on MTs part though, but it just shouldn't be his to make. Looks to me like AS isn't doing his job, and is leaving the tough calls to his coach, whereas it's the GMs job to know players around the league. . I'm not particularly happy about giving up a pick for this type of player. However, I can't agree with the characterization of Savard as a GM that lets his coach make personnel decisions. Choosing an enforcer is not what I would call a tough decision. We simply don't know how much consulting there is between Savard & Therrien or any other GM/coach tandem in the league. Anyone will have a hard time convincing me that it does not go on all over the NHL - at least for deals of this magnitude.
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Post by PTH on Nov 1, 2002 20:25:30 GMT -5
and who is in the NHL now? Who cares ? Stock was dumped by the Flyers, and we dumped Odjick. The only asset still worth anything to either team now is that 6th round pick, or rather whoever was picked with it.
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Post by PTH on Nov 1, 2002 20:28:02 GMT -5
I'm not particularly happy about giving up a pick for this type of player. However, I can't agree with the characterization of Savard as a GM that lets his coach make personnel decisions. Choosing an enforcer is not what I would call a tough decision. We simply don't know how much consulting there is between Savard & Therrien or any other GM/coach tandem in the league. Anyone will have a hard time convincing me that it does not go on all over the NHL - at least for deals of this magnitude. JKR, you might have missed it, but there was an article in LaPresse (please take my word for it and don't make me dig it up) where MT clearly states, "AS asked me if I wanted Mike Brown and since I don't know the guy, I said nah" - AS put the decision to MT. No paraphrasing, no beating around the bush, wasn't even the main focus of the article. Still, a good goes on waivers and we don't care cause our coach doesn't know the guy, and a former player of our coach goes on to be traded here - doesn't look at all like a coincidence to me.
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Post by MPLABBE on Nov 1, 2002 20:40:21 GMT -5
Who cares ? Stock was dumped by the Flyers, and we dumped Odjick. The only asset still worth anything to either team now is that 6th round pick, or rather whoever was picked with it. yup you said it...who cares... Let's end this discussion now
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