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Post by MPLABBE on Oct 30, 2002 12:41:51 GMT -5
They have lost Allison for 2 months and maybe more, Palffy is hurting, Deadmarsh has always been fragile. All of a sudden, their offence is in shambles and their season in the tight Western conference could be doomed. So...wonder if AS will offer up one of our small, skilled forwards to the Kings? BC mentionned Eric Rasmussen in the other thread and I would really like to see a guy like this added to our team. Here is his profile. Thoughts?
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Post by MPLABBE on Oct 30, 2002 12:50:31 GMT -5
check that on Allison, he has a torn ACL and may have a torn MCL. Most likely done for the year.
The sound you just heard was the Kings season going into the dumpster
Palffy may also need surgery to fix his groin/hamstring
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Post by legaspesien on Oct 30, 2002 14:21:13 GMT -5
Los Angeles DOB: Sat, Jan 19, 1974 Age: 28 POB: Montreal, Que., Canada HT: 6-1 WT: 205 Shoots: R NHL Seasons: 9 Drafted by St. Louis in 1992 (7/158).
Preseason projected role Laperriere will continue to be a major agitator and play an important defensive role for the Kings in 2002-03. Assets Is a very hard worker and earns a lot of respect in standing up for his teammates. Has strong forechecking and penalty-killing skills. Tends to rattle his opponents with his in-your-face attitude. Flaws Will never lead his team in scoring at the NHL level and is extremely limited on offense. Tends to motivate the opposition too much with his antics. Career potential Laperriere is a top-notch penalty-killer and defensive specialist. He's also become a very valuable commodity to the Kings because of his leadership qualities.
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Post by Ryan on Oct 30, 2002 14:21:38 GMT -5
I don't know about Rasmussen...to me that's just Jason Ward.
They've gotta be looking for some veteran scoring up front though...I wonder if they'd like Perreault back in the fold?
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Post by Psycorp on Oct 30, 2002 14:22:23 GMT -5
Hey MP, you may be right, Especially since we lost Quintal as a fighter (can still play but not fight) Souray gone untill december, Quintal for 2 month Who are left to fight? -Rivet did fight once last year -Kilger did fight once too ... Lindsay is now our only fighter and he's only an occasionnal middleweight... man, we really look like Ottawa two years ago, with even less talent Rasmussen interest me, he's a kilger clone Don't forget Ryann Flinn 6'4" LW 22y/o Here's what the sport forecaster say about him (i know not the best hockey bible) " The 6'4" 235-pound mountain of a man split his first pro campaign between the ECHL, AHL and NHL, after spending five seasons in the "Q". Flinn is a monster enforcer but also has upside as a regular-shift player. He'll battle fellow youngster Kip Brennan in training camp for a chance to unseat incumbent Ken Belanger on the Kings roster.
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Post by Ryan on Oct 30, 2002 14:24:46 GMT -5
Flinn should be a good NHL heavyweight for years...but the Laperriere deal sounds even better.
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Post by Psycorp on Oct 30, 2002 14:28:45 GMT -5
I know Laperriere is the most interesting but he's really important to the Kings, it will be very difficult to pry him away....
He a leader, good defensively, defend his teamates etc...very difficult indeed
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Post by The Habitual Fan on Oct 30, 2002 14:29:07 GMT -5
It could be a time for Montreal to move one of the smaller forwards such as Audette or Petrov and make some room up front. Rasmussen could become a future 2-3 line centre or hopefully converted to left wing with size. LA may also be interested in a package of players such Audette, Ward and a 3rd for Jared Aulin and a 5th. Montreal has depth at forward and LA needs help up front now. With Ribero getting ready to come back and Hossa on the farm, Aulin could play another year in Hamilton.
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Post by Andrew on Oct 30, 2002 14:59:49 GMT -5
*Cry* I was so happy at having drafted both Allison and Ziggy in my pool. I was sure they were going to tear it up. Oh well, I guess I still have a shot at the points per game consolation prize.
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Post by Psycorp on Oct 30, 2002 16:10:26 GMT -5
*Cry* I was so happy at having drafted both Allison and Ziggy in my pool. I was sure they were going to tear it up. Oh well, I guess I still have a shot at the points per game consolation prize. Yeah tell me about it, i got them in the habsrus pool, look like i won't stay first long
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Post by MPLABBE on Oct 30, 2002 16:53:29 GMT -5
Hey MP, you may be right, Especially since we lost Quintal as a fighter (can still play but not fight) Souray gone untill december, Quintal for 2 month Who are left to fight? -Rivet did fight once last year -Kilger did fight once too ... Lindsay is now our only fighter and he's only an occasionnal middleweight... man, we really look like Ottawa two years ago, with even less talent Rasmussen interest me, he's a kilger clone Don't forget Ryann Flinn 6'4" LW 22y/o Here's what the sport forecaster say about him (i know not the best hockey bible) " The 6'4" 235-pound mountain of a man split his first pro campaign between the ECHL, AHL and NHL, after spending five seasons in the "Q". Flinn is a monster enforcer but also has upside as a regular-shift player. He'll battle fellow youngster Kip Brennan in training camp for a chance to unseat incumbent Ken Belanger on the Kings roster. Flynn and Brennan aren't on their roster(Ken Belanger is there instead) so I am sure we could get them. But IMO, our problem is not the enforcer. It's the lack of core players who bring toughness. It's EXACTLY like the Sens 2-3-4 years ago WITHOUT the youth and pure skill...oh yey! Now let's go out and add a Chara, a Fisher, a Volchenkov and a Neil to our lineup...
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Post by MPLABBE on Oct 30, 2002 16:55:23 GMT -5
It could be a time for Montreal to move one of the smaller forwards such as Audette or Petrov and make some room up front. Rasmussen could become a future 2-3 line centre or hopefully converted to left wing with size. LA may also be interested in a package of players such Audette, Ward and a 3rd for Jared Aulin and a 5th. Montreal has depth at forward and LA needs help up front now. With Ribero getting ready to come back and Hossa on the farm, Aulin could play another year in Hamilton. Forget about Aulin or Cammaleri or Frolov. They are not going to be traded by the Kings. Rasmussen has always had alot of talent(that's why he was a top 10 pick). He's just been stuck on 4th lines all his life and hasn't been able to develop his skills. Put him in a scoring line and he could become the power forward we need. Maybe not a 40 goal scorer, but 20 goal scorer.
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Post by legaspesien on Oct 30, 2002 17:57:19 GMT -5
Rasmussen has always had alot of talent(that's why he was a top 10 pick). He's just been stuck on 4th lines all his life and hasn't been able to develop his skills. Put him in a scoring line and he could become the power forward we need. Maybe not a 40 goal scorer, but 20 goal scorer. Is he Marc an upgrade on Jason Ward I just think it's a clone of it...we have to mutch of that...we have to upgrade on the 1st and 2nd line not on the 4th...Kilger could easely do the same
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Post by MPLABBE on Oct 30, 2002 18:20:50 GMT -5
Is he Marc an upgrade on Jason Ward I just think it's a clone of it...we have to mutch of that...we have to upgrade on the 1st and 2nd line not on the 4th...Kilger could easely do the same Is he an upgrade over Ward? I'll put it this way: who is in the NHL right now? Here is what the forecaster says about him: GOING INTO CAMP: Traded to Los Angeles, Rasmussen will head to training camp with a clean slate. He gives his new team plenty of options. ASSETS: Has the size teams crave for the center position, though he can also play effectively on the wing. Is developing both his hitting game and scoring touch. FLAWS: Needs refinement in all areas of the game. Lacks confidence in his talent level. Should do more with his overall package. CAREER POTENTIAL: The jury is still out as to whether Rasmussen will ever be able to live up to expectations. While the Sabres have given up on him, the Kings are hoping he finally puts it all together. The 6-3, 208-pounder remains a sleeper wrapped in an enigma.Sounds like Kilger before he came here, eh? With a little confidence, more ice time, maybe he could bust out? In 2000-01, he scored 12 goals playing on a 3rd-4th line in Buffalo Playing LW on a 2nd line with some talent, it's very possible he could help us IMO.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Oct 30, 2002 19:49:28 GMT -5
Let's not assume that LA is shortsighted and stupid. They just lost Allison and they also know that they can't properly replace him with a bunch of Montreal's smurfs. What's in it for them to want to help us? Short term filler? 30 somethings? A couple of goals.
We would be just as shortsighted if we traded Hackett away today. We would be dreadful 1-6-2 instead of mediocre 3-3 3.
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Post by Newsy Lalonde on Oct 30, 2002 20:24:23 GMT -5
My first trade right now would be to get an experience defensive d-man who could block shots and is big and tough. Wow their like a dime a dozen right?Yeah right! We must strengthen our "D". Changing of the guard to help with up and comers. Protected players of mine : Koivu, Zednick, Theo, Hainsey, Hossa, Komi, Balej, Rivet, Souray, Plekanec, Kilger, Perreault, Markov Available : Chow(LA??), Audie, Bulis, Gilmour, Juneau, Lindsay, Brisebois(no trade clause??), Petrov, McKay, Ribeiro, Garon On the block (ie:get rid of): Hackett(boo-hoo UFA next summer), Quintal, Dykhuis, Ward, Ojick, Dackell, Offensively I believe our biggest prob is our coaching staff and lack of size. Chow-Koivu-Mckay Gilmour-Perreault-Kilger Bulis-Juneau-Lindsay(Petrov) O'Dette-Ribeiro-Hossa (Audie) Brisebois-Souray(Bouillon) - 20-25 min.of icetime Rivet-Markov - 18-20 min. of icetime Dykhuis-Hainsey (Quintal) - 10 min. of icetime Theo Hackett (#!) Dackell & Garon dealt???
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Post by Vinna on Oct 30, 2002 20:32:31 GMT -5
Does Breezy still have a no trade clause? Does anyone know for sure? Like CO says...Pound for pound, dollar for dollar Briesbois is the biggest wussy that has ever played in the NHL. And I tend to agree. Perreault is a close second IMO.
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Post by Newsy Lalonde on Oct 30, 2002 20:38:29 GMT -5
Your right Vinna but................Breezy is our best d-man right now. Holly God did I just say that. Unfortunately I did and he is our best d-man without a doubt in my mind he is. #2 defenseman is Rivet after that I'll say Souray(and he hasn't played) cause the rest just plain old suck right now. Perreault is a person hearing footsteps all the time but he wins faceoffs and scores goals that puts him up there with Koivu and Zednick.
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Post by seventeen on Oct 30, 2002 20:46:10 GMT -5
The guy I've always been reminded of when I see Rasmussen is John Leclair before he broke out and started scoring tons of goals. Big guy...very strong (strength always intrigues me because so much derives from it) and a pretty good skater. A Ward clone? Hardly. Much bigger, much better skater. Need any more backup, Marc?
Laperriere would be good, but LA isn't likely to move such an important role player.
I still like Atlanta as a trading partner because they need goaltending big time. We just have to cross our fingers and hope Theo rights himself.
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Post by MPLABBE on Oct 30, 2002 20:52:49 GMT -5
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Post by Newsy Lalonde on Oct 30, 2002 21:23:54 GMT -5
Rasmussen 6-3 , 208, age- 25, 69 gp, 8-11-8, -1, 34 pim, Says in the forecaster that he takes too many nights off. $900,000.00 salary. Can he play defensively (-1 is pretty good)Can he pick it up offensively?
What about Norstrom 6-2, 220, age-30, 79gp, 2-9-11, -2, 38pim Forecaster says "plays with determination & consistency moves puck quickly....rarely makes mistakes." Scneider,Visnovsky,Modry, Norstrom & Miller there is some depth here.
A needs??? need a second line, offense, backup???
offer - Chow(score?), Petrov(speed), Dykhuis(d), Garon(futur #1) for Rasmussen, Norstrom
Alot well to get talent you must give talent.
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Post by MPLABBE on Oct 30, 2002 21:28:59 GMT -5
Forget about Norstrom. He's their captain.
BEFORE Allison got injured the Kings were looking for a forward to round out their 2nd line of Frolov/Smolinsky. They wanted another goal scorer. Now they'll need one even more IMO.
They have plenty of good role players as well; Belanger, Eloranta, Johnson, Laperriere, Rasmussen, Chartrand,etc. Nothing flasy but players who play hard, kill penalties, check well, play good defence,etc.
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Post by Vinna on Oct 30, 2002 23:18:46 GMT -5
Another good partner would be the Caps. I'm not sure how serious the injury is to Kolzig but Billington has been sucking the hind tit this year. Charpentier looked okay against the Bruins tonight, but he is very unproven. It wouldn't surprise me if they were looking to add a goalie and maybe even another forward to improve their top two lines. Jagr, Bondra, Lang, Zubrus, then what. Halpern and Konowalchuk look good on a line with Grier so I wouldnt imagine they would want to mess with that. I think Chris Simon would be a good fit and we have the assets in place to get him.
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Post by MPLABBE on Oct 31, 2002 7:18:25 GMT -5
Kolzig is only out one week, Vinna.
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Post by The Habitual Fan on Oct 31, 2002 17:40:24 GMT -5
Let's not assume that LA is shortsighted and stupid. They just lost Allison and they also know that they can't properly replace him with a bunch of Montreal's smurfs. What's in it for them to want to help us? Short term filler? 30 somethings? A couple of goals.
Its not that they would be short sighted or stupid, but in that conference a team like LA cannot afford to fall very far behind in the standings. Teams sometimes have to trade out of neccessity not stupidity.
I was going to use the example of Montreal trading a young Leclair because they needed a proven veteran scorer, but that boarders on stupidity itself, and they dont have Houle as GM. But I hope you understand the point. LA may be interested in giving up a player not on the roster to secure the lost offense. The Habs could move a forward or two and it would not make a major impact on the lineup, but they don't need another 30 yr old player needing ice time.
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Post by legaspesien on Oct 31, 2002 17:49:29 GMT -5
Was just currious what was LA fan thinking so I went to lets go king board and foud this analys from...
Waking up Allison Posted by: rinkrat by Zeke Quezada
Sometime around 4:30 A.M., I awoke to a pain in my forehead. Actually it was my entire head that ached. How is it that a season of high hopes and ultimate dreams can be precariously hanging on the words of a physician?
Essentially, if a knee is blown then skating is the last thing Jason Allison will be doing for the next six months. The Stanley Cup Finals are due to end around the sixth of June. If you do the math, April is about the time he could lace them up. The rub? The team has to make it the entire way without their top scorer.
The aches of a fan's worries, exhibited by me, over the course of an evening after a dominating win over the defenseless Thrashers. A mediocre player takes out Allison, early in the season, in a game that should be easily won.
So, what happens now? It’s quite clear that the Los Angeles Kings don’t board the place up and call it a season.
While the dominating player that Allison is will be sidelined; the burden falls on a cast of supporting characters. Who steps up? Do the words "Rookie of the Year" sound good? Alexander Frolov can be a star player. He seemed to be in charge for most of the game on Tuesday night. Perhaps it was an indication that he could garner a larger portion of the spotlight, or the fact that he is the real thing. Regardless of any player that immediately stepped it up, Frolov handled the puck well and clearly took charge.
The first line could possibly be tooled with a Smolinski or a Belanger. However, it might be time to gamble a bit and bring up Cammalleri and see if the young guns could deliver. Deadmarsh and a healthy Palffy could possibly coax the young Cammalleri into believing he can be a contributor in the NHL. If you watched him in the preseason, he did look quick and resourceful with the puck.
By keeping the second line intact you can count on Frolov, Belanger and Smolinski to continue to gel. Of course, the Kings could take a second chance with Heinze, who seems to be finding the twine again in Manchester. However, while he is indeed a veteran, can he be depended upon with the type of pressure to score that Andy will place upon him?
All these questions . . . Somehow a true hockey fan lives with these internal struggles on a daily basis. We all can coach from the driver's seat of our SUV. We can make line changes from our seats at Staples. Sometimes we feel like we could pull the trigger on a big trade from our living room, but realistically we’re just fanatics. That’s right, fanatics, the true meaning of the word fans.
So, if you woke up with beads of sweat on your forehead and a worried look on your face last night, guess what, your still a Kings fan. There is a bright side. There is no freaky duck skating around your home ice, just a cat standing on his head. Depth is a word you can use emphatically this year. Heart is a no brainer and there is still a lot of hockey to be played this season.
Don't lose any sleep over it.
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Post by MPLABBE on Oct 31, 2002 18:24:11 GMT -5
Gaspe...how did you find letsgokings.com? that's one hell of a board eh? 2000+ members
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