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Post by Chopper on Oct 30, 2002 11:30:58 GMT -5
I remember a crazed man going wild behind the bench, as his Granby Predators brought the memorial cup back to Quebec. The first time a team from Quebec had won the memorial cup since the days of Guy Lafleur. I remember how he used to be able to motivate his players, they gave 110% and pretty much everyone played physical. He continued these exploit with the baby habs. I loved to see him go berzerk behind the bench, a real players coach. Therrien even got into a brawl at a bar with some baby leafs, during the play-offs, spit his gum at I believe Marcel Cousineau, because he had shown up one of his players. When asked why he did it, he said he had to defend his players. When he got the call to coach the big team, I thought finally someone, will have a no-nonsense type attitude with the players, he'll spark them with his outbursts, bench them if their not trying, and get everyone to go out there and knock the other teams heads off. I thought he didn't seem much of a hockey man, but his motivation of the players alone should at least make the habs an exciting team to watch. It's that attitude and coaching style that got him to where he is, why did he change it?? The front office knew what kind of coach he was when they brought him in the organization, why did they try and change him? AS I'm sure hasn't helped MT's coaching style, by bringing in as many soft players as he could. Can anyone tell me where the real MT is??
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Post by MPLABBE on Oct 30, 2002 12:13:31 GMT -5
That was Lohny Bohonos no?
You raise a good point...I think we saw some of that ''emotion'' from MT in the playoffs, especially after the McLaren incident but aside from that, where has it been?
In his first year here, he did show alot more...remember the broken glass in the dressing room? the one he broke with his fist?
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Post by Boston_Habs on Oct 30, 2002 12:32:30 GMT -5
This IS the real MT. 16-18 yr old kids are pretty impressionable and it's not hard to see why they would respond to an emotional head coach who looks after his players. Getting into bar fights and all that may be considered "cool" by a bunch of kids.
The pros, on the other hand, particularly the veterans, are a different story. The kind of in-your-face rah-rah coaching style gets old pretty fast, and pretty soon the players tune you out entirely, which is what's happened to MT.
Simply put, the players don't respect Therrien, and it's impossible to motivate players if they don't respect you as a leader. MT has been exposed as having a pretty basic understanding of the game, where you win or lose more based on "how bad you want it" than by out-thinking your opponents. That's why this team has no system, no identity, and if not for spectacular goaltending in Theo and now Hackett, Therrien would have been fired a long time ago.
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Post by MPLABBE on Oct 30, 2002 12:35:19 GMT -5
Almost everyone around the Habs is saying the team has zero respect for MT. This dressing room is going to blow up sooner rather than later with him at the helm. I guarantee it.
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Post by HFTO on Oct 30, 2002 17:06:25 GMT -5
Nov 18th there will be a new coach behind the Canadiens bench! Thats my perdiction I've said it and I'm glad! HFTO
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Oct 30, 2002 20:36:55 GMT -5
When Tremblay and Vignault went they took Houle down with thim. If (when) Therrien goes, Savard should be climbing the Guilliotine with him, not waiting at the bottom holding the basket. (unless he's already going down on Georgeous George). Savard looks sooooo much better than Houle or Serge, but he isn't a Gainey or Lamourello. We are accepting mediocrity too easily. An exceptional year from Theodore led us to believe that Saint Savard was leading us out of the wasteland. In reality, the team is very ordinary when the goaltender is performing like Lance Burton, and oop when the shellshocked goaltending is just ordinary. If Theodore has an off night we lose by four or more. Tampa Bay and Atlanta have more star potential in their young players than we do. Outside of the goaltending our hope is two big defensemen who need time to become competent in their NHL roles before we can see if there will be any greatness. A smurf sniper with a limp wrist after a skate ran over it, a captain courageous who is an x-ray away from ending a career (pleeeze no!), a bunch of tiny overage forwards who have trouble seeing the coach over the tall boards unless he's standing on the bench wearing a flourescent yellow suit, a defense that can't clear the puck from the zone or clear a power forward from the slot (Defn. power forward is anyone over 5'10 and 170 lbs.), Brisebois who can't catch a playboy bunny in Hef's mansion with a tube of honey, Souray who can and did when he was healthy. I could go on and on but I'll leave some fodder for the other disgruntled habsRus fans.
How about trading Chouinard for Iginla. Then we coald all watch Therrien bench Iginla for half the season while he plays Traverse as his 11th defenseman.
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Post by JohnnyVerdun on Oct 30, 2002 21:09:43 GMT -5
Savard has made the following mistakes, in my view:
1. Acquiring 2 natural right wingers like Czerkawski and Audette for a lineup already on the soft side.
Exit strategy: Trade Audette.
2. Taking Patrick Traverse for Eric Weinrich.
Exit strategy: Get Pat to do so some landscaping around the house.
3. Savage for Berezin.
Exit strategy: Already achieved. Berezin was traded.
The good news is that the farm is better-stocked and the team will get younger and more competitive over the next two years. I admit to getting a little restless myself, but the overall strategy has been a good one and we're less than a year and a bit away from the transition. Audette, Gilmour, Quintal, Lindsay, Hackett and one or two others will be gone. Hainsey, Komisarek, Hossa, Balej (I hope) and perhaps one or two others will step up.
We just need a solid centerman and a big winger to complete the picture for October 2004. Imagine just two more players up front, combined with our youth. Take Chris Gratton and Scott Thornton, for example:
Zednik/Koivu/Czerkawski Bulis/C. Gratton/Thornton Kilger/Juneau/Dackell Hossa/Plekanec/Mckay
Just as an example. Gone are Gilmour, Perreault, Audette and Petrov. Balej would be the 13th forward, a goal-scorer in the making.
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Post by MPLABBE on Oct 30, 2002 21:25:39 GMT -5
JV that would be all fine and dandy.... but... -this franchise, ever since I have been a fan, has NEVER trusted kids unless they HAD to. Like when injuries hit or the kids simply showed they had to stay in the lineup on a nightly basis. It's like the Habs are just so scared to use them. They'll prefer playing a mediocre veteran instead. I seriously doubt 3 or 4 of them in one seasons -who will want Audette? Will Q-ball do the right thing and retire? -Will AS wake up and smell the coffee and realise this team needs more Gratton's(Chris) and Thornton's of this world(nice trade Reggie ) and NOT MORE SMURFS!! I know most of you will say ''it's obvious...he should know this''...well, it was obvious last summer and all he did was another softie to the group of top 6 forwards. Like you said, no need to panic, we are on the right track, but you have to wonder with this franchise sometimes...
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Post by hersh14 on Oct 30, 2002 21:57:42 GMT -5
We had a great emotional coach - Pat Burns. He had strategy and emotion. MT has neither. His claim to fame is beating up on a baby Leaf in a bar - a disgrace. MT is and will be outcoached at every turn - he is the Reggie Houle of coaches. We need help - too bad Carbo skipped town for greener pastures.
Help is available - just ask Larry Robinson. He's a great Hab, and a competent coach to boot.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Oct 31, 2002 0:19:19 GMT -5
Savard has made the following mistakes, in my view: 1. Acquiring 2 natural right wingers like Czerkawski and Audette for a lineup already on the soft side. Exit strategy: Trade Audette. 2. Taking Patrick Traverse for Eric Weinrich. Exit strategy: Get Pat to do so some landscaping around the house. 3. Savage for Berezin. Exit strategy: Already achieved. Berezin was traded. The good news is that the farm is better-stocked and the team will get younger and more competitive over the next two years. I admit to getting a little restless myself, but the overall strategy has been a good one and we're less than a year and a bit away from the transition. Audette, Gilmour, Quintal, Lindsay, Hackett and one or two others will be gone. Hainsey, Komisarek, Hossa, Balej (I hope) and perhaps one or two others will step up. We just need a solid centerman and a big winger to complete the picture for October 2004. Imagine just two more players up front, combined with our youth. Take Chris Gratton and Scott Thornton, for example: Zednik/Koivu/Czerkawski Bulis/C. Gratton/Thornton Kilger/Juneau/Dackell Hossa/Plekanec/Mckay Just as an example. Gone are Gilmour, Perreault, Audette and Petrov. Balej would be the 13th forward, a goal-scorer in the making. I think that extending MTheaded's contract is a big mistake. Keeping him after last year is a big mistake. Keeping him till the end of last year was a big mistake. Not drafting Hudler will prove to be a big mistake. Berezin was a mistake and Czerk is a mistake. Aquiring a team of smurfs is a mistake too. Bringing in McKay and Lindsay, big guys who aren't good enough to get any ice time is a mistake. Lots of mistakes, but who's counting?
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