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Post by Viper on Oct 29, 2002 22:01:41 GMT -5
What a darn Joke I can't handle this same old crap anymore take the lead and sit around watching the opposition play., My post game thought is this team needs to find an Identity besides "we have good goalies" just call us the Montreal "don't worry we'll let you tie it ups" because we suck. Every one of our opponents in the future must feel fortunate they are guaranteed a point
How sad.
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Post by MPLABBE on Oct 29, 2002 22:06:07 GMT -5
lol! too funny
What is sad IS we did a play decent 3rd period for once. Much better than the 2nd.
But this team blows so many leads it's maddening....chockers
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Post by Viper on Oct 29, 2002 22:12:39 GMT -5
The Scary part MP is i'm serious this is absolutley rediculous getting outshot night after night after night. No visible system except the "Trough " as it was so well described. I can't take it anymore i'm almost ready to abort until MT get's fired or something drastic happen's because right now this team is simply a one man show.
Whichever goalie has the hot hand better bail us out because the rest of the team couldn't win if there freaking lives depended on it.
I never ever have been so Peeved about this club than i am right now the more i watch the more i realize something major needs to be done and fast.
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Post by UberCranky on Oct 29, 2002 22:19:58 GMT -5
Guy's I did not see the game but from what I gathered we sucked again. Did they use the infamous "trough" defense and transition game? Let me guess. YES.
Another game, another inch off the hair line.
How did Q-ball play? Did Therrein invent new lines every 6.53 seconds? Was the glass covered with rubber marks? Did the Zamboni only have to resurface the ice alonfg the boards? Am I getting lucky tonight?
Damn, this writing screen is enormous.......and it's white........hmmmm
Maybe I can skate on it?
Anyway, is anyone making a synopsis of the game?
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Post by MPLABBE on Oct 29, 2002 22:20:14 GMT -5
viper...sheesh relax...take a valium ;D
you should be used to it by now LOL it's been like that for the past 2 seasons
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Post by MPLABBE on Oct 29, 2002 22:21:29 GMT -5
Another game, another How did Q-ball play? Did Therrein invent new lines every 6.53 seconds? Was the glass covered with rubber marks? Did the Zamboni only have to resurface the ice alonfg the boards? Am I getting lucky tonight? ? Q ball was decent. Better than he has been in some games this year Ditto for Hainsey
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Post by Viper on Oct 29, 2002 23:21:29 GMT -5
viper...sheesh relax...take a valium ;D you should be used to it by now LOL it's been like that for the past 2 seasons that's the problem MP i got too damn comfortable with it but i now realize it sucks big time and is painful as hell to watch.
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Post by Vichab on Oct 30, 2002 2:14:25 GMT -5
I sort of agree with Viper. while i appreciate that the season is still young and we are at .500 it seems to me that we are seeing a bad pattern develop or perhaps stubbornly refuse to change. Being outplayed and considerably outshot in a given period if not game is troublesome. We let it go over the past 2 years because we had injuries so the style was get what you can as we couldn't expect to compete without a full roster. Well those days are hopoefully gone. We have fortunately avoided injuries so far and we have a huge payroll. there is absolutely no excuse to be outplayed, in particular on home ice by a sub par team like Anahiem.
We need a new coach who can bring in a system as we obviously don't have a workable one now. it's the same thing every game - rely on our goalies to keep us in the game, hope we get lucky and get a lead and then watch the onslaught as the other team has all sorts of chances and will tie the game if not win it unless the goalie stands on his head. It really is pathetic. A new coach would also make better use of the young talent we have. What MT is doing to Kilger, Bulis, Hainsey is criminal. i'll give him some credit for benching some of thew veterans but I think we got to give the youngins a chance.
This team will never amount to anything with MT. He simply doesn't get it and i fear that he is not only hampering our present team but may be compromising future teams. AS will have to move soon because if it is AS's position that the coach is ok then AS will have to answer why a payroll of 40+ million can't play .500. Gillette will be wondering pretty soon. Time to move AS. Your butt or MTs.
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Post by PTH on Oct 30, 2002 3:37:24 GMT -5
Lost points go both ways.
Will you factor in points we basically stole from other teams ? The 2 points from Ottawa come to mind....
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Post by Doc Holliday on Oct 30, 2002 8:02:52 GMT -5
Some observations:
Though he did get some points, Chow is not, IMO, a good complement at all to the Koivu/Zed duo who were waaaaaaaay less flashy last night. Their defensive zone play was plain horrible.
Bulis works hard, is rough, and pulls some interesting moves. Easily the best player last night. I keep my fingers crossed... He's the left winger Zed and Koivu need.
I caught Petrov staying on the ice too long a few time last night... He's not doing his line change properly at all and shaves ice time for teammates by deciding to double shift. Though he scored a goal, he's directly responsible for the Ducks second one. Giveaway galor as well. Not impressed by that line at all.
No comment can be made about out defensive zone play that hasn't made a dozen time. We almost never win one on one battles in our zone, we can't even physically handle Paul Karyia...
Anyone saw the Brisebois/Koivu scuffle ? They were caught by the camera yelling at each other face to face on the bench... Team unity ? Yessire.
Hackett was amazing. I can't believe no team are calling AS about him...
We are so incredibly lucky to play for .500 right now...
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Post by clear observer on Oct 30, 2002 8:08:02 GMT -5
Lost points go both ways. Will you factor in points we basically stole from other teams ? The 2 points from Ottawa come to mind.... See your point, however, blown points are blown points...regardless of how many the team has stolen. It's still frustrating. Grrrrr, CO
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Post by MPLABBE on Oct 30, 2002 8:30:28 GMT -5
Some observations: Anyone saw the Brisebois/Koivu scuffle ? They were caught by the camera yelling at each other face to face on the bench... Team unity ? Yessire. .. Wade started a thread on this--man both of them were getting at each other or what!
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Post by 24andcounting on Oct 30, 2002 10:06:20 GMT -5
Doc's dead on, at least in my opinion. Bulis could be a great fit on the Koivu-Zed line. Once in a while he'll pull a move that will make my jaw drop -- unfortunately, Kilger, Juneau or Dackell don't usually have the offensive flair or vision (or are just plain busy minding their checks) to pick up on the play.
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Post by The Habitual Fan on Oct 30, 2002 11:58:58 GMT -5
I have to totally agree with Viper. You keep watching this team and if after 2 years you cannot watch anymore being outshot every night. The tie against the Ducks was pure luck in that Chow's goal was nothing but fluke. They have tried to load the team with offensive players, the defense with a good mix of offense and defense players and top goaltending. Something is very wrong...either the defense is not getting the puck to the forwards or the forwards are not paying the price to set up in the offensive zone but this team should score goals. Maybe it is the forwards not playing a defensive game and allowing the other teams room to gain the defensive blue line, but whatever it is the coaching staff had better figure it out.
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Post by MPLABBE on Oct 30, 2002 12:31:46 GMT -5
Doc's dead on, at least in my opinion. Bulis could be a great fit on the Koivu-Zed line. Once in a while he'll pull a move that will make my jaw drop -- unfortunately, Kilger, Juneau or Dackell don't usually have the offensive flair or vision (or are just plain busy minding their checks) to pick up on the play. Problem is it screws up our lineup. Zednik has to go to RW to make that line click so 2 of Chow-Petrov-McKay-Dackell-Audette have to play LW
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Post by HFTO on Oct 30, 2002 17:13:43 GMT -5
PTH does have a point we also steal points in games we have no business winning, but three games all at home all late in the third period.With some focus the Habs are 6-3 and tied for the division lead. Doc you made a point about Petrov,he should have not been on the ice at the time of the last goal and besides giving up the puckhe didn't pick up the trailing man! Changes need to be made behind the bench first IMO,after playing a decent first and allowing only 6 shots they fall totally apart in the second and allow 17 to a team playing 3 in 4 nights!AS has to be proactive on this matter ASAP! HFTO
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Post by MPLABBE on Oct 30, 2002 17:24:54 GMT -5
what was Petrov doing on the ice with Juneau and Bulis?
Were we changing lines?
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Post by JacquesInFL on Oct 30, 2002 18:18:10 GMT -5
Petrov is a good team guy, but this unscripted extended shift is bad habit like Doc says and it is hard to justify unless you are Forsberg or Federov type player. I also wonder about the even strength prowess of Gilmour, Perreault and Petrov. Gilmour was not very effective at LW in Buffalo. Too many smallish, offensive centres that cannot or will not play 4th line: the lingering headache for whoever is coaching this club (at the moment, I think no one is coaching).
Marc, I did not see the game but I thought I heard Bulis could not get on the ice because Oleg was still on the ice. By the way, Bulis is skating end to end with purpose. He has hasn't scored a lot of goals but let's remember his linemates are defense-first. For me, Bulis should get a look on the 2nd PP unit because his puck handling, hands and shot are at least as good as Petrov.
Friday and Saturday are looming...
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Post by MPLABBE on Oct 30, 2002 18:22:04 GMT -5
Marc, I did not see the game but I thought I heard Bulis could not get on the ice because Oleg was still on the ice. By the way, Bulis is skating end to end with purpose. He has hasn't scored a lot of goals but let's remember his linemates are defense-first. For me, Bulis should get a look on the 2nd PP unit because his puck handling, hands and shot are at least as good as Petrov. Bulis was on the ice. Ditto for Juneau. Petrov was there instead of Dackell.
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Post by JFM on Oct 30, 2002 19:14:11 GMT -5
I have to , in principle, disagree with the blown points complaint. Although last night was the third 3rd period lead blown, I have to say that in two of those, (Toronto & Anaheim) they had no business having a lead in the first place. IMO, the Penguins game is the only game where they gave away a point. Just my two cents...
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